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I have been gaming using a GTX 750 for more than 2 years now, mainly because I am limited by the 75W power supply cause I have a stock Dell PC and it has no 6 pin plug. Now though, I'm wondering if even moving up to the low-power GTX 950 makes sense. And so, I was thinking...maybe I could try getting the GTX 960 right away. Even the next generation low-power card would perform at around the levels a GTX 960 does, so I figured, why wait. Only thing is, I have never really tweaked with my PC hardware before, except for popping in the GTX 750 a couple of years ago. So my question is, how easy is it to replace the power supply? Do you need to take out the motherboard etc? I have an Inspiron 660. The inside pretty much looks like this: http://i42.tinypic.com/2144k5i.jpg Thanks! PS: Also, assuming I were to get a GTX 960 from EVGA, what is the advantage of a 2fan model over a 1fan model? I'm looking at the GTX 960 SC 4GB since it seems reasonably priced. I'm just afraid if 1fan may fry this card too fast or make my PC too hot (I don't plan to OC the card myself, just the factory OC).
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 07:40:48
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I fit a full sized 960 ftw and corsair cx850m in a xps 8700 tower
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 07:44:45
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You should check all the cables from the PSU: Where do they go to. Is anything "proprietary" (plugs that only Dell uses). From the picture itself it seems like a normal ATX with a 4-pin and 24-pin for the mainboard. That should easily be replaceable. 2 fans should work quieter and will offer a 0rpm mode in idle.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 07:46:37
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Replacing the ATX power supply in your PC is easy..The procedure is described in your motherboard manual and there's an instructional video here..You don't have to remove the motherboard or anything..The different versions/descriptions/specifications of the GTX 960 can be found here..The HSF/Blower style cooler exhausts heat out of the rear of the card/PC case while the ACX style coolers exhaust some heat inside your PC case, maybe making it necessary to to add more/better fans for cooling inside the case, but maybe not, you won't know until installed..Hope that helps.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 07:59:09
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bob16314 Replacing the ATX power supply in your PC is easy..The procedure is described in your motherboard manual and there's an instructional video here..You don't have to remove the motherboard or anything..The different versions/descriptions/specifications of the GTX 960 can be found here..The HSF/Blower style cooler exhausts heat out of the rear of the card/PC case while the ACX style coolers exhaust some heat inside your PC case, maybe making it necessary to to add more/better fans for cooling inside the case, but maybe not, you won't know until installed..Hope that helps.
How much more heaty will the single-fan SC version be compared to the dual-fan SSC?
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 08:17:51
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Also, price aside, what is the drawback of getting the 960 SC 1-fan, and what is the drawback of getting the 960SSC 2-fan? In terms of temps and noise mainly, but other aspects too (such as lifespan).
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 08:20:09
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I am pretty sure, that the 2 fan version is quieter. The amount of heat generated should be the same, but the one fan version will exhaust hotter air.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 08:43:24
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Dschijn I am pretty sure, that the 2 fan version is quieter. The amount of heat generated should be the same, but the one fan version will exhaust hotter air.
If you have good fans in your case, then it's a non issue whichever way you go. However, if you get the ACX one, then you cannot put a hybrid kit or watercooling kit on it, or do any real physical customizations. You are stuck with the ACX shroud should you choose to buy the ACX card. To EVGA techs: If you decide to do the ACX version for Pascal, consider offering an EVGA watercooling kit for these cards. Your market values will increase.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 08:50:17
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himmatsj How much more heaty will the single-fan SC version be compared to the dual-fan SSC?
Hard to say about the heat..The Inspiron 660 has much less-than-stellar case ventilation, looks like only one rinky-dink little exhaust fan in the back and there doesn't appear to be anyplace to mount up another fan from what I can tell..That being the situation, the HSF/Blower style card might be the better choice because the heat gets blown out the back, otherwise heat might become an issue..The 2-fan ACX models are more high performance and generally throw out more heat into your case than a 1-fan ACX model..The ACX cooler fan would probably be louder due to heat generated inside the case because it's trying harder to keep itself cool using it's own hotter air..But then again, if your GTX 750 with ACX cooling wasn't a problem, then a GTX 960 ACX might not be either..Hard to say, just my take on things.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 09:03:29
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Whic is the HSF/Blower style card? Can you point me to the model? They all seem same to me. If it is true that the 2-fan model generates more heat (seems likely due to the more aggressive OC), then I guess I will go with the 1-fan model. I was thinking the converse would apply though, since 2-fans cool better than 1. But I really don't know anything about this technical stuff.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 09:12:42
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himmatsj Whic is the HSF/Blower style card? Can you point me to the model?
HSF/Blower style is like the P/N: 04G-P4-3960-KR near the bottom of the page.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 09:15:50
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himmatsj Whic is the HSF/Blower style card? Can you point me to the model? They all seem same to me.
