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2022/11/16 12:14:35 (permalink)
Long video, as per usual, from Gamers Nexus with video of causing cables to melt.



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3 main reasons that they discuss:

1. Foreign Object Debris in the cable, but that is a minor issue as it seems.

2. User error, not seating the cable properly, with an explanation of how they come to that conclusion.

3. Cables backing out because of the amount of force required to get the cable to seat properly.

To get the cables to melt, it wasn’t simply having the cables mostly connected that caused the fairly, it was OBVIOUSLY not seated.

An interesting point that I noticed, only one pin burnt in each of their tests, and some user cable had 3-4 pins melted, so it adds more confusion.

In short, GN suggested really making sure the cable is fully seated, use the extra force to make sure it actually clicks into place and don’t trust the visual that it actually looks fully seated, they provide an example, and stop removing the cables to check them to see if they melted because the removal and reinstallation is causing debris from the pins to also create problems. Fully seat it, then leave it alone.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/16 12:58:06 (permalink)
    It seems to me that the foreign object debris would always be present in any connector.
    You're rubbing metal against metal. After all, that's the reason for the limited cycles spec.
     
    What surprised me were the dimples inside the connector. I never looked inside one but I thought that the inside would be smooth for maximum contact and that the split design was to give it a clamping force.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/16 13:24:10 (permalink)
    I didn't expect the dimples either. If anything, I figured the male side would need some recession so that the dimple had a place to seat, but they never showed the male side and on the GPU from what I saw.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/16 14:49:53 (permalink)
    Been saying it for weeks, that you really need to wiggle and push to securely connect that connector. 

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/16 16:09:20 (permalink)
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    It seems to me that the foreign object debris would always be present in any connector.
    You're rubbing metal against metal. After all, that's the reason for the limited cycles spec.
     
    What surprised me were the dimples inside the connector. I never looked inside one but I thought that the inside would be smooth for maximum contact and that the split design was to give it a clamping force.




    To some degree, but the protective coating shouldn't be scraping entirely off after just one use. As Steve goes on to say, this will lead to copper oxidization on the connector down the road.
     
    The second factor is that these are smaller connectors than the PCIe power connectors. The pin is smaller, the receptacle is smaller, and the spacing gap between the pin and housing is miniscule by comparison. NVIDIA made the connector components small enough that even common plastic FOD and metal burrs are now causing electrical pathing problems, as evidenced by the segment where Steve was showing the metal discoloration where parallel path resistance caused electrical damage to the tip of the connector. Or in other words, the connector is too small given the quality of manufacturing being used to make it. 


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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 04:24:53 (permalink)
    So people don't know how to plug in computer cables. Got it. 


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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 04:41:19 (permalink)
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    So people don't know how to plug in computer cables. Got it. 




    Reason I don't believe there is simply just "people don't know how to plug in computer cables" at least 5 out of 6 pins would have to have incorrect contact for this to happen.  Could it be the starting cause, sure, but it would be strange to have every pin, except one, not making contact.  The cable would basically need to be sitting outside of the connector on the card just touching tips.  GN was able to get a single pin to overheat, and that is reasonable to say it is user error specifically. When both sides are melting, I would think there is more than a singular issue occurring, which can lead to what they were saying about FOD and other issues.
     

     

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 04:47:49 (permalink)
    I am now using the Corsair 16 pin cable. I rechecked the connection today after watching the Gamer's Nexus video. 

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 04:56:49 (permalink)
    So...basically...designed poorly, made cheap..... blame it all on the users.... gotcha.


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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 05:01:57 (permalink)
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    So...basically...designed poorly, made cheap..... blame it all on the users.... gotcha.



    Well you're partially correct. The latching mechanism needs to be better to ensure a solid connection. 

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 06:25:42 (permalink)
    Gonna be a lot of denied warranty claims for the melted plug now. “Customer caused damage from improper installation”

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 07:19:16 (permalink)
    I wish EVGA was still in the GPU market.... I would have bought their 4090. I also would also purchased a 4090 Powerlink. 

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 08:30:18 (permalink)
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    So...basically...designed poorly, made cheap..... blame it all on the users.... gotcha.


    That's Nvidia angle. The connector alone is a hazard and while you see the truth others brush it off like is not a big deal, figures🙄.
    The video just proves it that even the best cable made out there still melts and catches fire.

    I always apply this to my every day life decisions: "Be part of the solution and not the problem".
    And if you dont want to be part of either decision then you need to stay out of it.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 09:23:46 (permalink)
    Will EVGA make a 4090/4080 adapter that works with their PSU? Something that’s better then the adapter shipped by Nvidia?

    It would be nice for EVGA to make something that has a 90 degree bend, or something like the WireView power adapter

     
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 12:46:09 (permalink)
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    Will EVGA make a 4090/4080 adapter that works with their PSU? Something that’s better then the adapter shipped by Nvidia?

