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Im new to this forum and this maybe in the wrong thread. Ok my is, I have the gateway fx 6860 w/ i7 2600 8 gb ram and the radeon hd 6750 graphics card. I believe the specs say that I have a 500w power supply. Will I be safe with buying the gtx 560 non ti if the min req for this card is 450w. I was thinking of getting the gtx 550 ti but for 30 bucks more I can get this one. Is there any insight/heads up you guys can give me so I can be prepared for any unforeseen issues with the power supply? Thanks 
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/11 08:16:18
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If its a quality psu. It should not be a problem. Nice choice btw. Its a great little card that packs a punch. Especially a good deal now with lower price and rebates. As for the stock psu you have. Does it have 2 pci express power connectors or just 1? If it has just 1. Sure you could go the molex route and use an adapter that comes with the card. But, imo. Its best the stock psu comes with 2.
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/11 09:22:53
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Ok just open the case...it has 2 6pin connectors leading the card installed now, but looks like the 2nd 6pin is coming out of the 1st one. I looked at the power supply and it states that the max wattage is 450/ peak wattage 500. I should be safe I guess if the min req is 450. I'm amp'd about this card mainly for use with Adobe cs6 to utilize the mercury playback engine if you are familiar with that software.
Thanks for the quick response!
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/11 17:22:29
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I had to make a simular decision but with SLI included. I went with the 560 because it could do Nvidia surround as the 550 can't. I may be wrong but there is one thing the 560 can that the 550 can't.
Also I went with the none Ti version because I also multibox and also play SWTOR. In SWTOR playing in Surround is absolutely awesome. Some even suggested that playing on a 780i board with them the board or CPU would be the bottleneck.
You wouldn't know by looking at it. It plays smooth and I have everything turned on high. CPU is a quad core Q6600 O'C'd to 3.0Ghz and 4 gigs of ram. GPU on the 560 might be slightly slower but the extra video memory more then makes up for it IMO.
I did upgrade the Power Supply to make sure the system would handle the new cards. My old ones which I still have are EVGA 8800GTS. Old power supply is a 850. New one is a 1000 :)
Good luck and if it was me......560 all the way.
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/11 19:47:23
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Man..you have an extreme bottleneck right there :P I'd suggest overclocking the cpu if you want a a bit more performance :P
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/12 10:19:19
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I hope that my power supply can handle this puppy. Max 450w peak is 500w. What do you guys think? Safe or not?
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/12 19:55:34
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Go online and use a power supply calculator. Use google or some other search engine to help you locate one. It will ask you some questions about your system and from there it will give you an idea if your system is up to the task. I used one to make my decision. What I had worked, but, it was making the power supply work near its peak all the time. This in turn, due to heat produced by the power supply itself would shorten the life of it, not to mention power flow many not be as even as it could be. With that thought I bought I upgraded to a 1000 to make sure everything worked smoothly. It was a good choice.
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 02:50:11
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I think you should be fine because I had a 550w power supply and was able to overclock my 560 2GB non ti SC and my 2600k to 4.8ghz and tons of fans and LEDs in my rig with no problem. I know you have 100w less than me but you have that 50w of extra power when your at your peak. You should be able to overclock your card just a little maybe. But you should be just fine with running the card since you have a peak power of 500w. I would suggest to get a new PSU ASAP. What type of PSU you have anyways and what is its efficiency rating?
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 05:04:12
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Don't worry at all buddy. I recently installed an EVGA GTX 560 2GB Superclocked which I believe is the one you're describing. I'm running an aging yet still quite capable HP Pavilion Elite m9450f till I build the beast master rig I want, but to get to the point. The power supply of this computer is 460w and as we know the card requires a minimum of 450w. Haven't had a single issue whatsoever. I used to have a GTX 460 in it for about a year previously which I believe is less efficient from what I read and actually draws more power under load. Never had a problem with that one either! Right now I typically am running my 560 OCed at 950mhz & 2200mhz clock from boot up with no issues at all. No crashing, artifacting, just smooth and steady. Tonight I was messing around while playing BF3 and pushed it even farther! Even as I type it's running 1050Mhz core, 2050 shader, 2250 mem clock and haven't had any problems either! My temps aren't even getting close to 70c either... they're chilling in the mid 50s even at that OC! I've kind of ghetto modified the stock HP case a bit for better air flow but cutting a freaking 12x6" hole in the right side where there are no louvers or vents and covered it with a mesh screen. Haha I'm trying to stretch this Core 2 Quad HP Elite as long as I can and I think the 560 is the last upgrade I can made video card wise because I think the 560ti 2gb needs more than 450w. BOTTOM LINE... I have 10w to spare between whats required and what my psu puts out and I've never had an issue. So if you're working with 500w, don't even give it a second though, you're fine! The card is great and all but if I had the extra PSU capability I would go for the gtx 560ti 2gb! That way you get the extra CUDA Cores over the non Ti and still 2gb ram but apparently the reg 560s 2gb are better in SLI but I haven't read up on the reason for that.... Hope this helps!  OK! Dissertation OVER! 