Firstly, there is not a blower style GTX 950 that I know of, but the 960 does. Blower style cards are the long cards with one fan. The diffrience between them and ACX cards are that blow style push air out the back of the card and out of the case. However, ACX cards blow their exhaust in the case and in small cases this can lead to overheating problems. So for small cases with limited air flow the blower style card is a necessity. I put a few below to guide you. GTX 960 - http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=04G-P4-3960-KR
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 09:18:11
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himmatsj Whic is the HSF/Blower style card? Can you point me to the model? They all seem same to me.
Firstly, there is not a blower style GTX 950 that I know of, but the 960 does. Blower style cards are the long cards with one fan. The diffrience between them and ACX cards are that blow style push air out the back of the card and out of the case. However, ACX cards blow their exhaust in the case and in small cases this can lead to overheating problems. So for small cases with limited air flow the blower style card is a necessity. I put a few below to guide you.
GTX 960 - http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=04G-P4-3960-KR
Agreed - I would just go right to a 960 and skip a 950.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 09:30:40
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himmatsj Whic is the HSF/Blower style card? Can you point me to the model? They all seem same to me.
Firstly, there is not a blower style GTX 950 that I know of, but the 960 does. Blower style cards are the long cards with one fan. The diffrience between them and ACX cards are that blow style push air out the back of the card and out of the case. However, ACX cards blow their exhaust in the case and in small cases this can lead to overheating problems. So for small cases with limited air flow the blower style card is a necessity. I put a few below to guide you.
GTX 960 - http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=04G-P4-3960-KR
Is my case considered a small case or medium/big? I linked image in OP. Also yes, if someone can guarantee me it is easy to replace the PSU in my stock PC, I will get the GTX 960 4GB right away along with an EVGA PSU. Speaking of which, can someone recommend me a decent and cheap PSU? Is the 430W EVGA PSU fine for the job?
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 09:35:00
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himmatsj Whic is the HSF/Blower style card? Can you point me to the model? They all seem same to me.
Firstly, there is not a blower style GTX 950 that I know of, but the 960 does. Blower style cards are the long cards with one fan. The diffrience between them and ACX cards are that blow style push air out the back of the card and out of the case. However, ACX cards blow their exhaust in the case and in small cases this can lead to overheating problems. So for small cases with limited air flow the blower style card is a necessity. I put a few below to guide you.
GTX 960 - http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=04G-P4-3960-KR
Is my case considered a small case or medium/big? I linked image in OP. Also yes, if someone can guarantee me it is easy to replace the PSU in my stock PC, I will get the GTX 960 4GB right away along with an EVGA PSU. Speaking of which, can someone recommend me a decent and cheap PSU? Is the 430W EVGA PSU fine for the job?
Do not get the 4gb. it's not even worth it; there is no comparison but the price ticket. Stick with 2gb. http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2684508/gtx-960-2gb-4gb.html
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 09:54:42
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himmatsj Whic is the HSF/Blower style card? Can you point me to the model? They all seem same to me.
Firstly, there is not a blower style GTX 950 that I know of, but the 960 does. Blower style cards are the long cards with one fan. The diffrience between them and ACX cards are that blow style push air out the back of the card and out of the case. However, ACX cards blow their exhaust in the case and in small cases this can lead to overheating problems. So for small cases with limited air flow the blower style card is a necessity. I put a few below to guide you.
GTX 960 - http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=04G-P4-3960-KR
Is my case considered a small case or medium/big? I linked image in OP. Also yes, if someone can guarantee me it is easy to replace the PSU in my stock PC, I will get the GTX 960 4GB right away along with an EVGA PSU. Speaking of which, can someone recommend me a decent and cheap PSU? Is the 430W EVGA PSU fine for the job?
Do not get the 4gb. it's not even worth it; there is no comparison but the price ticket. Stick with 2gb. http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2684508/gtx-960-2gb-4gb.html
What? I'm getting 4GB to ensure that even if I have to turn all other settings down to get 60fps, I can still game on Ultra or High texture settings at 1080p. It's worth it to me. If I get 2GB I'll fall behind the curve soon enough. Honestly, the main reason I want to upgrade from GTX 750 is because of 1GB GPU. On lowest textures game look ugly/blobby and stutter non-stop because of VRAM limit. Best I get 4GB once and not bother about it for the next few years.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:01:29
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himmatsj Whic is the HSF/Blower style card? Can you point me to the model? They all seem same to me.
Firstly, there is not a blower style GTX 950 that I know of, but the 960 does. Blower style cards are the long cards with one fan. The diffrience between them and ACX cards are that blow style push air out the back of the card and out of the case. However, ACX cards blow their exhaust in the case and in small cases this can lead to overheating problems. So for small cases with limited air flow the blower style card is a necessity. I put a few below to guide you.