    It would be nice for EVGA to make something that has a 90 degree bend, or something like the WireView power adapter

    The power adapter from the GPU is flawed. That is the reason EVGA stay out of it. All the customization EVGA did to make it safer for us consumers to have a safe product cost money and i am pretty sure Nvidia said i m not giving you anything in return.
    Gamers Nexus video made it very clear to me, Nvidia is a company that doesn't care about the consumers safety period. You have any idea how many lives this video and many others who came forward about this issue were saved? Specially those who Fold and leave their PCs on all the time.
    Take some time to think about that and tell me if i am wrong
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 13:19:41 (permalink)
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    Will EVGA make a 4090/4080 adapter that works with their PSU? Something that’s better then the adapter shipped by Nvidia?

    It would be nice for EVGA to make something that has a 90 degree bend, or something like the WireView power adapter

    The power adapter from the GPU is flawed. That is the reason EVGA stay out of it. All the customization EVGA did to make it safer for us consumers to have a safe product cost money and i am pretty sure Nvidia said i m not giving you anything in return.
    Gamers Nexus video made it very clear to me, Nvidia is a company that doesn't care about the consumers safety period. You have any idea how many lives this video and many others who came forward about this issue were saved? Specially those who Fold and leave their PCs on all the time.
    Take some time to think about that and tell me if i am wrong

    You’re wrong. I’ve pulled 500+ watts through my card for 10 hours straight, and my cable/connector didn’t burst into flames.


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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 14:07:28 (permalink)
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    Will EVGA make a 4090/4080 adapter that works with their PSU? Something that’s better then the adapter shipped by Nvidia?

    It would be nice for EVGA to make something that has a 90 degree bend, or something like the WireView power adapter

    The power adapter from the GPU is flawed. That is the reason EVGA stay out of it. All the customization EVGA did to make it safer for us consumers to have a safe product cost money and i am pretty sure Nvidia said i m not giving you anything in return.
    Gamers Nexus video made it very clear to me, Nvidia is a company that doesn't care about the consumers safety period. You have any idea how many lives this video and many others who came forward about this issue were saved? Specially those who Fold and leave their PCs on all the time.
    Take some time to think about that and tell me if i am wrong

    You’re wrong. I’ve pulled 500+ watts through my card for 10 hours straight, and my cable/connector didn’t burst into flames.

    Ok im wrong so why EVGA switched the placement of the adapter if it was.fine🤔😏
    post edited by atfrico - 2022/11/17 14:08:36

    Those who abuse power, are nothing but scumbags! The challenge of power is how to use it and not abuse it. The abuse of power that seems to create the most unhappiness is when a person uses personal power to get ahead without regards to the welfare of others, people are obsessed with it. You can take a nice person and turn them into a slob, into an insane being, craving power, destroying anything that stands in their way.
     
     
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 14:16:11 (permalink)
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    Will EVGA make a 4090/4080 adapter that works with their PSU? Something that’s better then the adapter shipped by Nvidia?

    It would be nice for EVGA to make something that has a 90 degree bend, or something like the WireView power adapter

    The power adapter from the GPU is flawed. That is the reason EVGA stay out of it. All the customization EVGA did to make it safer for us consumers to have a safe product cost money and i am pretty sure Nvidia said i m not giving you anything in return.
    Gamers Nexus video made it very clear to me, Nvidia is a company that doesn't care about the consumers safety period. You have any idea how many lives this video and many others who came forward about this issue were saved? Specially those who Fold and leave their PCs on all the time.
    Take some time to think about that and tell me if i am wrong

    You’re wrong. I’ve pulled 500+ watts through my card for 10 hours straight, and my cable/connector didn’t burst into flames.

    Ok im wrong so why EVGA switched the placement of the adapter if it was.fine🤔😏

    For better cable management when placed inside a case.


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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 14:18:20 (permalink)
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    Ok im wrong so why EVGA switched the placement of the adapter if it was.fine🤔😏



    They switched power connectors position for previous FTW and Kingpin cards, too.  Better cable routing, similar to their motherboard 24-pin side facing position.  For some it worked well, others, not so much.
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 14:24:23 (permalink)
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    Will EVGA make a 4090/4080 adapter that works with their PSU? Something that’s better then the adapter shipped by Nvidia?

    It would be nice for EVGA to make something that has a 90 degree bend, or something like the WireView power adapter

    The power adapter from the GPU is flawed. That is the reason EVGA stay out of it. All the customization EVGA did to make it safer for us consumers to have a safe product cost money and i am pretty sure Nvidia said i m not giving you anything in return.
    Gamers Nexus video made it very clear to me, Nvidia is a company that doesn't care about the consumers safety period. You have any idea how many lives this video and many others who came forward about this issue were saved? Specially those who Fold and leave their PCs on all the time.
    Take some time to think about that and tell me if i am wrong

    You’re wrong. I’ve pulled 500+ watts through my card for 10 hours straight, and my cable/connector didn’t burst into flames.

    Ok im wrong so why EVGA switched the placement of the adapter if it was.fine🤔😏

    For better cable management when placed inside a case.