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 06:41:50
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According to the model specs on HP's site for my Pavilion Elite m9450f just says power supply is 460W so I'm assuming that has to be max output. Besides that, I don't think OCing really requires much if any additional PSU output. I'm sure there's some additional consumption but nothing like for example... "I have 460W PSU and it runs the video card requiring 450W at stock specs (850mhz), but if OCed to 1000mhz for example I then need a 500W PSU" I mean I only have 10W extra PSU output than is required by the card and can OC aggressively no prob.... I have one edit to make about the 1025mhz OC I was touting so successfully... It was running a few rounds of various maps fine but I just played a BF3 CQB map and it crashed the game so I'd say don't go over 1000 mhz! I was running 950mhz and 2200mhz for weeks no prob and decided to bump it a bit more to 975 like yours is running and it's run fine for a week of so. I think that's pretty much the sweet spot right there; 975mhz core, 1950 shader, 2200 or 2250 mem mhz maybe even 2300+. But 975 & 2200 all day long no problem, besides I don't think I would have run the 1025mhz all the time anyway had it not crashed BF3. I do this all using MSI AfterBurner 2.2.2 by the way and Nvidia beta driver 304.48. For no reason other than just wanting to give it a go. I was running the newest 304.79 beta driver that came out July 3rd but I thought my FPS in BF3 were lower err something was weird but it might have been something else or my imagination so I went back to the other beta. I dunno maybe I'll try .79 again if I'm bored today. I've been very experimental lately haha, trying to eeck out any extra FPS for BF3 which I've become addicted to heh. You sure going with the R300 series drivers won't allow you to reach those same OC numbers as well as help increase optimization in any games you might play? If you look at the Nvidia site, they claim some fairly significant increases in most of all the major titles using the R300 series driver release 301.42 and even more in the two R300 betas! For the 301.42 WHQL-certified driver; Nvidia claims these gains... Performance Boost – Increases performance for GeForce 400 Series and 500 Series GPUs in several PC games vs. GeForce 296.10 WHQL-certified drivers. Results will vary depending on your GPU and system configuration:
GeForce GTX 560/560 Ti:Up to 20% in The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimUp to 15% in Just Cause 2 with SLIUp to 13% in Far Cry 2 with SLIUp to 12% in BulletstormUp to 11% in Civilization VUp to 10% in StarCraft II with SLIUp to 9% in Batman: Arkham CityUp to 4% in Deus Ex: Human Revolution with SLIUp to 4% in Dragon Age 2 with SLIUp to 4% in Metro 2033 with SLIUp to 4% in Total War: Shogun 2
 PS: For some reason I can't play Civilization V since installing my gtx 560 even after trying all three of the new R300 drivers even the newest beta specifically claiming some sort of Civ V GPU compatibility fix. The GTX460 always ran it fine so who knows... Now it pretty much crashes the game after I select to use Direct X 10. All of my other current games work great: Max Payne 3-fine, Crysis 2- fine, Mafia 2- fine, Batman Arkham Asylum -fine, Tropico 4- fine, iRacing.com fine, etc etc etc yada yada zzzzzzz 
Later guys,
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 07:19:49
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Ya I am sure about the 300 series wont allow me to overclock higher. Well I did stop at the 301.42 driver. I have not tried the 304 drivers because I have me a pair of 670s now. If you can achieve 1000mhz on your core clock with your 560 you have a golden chip. Also just because it says 460w on your PSU does not mean it does not have a peak power. Mine current power supply says its 1250w but it has a peak power of 1300w. Try to find your owners manual online and see if has a peak power. Your peak power may be 500w since you can overclock your 560 that high with out anything crashing. Like I said my old PSU's peak power was 550w so that is why I was able to overclock my card and CPU so high.
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 07:40:40
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Hmmm interesting, I will definitely look into that. I guess I'm wrong about not needing much extra PSU output to OC aggressively. Maybe it is more like 500W peak, **** that would be splendid!