GTX 960 - http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=04G-P4-3960-KR
Is my case considered a small case or medium/big? I linked image in OP. Also yes, if someone can guarantee me it is easy to replace the PSU in my stock PC, I will get the GTX 960 4GB right away along with an EVGA PSU. Speaking of which, can someone recommend me a decent and cheap PSU? Is the 430W EVGA PSU fine for the job?
Do not get the 4gb. it's not even worth it; there is no comparison but the price ticket. Stick with 2gb. http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2684508/gtx-960-2gb-4gb.html
What? I'm getting 4GB to ensure that even if I have to turn all other settings down to get 60fps, I can still game on Ultra or High texture settings at 1080p. It's worth it to me. If I get 2GB I'll fall behind the curve soon enough. Honestly, the main reason I want to upgrade from GTX 750 is because of 1GB GPU. On lowest textures game look ugly/blobby and stutter non-stop because of VRAM limit. Best I get 4GB once and not bother about it for the next few years.
a 4gb card does not have the bandwidth to be able to maintain the VRAM of a 4gb. It's basically a scam. the GTX 960 only has a 128bit bus and is not capable of going above 2gb of VRAM because of the 128bit. The 970/980 have a larger bandwidth rating so they can provide more VRAM to go through the bandwidth. 128bit just will not hit 4gb. There is no way. Sure, you can get another 960 later for SLI, for another $250, but why do that? Just get a 980 then. Good article of 960 SLI VS 980 ---> http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1538 comparisons of 960 2gb vs 960 4gb (there is none) ---> http://www.techspot.com/review/1114-vram-comparison-test/
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:09:38
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Is the guy above me serious or is he spreading misinformation? Assume a game takes 3GB of VRAM to play on Ultra textures and every other setting is on the Medium preset. Game plays at 60fps (with vsync, so no GPU bound scenario). Are you saying, with the 4GB GTX 960, there actually won't be 3GB of VRAM being used in this scenario? That it will cap out at 2GB, and I will suffer stutters?
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:11:25
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You will not be able to hit 3gb on the gtx 960 4gb card, while using a single card. You "might" be able to achieve the 4gb in SLI because there is a second card which can help power the 4gb. But, again, why would you do that if you can get a 980 which already beats 960 in SLI? The 960 only has a 128bit bus, which is the bandwidth which data goes through. Save some money and stick with the 2gb. I implore you. I mean you can do what you want, but there is no difference between the 2, maybe a 1-3fps difference.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:28:35
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I have removed the second post that was put in the PSU forum, and moved this post over. If you make a post and realize it should have been in another section, alert a mod to move it over rather than make a new post and start an entirely new conversation.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:29:17
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Hi, I disagree with stalinx20 as the 960 is capable of using all 4GB of VRAM, when it is needed. The amount of VRAM needed does really depend on the game and the resolution that you are running that game in. If you are planning on running a newer game at 1440p or higher, 2560x1440 or higher, resolution then yes, the 4GB card makes sense. If you are planning to run the game at 1080p or lower, 1920x1080 or lower, then the 2GB model should be plenty. Hopefully the above helps.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:31:11
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EVGATech_ChrisB Hi, I disagree with stalinx20 as the 960 is capable of using all 4GB of VRAM, when it is needed.
Yes, it "can"... But you did not specify what happens a single 960 4gb when it hits 4gb. Yes, it can hit 4gb when it's in SLI, but not by itself. there is no way possible while maintaining 60fps. NO WAY lol. IF it did, then it would make the 980s look totally bad. Come on Chris...
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
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himmatsj if someone can guarantee me it is easy to replace the PSU in my stock PC, I will get the GTX 960 4GB right away along with an EVGA PSU. Speaking of which, can someone recommend me a decent and cheap PSU? Is the 430W EVGA PSU fine for the job?