    Right. One last question, which models are encountering these issues Nvidias gpus or their partners?
    You can say im wrong because which reference gpu you have? I was referring Nvidias only.

    Those who abuse power, are nothing but scumbags! The challenge of power is how to use it and not abuse it. The abuse of power that seems to create the most unhappiness is when a person uses personal power to get ahead without regards to the welfare of others, people are obsessed with it. You can take a nice person and turn them into a slob, into an insane being, craving power, destroying anything that stands in their way.
     
     
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 14:28:02 (permalink)
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    Will EVGA make a 4090/4080 adapter that works with their PSU? Something that’s better then the adapter shipped by Nvidia?

    It would be nice for EVGA to make something that has a 90 degree bend, or something like the WireView power adapter

    The power adapter from the GPU is flawed. That is the reason EVGA stay out of it. All the customization EVGA did to make it safer for us consumers to have a safe product cost money and i am pretty sure Nvidia said i m not giving you anything in return.
    Gamers Nexus video made it very clear to me, Nvidia is a company that doesn't care about the consumers safety period. You have any idea how many lives this video and many others who came forward about this issue were saved? Specially those who Fold and leave their PCs on all the time.
    Take some time to think about that and tell me if i am wrong

    You’re wrong. I’ve pulled 500+ watts through my card for 10 hours straight, and my cable/connector didn’t burst into flames.

    Ok im wrong so why EVGA switched the placement of the adapter if it was.fine🤔😏

    For better cable management when placed inside a case.

    Right. One last question, which models are encountering these issues Nvidias gpus or their partners?
    You can say im wrong because which reference gpu you have? I was referring Nvidias only.

    FE cards and AIB cards have had issues. Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC has had the most issues from what I have seen, but I actually own that card as well, and have had zero issues.


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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 14:36:42 (permalink)
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    FE cards and AIB cards have had issues. Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC has had the most issues from what I have seen, but I actually own that card as well, and have had zero issues.



    Sometimes, engineers accommodate cost/politics in designs over proper use by lowest commen denominator end-users.  Also, everyone makes mistakes and a problem card may have been an anxious owner trying to hookup everything quickly and didn't check the fitting.  A lot of speculation and over-analyzing over 0.0-something percent failure rate.  It sucks to be that person but stuff happens.

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 15:45:09 (permalink)
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    FE cards and AIB cards have had issues. Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC has had the most issues from what I have seen, but I actually own that card as well, and have had zero issues.

    FE cards there you go. Nvidias reference only.

    Good example, Certain electric scooters are banned in certain states because? The batteries catches fire so what makes this GPU any different?
    Any product that catches fire is considered Hazard regardless of the low faulty ratio.
    Check OSHA laws, this product falls in the Hazard category and even if you are insured at your home and yourself or even you have a 4090 that runs just fine, to the insurance company you are a risk and you are violating your insurance policy, lease, mortgage because you have a well known product that catches fire!
    This is the message im trying to put across.
    This is what EVGA was trying to avoid and some people dont see that

    Those who abuse power, are nothing but scumbags! The challenge of power is how to use it and not abuse it. The abuse of power that seems to create the most unhappiness is when a person uses personal power to get ahead without regards to the welfare of others, people are obsessed with it. You can take a nice person and turn them into a slob, into an insane being, craving power, destroying anything that stands in their way.
     
     
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 17:03:42 (permalink)
    I will be using a Cable Mod adapter, but checking frequently with an ir Thermometer for the first few weeks
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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/17 23:47:16 (permalink)
    LOL! AMD decided to stick with the 8 pin PCIe GPU cables. 

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/18 00:14:49 (permalink)
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    LOL! AMD decided to stick with the 8 pin PCIe GPU cables. 


    It really will hurt NVIDIA to stay out of the connector change this generation for AMD especially if AMD is able to get in the same ballpark in performance or offer close enough performance for a lower price. It will also depend on how RMA are handled by NVIDIA on melted cables. If people start to say NVIDIA refused a RMA then AMD and Intel could gain ground.

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/18 10:36:12 (permalink)
    NVidia official response. Connectors weren’t fully connected, but it shouldn’t be that hard to connect them, so a revision will be done.

    .04 is approximately the official number of burnt connectors.

    NVidia will RMA even with 3rd party cables used.

    Install the cable using more force than you think, and then install the GPU into the PC.

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/18 10:52:19 (permalink)
    That adapter in the GPU is shouting let me breath is too cramped and hot in here hippie!!🤣🤣🙄🤦

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    Re: Gamers Nexus and 12VHPWR cables 2022/11/18 13:50:23 (permalink)
    the_Scarlet_one
    NVidia official response. Connectors weren’t fully connected, but it shouldn’t be that hard to connect them, so a revision will be done.

    .04 is approximately the official number of burnt connectors.

    NVidia will RMA even with 3rd party cables used.

    Install the cable using more force than you think, and then install the GPU into the PC.



    People can't connect cables correctly. 


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