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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:34 PM (permalink)
I'm going to order a Titan so fast it's going to be still warm from the factory!
 

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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:35 PM (permalink)
lol it is not hate. it is just reality. sli is going to have more issues and be less consistent than running a single gpu. 

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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:00 PM (permalink)
It's hate.. Lol
New games sli quite well...please get off your self sanctimonious righteousness and respect everyone's choices. Do you see anyone else making judgements about your sig rig choices?
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:05 PM (permalink)
I prefer 2 cards at all times and i can honestly say Ive never really had any complaints with SLI.
 
I just feel like any potential SLI issues are blown out of proportion some times.

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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:06 PM (permalink)
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It's hate.. Lol
New games sli quite well...please get off your self sanctimonious righteousness and respect everyone's choices. Do you see anyone else making judgements about your sig rig choices?
what kind of asinine  reply is that?  the guy was saying that two cards would always be faster and that 680 sli would be cheaper to boot. he was wrong. I dont hate sli and may even go that route myself but its a FACT that  single cards will perform more consistently. if you cant  handle the truth and only want to blindly defend your purchases then that is your problem. 

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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:10 PM (permalink)
No one should ever have to defend their purchase, as it is their own business. I can call bs on statements that fluff, as I don't experience this sli boogeyman that you keep trolling
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:18 PM (permalink)
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No one should ever have to defend their purchase, as it is their own business. I can call bs on statements that fluff, as I don't experience this sli boogeyman that you keep trolling
bs on what? are you actually crazy enough to claim that sli always works and always scales great? are you crazy enough to claim that the additional overhead can never  cause performance to actually be worse in some cases especially minimums? are you crazy enough to claim that micro stuttering is not a real issue? and do actually think two smaller cards in sli will perform as consistently as one larger gpu? if so then sli is perfect for you because you are clueless. 
 
yes sli may be fine MOST of the time but to say that the issues I mentioned are bs is just ignorance and denial on your part. nearly anyone here with a lick of sense would take an equally performing single gpu over an sli setup for the same money. in fact I am betting that most people going with Titan will be getting rid of their  680 sli setups to do so.   
 
 
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:31 PM (permalink)
And the hate continues...
I am sensible enough to know my experience, and you can go on keep calling everyone crazy, if it makes you sleep better at night, little boy
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:32 PM (permalink)
something simple to understand:
 
does SLI have issues? no matter how small or minor. answer is Yes
 
ok lets move on to the next question
 
does Single GPU have SLI issues? obviously, since it's not in SLI: answer is no.
 
final question
 
so does a SLI setup have more issues than a Single GPU? according to the anwers above, yes.
 
can that be any more clear?
 
so justifying a purchase or not, which would have less issues?
a SLI setup? or a Single GPU setup with the same performance?
you tell me.
 
 
and for reference, im on SLI myself. so im not even defending my own purchase, it's just facts.

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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:35 PM (permalink)
Here is something even simpler; you have issues with sli, ok I believe you.
I don't. Now was this so hard?
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:38 PM (permalink)
armando666

And the hate continues...
I am sensible enough to know my experience, and you can go on keep calling everyone crazy, if it makes you sleep better at night, little boy
your own experience does not change the facts. you just play your games and dont analyze anything like in depth reviews and comparisons do. for you, ignorance is bliss and that is fine  but dont call bs on what are well known and provable facts about sli. 
 
eternitykh is an sli user that gets it just fine and accepts reality. 

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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:42 PM (permalink)
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Here is something even simpler; you have issues with sli, ok I believe you.
I don't. Now was this so hard?
so what you mean to say is that for you sli seems to be okay from what you can tell. AGAIN that does not change any of the facts about sli compared to a single card. 


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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:42 PM (permalink)
You got it finally! My experience is what matters to me, and am I sure that's what matters to most sli users.
I am sorry to hear that your sli experience sucks.
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:49 PM (permalink)
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You got it finally! My experience is what matters to me, and am I sure that's what matters to most sli users.
I am sorry to hear that your sli experience sucks.

sorry but being happy or unhappy with something does not change the actual facts about it.
 
and  you still cant comprehend the context of the thread. I am not bashing sli for the sake of bashing it. I am comparing it to running  a faster single card. and a single that performs about the same as dual cards in sli and also costs about the same would be the better overall choice. and I think even you know that. 
 
 
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:58 PM (permalink)
Please spare me the discussion about costs. Can't afford it, don't buy it.not happy with what you have , change it.
I will be happy with my experience, and you can be happy with whatever data turns your crank
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:55 PM (permalink)
Only an absolute moron would run an sli setup. Problem solved. Take it to PM's and let's stick to the topic.

I will be buying multiple Titan cards and cramming them into every pcie slot I have.

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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:57 PM (permalink)
Only an absolute moron would run an sli setup. Problem solved. Take it to PM's and let's stick to the topic.

I will be buying multiple Titan cards and cramming them into every pcie slot I have.

