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2020/07/08 19:50:05 (permalink)
Hi everyone. This is driving me crazy. I have the i9 10900k which has the internal gpu. I am trying to get my system to use my EVGA gpu but for whatever reason it will only show a picture from the DP port on the motherboard. Anyone have any ideas? I am using my old EVGA classified gtx590 which (while it is pci 2.0) be compatible with the pci 3.0 slot. I was waiting for the new Nvidia 3000 series to hit before upgrading. Does anyone have any ideas?
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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/09 04:25:39 (permalink)
Try disabling the igpu within the bios of your motherboard, and set the primary graphics to pci-e.

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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/09 14:49:48 (permalink)
Thanks so much. That was the issue but of course also uncovered that my GPU has failed too.
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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/09 15:58:24 (permalink)
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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/15 10:11:35 (permalink)
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Hi everyone. This is driving me crazy. I have the i9 10900k which has the internal gpu. I am trying to get my system to use my EVGA gpu but for whatever reason it will only show a picture from the DP port on the motherboard. Anyone have any ideas? I am using my old EVGA classified gtx590 which (while it is pci 2.0) be compatible with the pci 3.0 slot. I was waiting for the new Nvidia 3000 series to hit before upgrading. Does anyone have any ideas?

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Thanks so much. That was the issue but of course also uncovered that my GPU has failed too.




How do you know that the GPU failed?
It is not compatible with Z490.  
Z490 requires a GPU with a UEFI compatible BIOS.  I don't think GPUs from 2011 had those.  Maybe setting the BIOS to legacy mode might work?
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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/16 08:20:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2020/07/18 17:45:36
It's not much about GPU itself, but rather use of PCIe x16 to dual PCIe x8 bridge that GTX590 has. If that bridge is not initialized correctly then PCIe host will not even see the GPUs behind it.
Rather special case here, so direct connected old GPUs still should work fine in modern boards.

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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/16 08:32:04 (permalink)
Hi there

I was just using a single GPU so I didn’t have any SLI bridge setup. I was able to change things so that the the GPU was the display provider and it showed the picture during the bios boot. The odd thing is that it basically gave me the same issue as on my old build. The bios would display fine but once the system tries to start loading windows it all goes wrong. On my old system and new system, it would continually fail to load windows, reboot itself, and go into the windows didn’t start right repair screen. Strange thing is that it did this same thing on my old computer which was running the same hardware for 10 years without an issue. The moment I pulled the GPU out (something I couldn’t do in my old setup since my new processor has built in intel graphics) and reset it back to the processor intel graphics also being available as the GPU, windows boots fine. Even before when i initially built this pc and it had the GPU attached but not driving it, the GPU gave windows issues with drivers and giving a failure message when I tried to install the chipset software which all went away when I pulled the GPU out. As far as I can tell, the GPU is somehow stopping windows from loading in two systems which leads me to believe it has failed.
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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/16 09:55:13 (permalink)
590 is not a single GPU, it's two cards in SLI on one PCB.

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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/16 13:22:51 (permalink)
Ok maybe we are talking in circles here. I have one physical gtx590 Evga classified card. It is the single card that I have been using for the past 10 years or so. I don’t have two physical cards. There might be multiple processors within that single card but still just one card.
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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/17 23:06:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2020/07/18 17:47:23
Hello,
This may help you out if you're still having issues. I recently purchased the Z490 FTW Mobo with i9 - 10900k CPU and had issued with my EVGA 1070 FTW GPU. Turns out you need to change your CSM/UEFI settings to legacy for PCI. To accomplish this follow this guide:
 
-Remove any and all GPU's
-Plug in DP/HDMI cord directly into the MOBO
-Enter BIOS
-Select 'Boot' tab on the top
-Select 'CSM Configuration' near the bottom
-Under 'PCI Devices' Select 'Legacy'
-Install and plug in DP/HDMI cord(s) into the GPU(s)
-Enjoy
 
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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/18 06:54:16 (permalink)
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Ok maybe we are talking in circles here. I have one physical gtx590 Evga classified card. It is the single card that I have been using for the past 10 years or so. I don’t have two physical cards. There might be multiple processors within that single card but still just one card.



Here is a picture of your card without the Fan Shroud and Heatsink.

 
It has 2 GPU's on it and it's ran in SLI internally on the GPU via the PLX switch. You have a very rare card, but also an outdated one. It's very possible you need to take it apart, reapply thermal paste and any thermal pads. The GTX 500 series stuff was great for it's time but not really built to last, they were plagued with heat issues that caused degradation to the GPU where you run into a vicious cycle of needing more voltage to the GPU to keep it going at stock speeds. If you just need something to hold you over until the next generation, I would recommend a GTX 16 series card.

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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/18 07:47:22 (permalink)
rzande1
Ok maybe we are talking in circles here. I have one physical gtx590 Evga classified card. It is the single card that I have been using for the past 10 years or so. I don’t have two physical cards. There might be multiple processors within that single card but still just one card.

Yes, but read again what he said.
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It's not much about GPU itself, but rather use of PCIe x16 to dual PCIe x8 bridge that GTX590 has. If that bridge is not initialized correctly then PCIe host will not even see the GPUs behind it.
Rather special case here, so direct connected old GPUs still should work fine in modern boards.

He knows what he is talking about. He used to work as an electrical engineer for EVGA designing EVGA video cards.

What he is saying is that GTX 590 video card has two GPUs on it. The PCI-E x16 slot communicates firstly with the PLX bridge chip on the GTX 590 card. That PLX bridge chip, on the card, then sends the data to the two GPUs on the one card.

That bridge chip causes compatibility problems.

This part again:

Rather special case here, so direct connected old GPUs still should work fine in modern boards.

He is saying that a simpler non-UEFI compatible "legacy" card like a GTX 580 is more likely to work in that modern UEFI board, versus a more complicated GTX 590. Because your GTX 590 has a bridge chip, you have double the things going against you when trying to get it to work in a modern UEFI motherboard. The bridge chip makes the GPUs on the GTX 590 technically not a directly connected GPU.



I wouldn't assume that anything is wrong with the GTX 590.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2020/07/18 07:56:22
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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/07/18 14:56:08 (permalink)
Correction, bridge chip on 590 (and previous cards like GTX 295, 7900 GX2, 7950 GX2) is somewhat quirky and problematic Gen2 NV NF200 bridge and not more standard PLX. It's operation was not without issue even with current motherboards of that era. It's bit much to expect designers of modern HW spend time to support 11 year old bridge-connected VGA, to be fair.

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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/08/05 10:26:10 (permalink)
Why would you want to use that old GTX 590 with such a good Intel CPU? 

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Re: Getting GPU to work 2020/08/06 06:03:36 (permalink)
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Correction, bridge chip on 590 (and previous cards like GTX 295, 7900 GX2, 7950 GX2) is somewhat quirky and problematic Gen2 NV NF200 bridge and not more standard PLX. It's operation was not without issue even with current motherboards of that era. It's bit much to expect designers of modern HW spend time to support 11 year old bridge-connected VGA, to be fair.


Ah yes! I forgot about the NF200. PLX wasn't until the GTX 690 right?

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