But yea over 1000mhz is a bit too much and runs for a bit but crashes certain games eventually...But 950-975mhz is no sweat and runs cool too...
How much additional PSU output do you need for more overclocking? You have a link or quick explanation that kind of explains that "overclocking a GPU by for example 100mhz requires an additional 25W from the PSU" or some ratio, if you get me?
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 07:55:47
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Nah I do dont think you need as much PSU output to overclock as you think. Also try to use this power calculator in this link below. This should help recommend you how many watts of power you need for your PSU. Also what I do to test my PSU for stability is I run Prime95 and have my CPU on MAX load. Also I have my RAM(not video ram) at MAX load. Then I run heaven bench mark as well and see if my PSU can handel all that. This should tell you if you really have a stable PSU. I recommend you try my little test out. http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 07:59:12
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HAHA a few last things and I'm done... would I get better performance going back to the 296.10 driver? I'm going to stay at 950-975 like I am now but with that being said, are there any advantages to going back to the 296.10? I feel like the R300 & newer beta drivers don't hold as steady of FPS in BF3 as it did when I first installed the game. Then again I installed about 10 more games since then and such. But just used msconfig & Piriform CCleaner to remove startup junk and unneeded services to cut the fat that installing **** like Steam, Origin, Adobe CS5 adds etc. Then again maybe I'm jaded and it seems slower"ish" because I'm used to it... Why won't R300 let you OC higher?
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 08:30:47
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Well I what ever driver give you the best overclock stick with that. That is how I role. But you may argue about new drivers have updates and allow smoother gameplay with games. But honestly when I went from the 296.10 driver to the 301.42 driver I saw about a 7fps decrease in some of my games because I had a lower overclock which I stated that I was only able to achieve a 925mhz on the core clock and 2117mhz on memory with the 301.42 driver. So I would tell you stay with the driver that allows you to have the highest STABLE overclock. You may have a higher overclock with one driver but if its not stable don't use it (self explanatory lol). Well I hope my opinions and advice helped you out. Also feel free to ask more question. I don't mind one bit.
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 09:50:44
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I'm sorry, but there is so much incorrect information being posted in this thread I am forced to comment. *To OP: While your powesupply "appears" to have enough watts, total watts are meaningless as the important voltages for videocards is the amps available on the 12v rail. The rule of thumb for powersupplies is to load your PSU at 80% or below of its rating. Running a powersupply at its max or "peak" wattage will seriously shorten the life of a PSU and increases the risk of PSU failure. PSU failure can damage other components of your system like MB, CPU, RAM and Videocards and can be a very expensive mistake. I belive that below is your model of Gateway http://us.gateway.com/gw/en/US/content/model/DT.GD5AA.002 I am unable to find the technical specs for the 500w powersupply of that unit. I would say you should "probably" be OK using a GTX 560, but I would advise -against- overclcoking it using that powersupply. Contrary to what has been posted, overclocking seriously increases the powerloading on the PSU and can increase the 12v wattage used dramatically. You would be well advised to be careful when reading postings on any forum about hardware matters, as many users often can make comments that are misinformed, incorrect and flat out wrong. Its not their system or their money, so they have no investment in the comments they make. Be very careful when reading such remarks and never trust anything that has not been confirmed through multiple sources. Personally, I would call Gateway and get the technical specs of the 12v amps available and rail design of the PSU -before- ordering your GTX 560.... Below are the power requirements for -STOCK- use * Requirements Minimum of a 450 Watt power supply.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 24 Amps.)  Two available 6-pin PCI-E power dongles The 560 is a great card and as a fellow CS user, you will greatly enjoy its performance at stock performance levels. If you do decide to overclock, remember that contrary to what has been posted, videocard memory overclocks are completely meaningless performance wise (98% of performance increases come from the "core" clocks, overclocking memory provides very -very- little gain if any) and you will gain much higher core clocks when leaving the memory at stock.
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 10:23:02
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2ndlevelpro
Im new to this forum and this maybe in the wrong thread. Ok my is, I have the gateway fx 6860 w/ i7 2600 8 gb ram and the radeon hd 6750 graphics card. I believe the specs say that I have a 500w power supply.
Will I be safe with buying the gtx 560 non ti if the min req for this card is 450w. I was thinking of getting the gtx 550 ti but for 30 bucks more I can get this one. Is there any insight/heads up you guys can give me so I can be prepared for any unforeseen issues with the power supply?