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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:01 PM (permalink)
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Only an absolute moron would run an sli setup. Problem solved.
I will be buying multiple Titan cards and cramming them into every pcie slot I have.

 
Is this sarcasm or ......
For what we know from the prevoius releases what looks good on paper might fail in reality. Let's wait for Titan to be released before arguments about what a card that is not available yet can do....


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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:05 PM (permalink)
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Chaotic Yeti

Only an absolute moron would run an sli setup. Problem solved.
I will be buying multiple Titan cards and cramming them into every pcie slot I have.


Is this sarcasm or ......
For what we know from the prevoius releases what looks good on paper might fail in reality. Let's wait for Titan to be released before arguments about what a card that is not available yet can do....

Take a peek at his mod rig..I thought it was quite funny..someone has a sense of humour
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:59 PM (permalink)
From the speculation so far a single titan is not beating a GTX690, which means its even further from beating 2 x GTX680's. 2 x GTX680's with cores overclocked ~20% and mem pushing 237 GB/s barely gives me playable framerates in Crysis2 and 3 @ 2560x1600, which means I (and many other who actually push decent res) won't be downgrading to a single titan but would be upgrading to SLI titans.
 
I dont have SLI issues either, although I acknowlegde they exist for some. The new 3D mark thread is full of complaints about low scores, no sli, same with BF3 with screen tearing and stuttering. Everything is smooth as butter for me and I'm super sensitive to stutter. All benches score what they should, and I'm on an 'omg upgrade your hardware bro' X58 system and I beat out many 1155/2011 board/CPU combos.
 
The answer to the OP's question is pretty simple as has been covered as best it can be given titan is all speculation & extrapolation from K20 at this stage. Let's wait and see what reality brings before getting fiesty.
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Thursday, February 14, 2013 0:16 PM (permalink)
the difference between a 690 and 680 sli is about 2-3% so I dont why people think 680 sli is some how much faster. and why compare oced 680 sli to stock Titan? its pretty clear that Titan is going to match 680 sli in many games and even beat it in a few. some people forget that on average, 680 sli is about 60-65% faster than a single 680. some games it does great in others it does not which why its no where near twice as fast overall
 
 
and how could an overclocked 680 sli setup not be giving playable in Crysis 2? looking at reviews shows about 70 fps on max settings even for a stock 680 sli setup at 2560. 
 
EDIT: changed 80 to 70 as I was thinking about BF 3. 
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Thursday, February 14, 2013 0:22 PM (permalink)
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how could an overclocked 680 sli setup not be giving playable in Crysis 2? looking at reviews shows over 80 fps on max settings for a stock 680 sli at 2560. 

My be that's your problem; you are too busy reading reviews, while the rest of us are actually using the cards that you are reading up on.
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Thursday, February 14, 2013 0:24 PM (permalink)
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trek554

how could an overclocked 680 sli setup not be giving playable in Crysis 2? looking at reviews shows over 80 fps on max settings for a stock 680 sli at 2560. 

My be that's your problem; you are too busy reading reviews, while the rest of us are actually using the cards that you are reading up on.
well then his system must have some of those sli issues if overclocked 680 sli is not playable in Crysis 2. 


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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Thursday, February 14, 2013 0:26 PM (permalink)
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trek554

how could an overclocked 680 sli setup not be giving playable in Crysis 2? looking at reviews shows over 80 fps on max settings for a stock 680 sli at 2560. 

My be that's your problem; you are too busy reading reviews, while the rest of us are actually using the cards that you are reading up on.
well then his system must have some of those sli issues if overclocked 680 sli is not playable in Crysis 2. 

 oh, it must, it must, please say it,  because the reviews I have been spending all my time reading say otherwise..
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:52 PM (permalink)
....this looks like a good place to jump in, the angry froth seems to be ebbing. wall of text incoming! Skip to the end if you want just the sauce.
 
I'm on a 690 now. (My) thoughts (after reading the multiple threads) that make me consider the Titan:
Only game I'm playing right now is BETA of Mechwarrior online, that has no SLI support (I know, what the fuh! right?), so all the tweaking in the world only gets me 99% of GPU1 around 80FPS at 1440 with particles/shadows/HDL/DOF turned down.
 
Titan's paper-theory is that it's 1GPU is going to be much better than 1/2 a 690. That's a plus for me. I'm yet to see a AAA gaming house game that is SLI supported that makes me want to buy it. (Maybe I'm losing genre interest I dunno).
 
I play FPS(s) on xbox (only because that's where most my IRL friends game), kinda single serving gaming but whatever, it's more social than competitive play now.
 
So far the only game piquing my interest is Elderscrolls online, which, if I get into that BETA, I am sure will be a sh1tshow for SLI support, thus, 1GPU gaming on that for at least 6-10 months.
 