A 4GB GTX 960 w/HSF cooling would be a good choice, but that's up to you..I would personally grab a 4GB card either way..If you use the EVGA Power Meter for a recommended PSU, you'll recieve a 20% off discount code in your email that's good only in the EVGA U.S. Shopping Cart..A PSU with ECO Mode turns off the fan during low temperature (load) resulting in noiseless operation, which would be nice..The guaranteed easy physical replacement of the PSU is as I linked you to above from Dell..The guaranteed easy instructions for the connections are in the power supply manuals included with the units which are also found on the lower part of this page.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
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Hi himmatsj, I can confirm that changing the power supply on the computer that you pictures is pretty easy as the connections are standard. The only think that would need to be removed is the power supply and then you just replace each connector/wire with the similar type included with the new PSU. himmatsj I have been gaming using a GTX 750 for more than 2 years now, mainly because I am limited by the 75W power supply cause I have a stock Dell PC and it has no 6 pin plug. Now though, I'm wondering if even moving up to the low-power GTX 950 makes sense. And so, I was thinking...maybe I could try getting the GTX 960 right away. Even the next generation low-power card would perform at around the levels a GTX 960 does, so I figured, why wait. Only thing is, I have never really tweaked with my PC hardware before, except for popping in the GTX 750 a couple of years ago. So my question is, how easy is it to replace the power supply? Do you need to take out the motherboard etc? I have an Inspiron 660. The inside pretty much looks like this: http://i42.tinypic.com/2144k5i.jpg Thanks! PS: Also, assuming I were to get a GTX 960 from EVGA, what is the advantage of a 2fan model over a 1fan model? I'm looking at the GTX 960 SC 4GB since it seems reasonably priced. I'm just afraid if 1fan may fry this card too fast or make my PC too hot (I don't plan to OC the card myself, just the factory OC).
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:38:21
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EVGATech_ChrisB Hi, I disagree with stalinx20 as the 960 is capable of using all 4GB of VRAM, when it is needed. The amount of VRAM needed does really depend on the game and the resolution that you are running that game in. If you are planning on running a newer game at 1440p or higher, 2560x1440 or higher, resolution then yes, the 4GB card makes sense. If you are planning to run the game at 1080p or lower, 1920x1080 or lower, then the 2GB model should be plenty. Hopefully the above helps.
Would it be possible for you or another member to address specifically the scenario I raised above with regards to whether the GPU can use up more than 2GB at 1080p or not. Thanks! This post: http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2472770
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:40:16
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stalinx20, No one said that you are going to maintain 60FPS or higher on newer game, at higher resolutions, and high settings with the GTX 960 (Which is a great option and offers great performance for the price range). However will it use the extra VRAM when playing that game at a higher resolution? Yes it will and it will help over the 2GB model. If you are looking to run 4K and want the highest settings at a higher resolution with 60+FPS then a GTX 980 or higher is recommended, but that is not what everyone wants or needs for the games they play. stalinx20
EVGATech_ChrisB Hi, I disagree with stalinx20 as the 960 is capable of using all 4GB of VRAM, when it is needed.
Yes, it "can"... But you did not specify what happens a single 960 4gb when it hits 4gb. Yes, it can hit 4gb when it's in SLI, but not by itself. there is no way possible while maintaining 60fps. NO WAY lol. IF it did, then it would make the 980s look totally bad. Come on Chris...
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:41:01
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EVGATech_ChrisB Hi, I disagree with stalinx20 as the 960 is capable of using all 4GB of VRAM, when it is needed. The amount of VRAM needed does really depend on the game and the resolution that you are running that game in. If you are planning on running a newer game at 1440p or higher, 2560x1440 or higher, resolution then yes, the 4GB card makes sense. If you are planning to run the game at 1080p or lower, 1920x1080 or lower, then the 2GB model should be plenty. Hopefully the above helps.
Would it be possible for you or another member to address specifically the scenario I raised above with regards to whether the GPU can use up more than 2GB at 1080p or not. Thanks!
This post: http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2472770
YES, the card can. I also gave you a link to show the comparisons between the 2gb and 4gb cards, along with the FPS expectations you will get with 4gb. You will not maintain 60fps. http://www.techspot.com/review/1114-vram-comparison-test
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:43:15
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himmatsj Is the guy above me serious or is he spreading misinformation? Assume a game takes 3GB of VRAM to play on Ultra textures and every other setting is on the Medium preset. Game plays at 60fps (with vsync, so no GPU bound scenario). Are you saying, with the 4GB GTX 960, there actually won't be 3GB of VRAM being used in this scenario? That it will cap out at 2GB, and I will suffer stutters?
Looking at the chart below it show that the 2GB card out performs the 4GB card, I think this is mostly false. I would stick with cards that have 4GB or more, allow the room. It is the same when a user tells you that you only need 4GB of memory for Windows when the truth is you can barely get by with 8GB of memory. The second half is the computer that has 4GB of memory and 2GB are used for the integrated video card. Give yourself the extra room for growth.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:46:12
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Bcavenaugh, I agree, you might be able to get a 1-3 fps gain with the 4gb card, but nothing dramatic at all.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:49:48
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Guys, I am NOT speaking about performance gains. I know there are literally no performance gains 4GB vs 2GB.
And old benchmarks are not suitable, especially Crysis 3, to show importance of high VRAM.
What I want to know is, if I am hitting my VRAM limits in an open world game like Rise of the Tomb Raider at 1080p for 2Gb version which inevitably results in stutter due to lack of VRAM, will a 4GB model make a difference in this case?
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