Thanks
*Please read my post above  I have looked into your PSU further to find the -correct- information for you  I was able to fine a pic of your case with the PSU and read the part number off it (below) **IMPORTANT: this is for Gateway model #FX6860-UR21P -confirm- that this is indeed your model number.  Here is a closeup of the PSU specs  450 watts 360 watts of 12v available (2) 12v rails at 18 amps each *I was unable to find PCIE connector information or pics for the unit You -will- be fine with that PSU and a GTX 560 (non Ti) Depending on what power cables come off the unit, you may/or may not have to use the power adaptors that come in the videocard box (so dont throw them away) You will also have enough power to overclock your 560 should you choose to do so Enjoy, and welcome to the EVGA Forums!! *NOTE: Since you have a radeon hd 6750 graphics card and its drivers currently installed. You should read over my Nvidia driver guide so you -correctly- uninstall your current ATI drivers before installing your new Nvidia card and how to -properly- install your new Nvidia drivers How to uninstall ATI dispaly drivers-> http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU57RemoveOldGraphicsDrivers.aspx My Nvidia driver guide is here--> http://forums.evga.com/fb.ashx?m=1174372
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/14 13:24:36
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maniacvvv
I'm sorry, but there is so much incorrect information being posted in this thread I am forced to comment.
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Below are the power requirements for -STOCK- use
* Requirements
Minimum of a 450 Watt power supply.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 24 Amps.)
Two available 6-pin PCI-E power dongles Don't forget to include a couple more facts (or maybe just tounge-in-cheek concepts  ): - Regarding nVidia's total system power rating (because they aren't just talking about the card's requirements), they do NOT tell us the configuration of this random computer they quoted power for. Therefore, we can't just assume they are talking about our configuration to be confident of the accuracy of their numbers.
- The only use their system rating wattage and amperage numbers have is for liability and warranty: If you want to be covered, stay at or above those numbers; everything else is a risk if you don't know any better. All it tells us is if something goes wrong with the graphics card, EVGA tech support can and will scapegoat a lower PSU rating than recommended as if we didn't follow the rules. Warranty voids.
- nVidia's website includes a spec called "board power", at the bottom of the following link is the actual wattage the card is designed to use at reference speeds drawn at 12v. For GTX560, it is 150W (12.5A at 12v). But this number is only useful if one intends to SLI, they can add it to the recommended single-graphics system rating to get a new larger wattage PSU.
- nVidia knows most folks don't own or know how to use a potentiometer to measure their wattage requirements versus what they need. But CPU, GPU, any drives and fans all draw from 12v; if one adds up just those amps, they have a minimum for PSU rating regardless. Got to push this important concept.
- For example, let's say the OP owned a powerful 6-core processor (for the sake of overestimating power), Core i7-980X draws 136W typically, or 11.5A at 12v. Add in the GTX560, and that is 24A. Drives and fans have labels that indicate their requirements on them, I'll assume one HDD (1A) and two fans (0.4A each), so the grand total is less than 30A-- the OP's PSU is more than just "probably okay".
- We can scale estimate his stock Q6600 as a ratio of the TDP against real power, so I'd say around 99W draw, or just over 8A at 12v; which is even more probably okay.
ki11joy92
Man..you have an extreme bottleneck right there :P I'd suggest overclocking the cpu if you want a a bit more performance :P A regular GTX560 falls between a pair of GTX280's and a single GTX280 in performance, which was one such combination way back then with a stock Q6600. If he plays any GPU-intensive titles at a relatively higher resolution, he really doesn't need to overclock the CPU at all, BF3 is a good example. This link shows that at high details, a Q6600 with a GTX590 nets around 50FPS; while this link shows that a Q6600 with a GTX560 would scale to around 25-30FPS (since the Q6600 is 85% way to 2600K, which allows for 40FPS with GTX560, it is basic math)-- But that's at ultra details; there is no rule against lowering it to raise frame rates just because many of us would rather not and justify getting a better GPU and CPU to make it how we like it. In otherwords, this isn't about us. We can't just assume just because an older slower CPU will give us a headache if we used his system, therefore he'd have a problem too; no one has asked him his preferences in games or details. The only way an 'extreme bottleneck' would occur is if his expectations were too high for what he spent, or got an even faster graphics card coupled with our expectations. I'm not saying he still won't have a bottleneck of some kind despite getting better performance than he had before. I'm saying it won't bother him as much as it would bother us.
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Re:GeForce gtx 560 non ti ver. Question
2012/07/15 00:12:37
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Ahh sweet! Hey maniacvvv and lehpron thanks for teaching us the correct info.
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