Ya I know, your thinking Dub Tee Eff you buy 690 for? I am enjoying benchmarking/tweaking it, but found 3 things to be very disappointing.
1. the GPU lottery. There just seems to be such a wide variance of what you may be able to overclock to. Some reviews touched on the only real gains coming from GPU OC, yet I am finding I am only really seeing a boost when I OC the mem. 
2. The original reason was power/heat/noise/complexity. Single top tier card solved (on paper) all these issues so i built a machine around that. Unfortunately I found out that the 690 is annoyingly loud under load, and way hotter than I expected. All the Pr in the world about dynamic power/clocking etc etc is nice, but in use my experience is more that the card is either off or on. (ie. quiet &cool, or ****loud/HOT) there is no half ways with gaming from what I see at 1440p.
3. The results at max settings (as I want game) at 1440p were very disappointing. I expected more of a "ya this is just right" instead of "ehh it's just scraping by" benchmarks weren't mind blowing, and I tried a couple sli supported demos and was under-thrilled.
 
Titan may be that cat's meow for single GPU fun, benching, gaming, folding(?), etc. I am concerned that is sounds like it will use similar/same shroud as the 690. To me that means just as loud, just as hot. So, that's a negative.
 
I know now that the single 690 card didn't give me what I wanted (Pwr savings are moot since it sits idle for most the time, it's annoyingly loud under load, so 2 sli cards with larger/quiter fans will either be better or the same).
 
I'm very tempted (as in the money is already set aside) to jump on 2 Titans at release. At the very least it will be a boost in single GPU gaming If I decide not to bother with SLI. I'm sure it won't be hard to sell the second one. Otherwise, I think it will be enjoyable/fun experience to be one of the early adopters to get in on the benchmarking/tweaking/driver updates on a new release of hardware. Anyone want to buy a hardly used 690? 
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:01 PM (permalink)
How much?
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:35 PM (permalink)
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Well, this is interesting. Are you able to confirm the Feb 18th paper launch at an $899 price point? If your speculation is close to reality that two Titans will annihilate a quad 690 configuration, I would certainly be interested in picking up a couple for the next build. Any idea if the rumors about limited availability at launch are accurate?

Quad 690's is in most cases as fast or slower than 3-Way SLI GTX 680's, that is if you are running games that would even support Quad SLI properly.
 
SLI scaling from 2 to 4 GPGPU's isn't all too great left alone from 2 to 3 wasn't great either, 2 Way SLI GK110-400-A2's will obliterate 4-Way SLI or Quad SLI GK104-400-A2's any day, why? Simple, you have much better SLI scaling with 2-Way SLI than 3-way and 4-way or Quad for two dual chip card config, the past has always provn this in many tests the Quad Chip configs were mostly as fast as 3-Way SLI setups and no more.
 
Anyways you will see it for yourself, I have seen this kind of patten with various GX2 based cards, I used to collect GX2 style cards and compare them with their 1GPU variants, my tests resulted that a Dual chip setup is almost identical to a 2-way setup but a quad GPU setup hardly can keep up with a 3-way setup, so left aloe a 2-Way Super chip setup like two Titans will easily beat two 690's.
 
here my old GX2 Collection btw:

left to right:
GeForce 7900 GX2
GeForce 7950 GX2
GeForce 9800 GX2
2x GeForce GTX 295 Red Edition xD
 
Good example was the 9800 GX2 and the GTX 280 the 9800 GX2 was in some cases faster but when doing 2-Way SLI with two GTX 280's even two 9800 GX2's lost it all the way, they could not even keep up.
 
The GTX 280 was back in 2007 the Titan of that period. it was one Uber chip with 240 G200 CUDA Cores it has 1GB 512Bit GDDR3 memory and yeah it ran simply everything flawlessly, when comparing to it's predecessor the 9800 GTX well heh that only had 128 G92 CUDA Cores and 512MB 256Bit GDDR3.
 
Two GTX 280's crushed three 9800 GTX's or two 9800 GX2's quite easily and I think we will see a similar pattern with two Titans compared to two GTX 690's.


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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:45 PM (permalink)
So, the quad sli must not have improved at all since the per- historic days of this card collection?
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:47 PM (permalink)
Here's hoping I can get a water block for a couple of these.  The 6GB or RAM will come in handy for me also.  It's exciting but I am not placing ANY bets until I hear something from NVIDIA.





 
 
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Re:GTX690 or TITAN???? Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:15 PM (permalink)
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So, the quad sli must not have improved at all since the per- historic days of this card collection?

Well I never said that, but every time I tested it, the numbers were all very similar and I think this pattern will show up when 2x Titan is compared with a Quad SLI GTX 690 setup, that the 2-Way SLI Titans will defeat them, with plentiful ease.
Quad SLI has improved over the generations, but it's not as staggering as 2-Way SLI has been doing, it will never get near to that either as the overall performance will lead, yes Quad SLI is faster than 2-Way but it 's performance has always been close to a 3-Way SLI setup of the same GPU type. so 2x GTX 690 = about 3x GTX 680. and 2x Titan will beat 3x GTX 680.
 
But hey I could be mistaken, but I kinda have a good feeling about this as I have had with previous gen designs.
post edited by Gold Leader - Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:18 PM


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