Capt. Kangaroo
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Hullo Everybody.., not trying to get anybody offside.... I have put one in my basket about 4 times.., then cancelled the order.., "why"..., because it costs over $1400 to get it to Australia and then I have the hassle of trying to send it back to Newegg if there is any problems. (Is Newegg a reliable company to buy from.., we don't have it here, but I do hear it mentioned all the time, sometimes good, sometimes not). I can buy a GTX 1080Ti FTW 3 air cooled in Australia for $1200 (from the other-side of Australia, so still have problems sending it back)..., at least its not international shipping back to the USA, Big $$$ I have combed over all of the posts.., and I would really like one of these cards.., so is there anybody out there that would say "not" to get a hybrid?? I won't be overclocking as by the sounds of it the rewards are minimal (truth is I am not confident enough to do it  ) I will be putting it on a ; Asus Rog CH6 MB Ryzen 7 1700 or 1700X (haven't made my mind up yet) 32Gb FlareX ram. I have a CM Storm Stryker (white) with an 850 +80 gold power supply and a CM x 120 Push/pull for the CPU that will be getting reused. This is my first ever pc build, even though I have been gaming since 1993  (yes, I am old), but always "bought"my gaming PC.., and it was always a compromise..., this time I want to "future proof" my pc as much as I financially can. Any honest advice, especially on the Hybrid would be gratefully appreciated. Cheers Capt. Kangaroo 
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/04 11:31:51
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I don't have air cooled Pascal point of reference but under load it is as loud as my air cooled 980 Classified.
It is running around 15C lower than the Maxwell though, 70+ vs 55.
But I am not sure what is typical air cooled FTW3 temp is.
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/04 12:28:03
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$1400 is a lot of money and it can buy almost two 1080Tis in my location.
(If I am living in Australia, I will tell my friend who travels to America to bring back a bunch of 1080Tis, then I invite my friend to dinner. XD, problems solved.)
Maybe a reference 1080Ti plus water blocks and pump or AIO? A good pump is a good investment.
FTW 1080Ti with aggressive fan curve is loud for sure.
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/04 14:59:26
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Just get a regular 1080ti Hybrid :P FTW eats a bit more power and you can't exactly clock it any higher than stock as Nvidia gimp the cards with voltage lock. Well unless you do a shunt mod or something :)
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/05 20:05:01
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Build an open loop vs getting hybrid. There is too much variance in the pump quality to justify getting the Hybrid models. An open loop with a Hydro Copper gives you a higher quality experience in the end, and you have more control over components. Or, stick to air. But I say avoid the Hybrids in your situation, and I've tried two of them.
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/05 20:30:12
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Build an open loop vs getting hybrid. There is too much variance in the pump quality to justify getting the Hybrid models. An open loop with a Hydro Copper gives you a higher quality experience in the end, and you have more control over components. Or, stick to air. But I say avoid the Hybrids in your situation, and I've tried two of them.
I've heard of very few pump issues. Most of the AIOs keep the GPU around 50-55C under load which is below the thermal throttle point. I'm not sure what measurable performance advantage you'd see with a custom loop and spend several hundred more dollars.
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/05 20:43:31
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More chances of the custom loop leaking than getting bad pump. Plus there is maintenance overhead. AIO is much easier.
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/05 21:45:44
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Absolutly no pump noise here, temps are in heaven :) under load i get max 47 Celsius, at idle 23 Celsius. Its an OC heaven :)
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/05 22:13:45
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There is always pump noise, just depends how sensitive you are, fan speeds, etc.
If you are used to AIOs and don't care about fan noise, go Hybrid. If you want silence and performance and don't care about cost (and don't mind delving into custom loops), go Hydro Copper. If you want flexibility, go air, then try an aftermarket bracket AIO solution, you'll be able to control the pump speed AND choose as large a radiator as you like, so you'll get even better cooling/noise/etc
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/05 23:51:06
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I've been using CPU and GPU AIOs and never heard any pump from any of them. May be it is there, if you put your ear next to it, but inside the case, it's not detectable.
Fans, or to be more precise air movement through the fins at high speed, those are indeed can get loud if you push fans past 1500rpm.
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/06 07:38:58
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I've been using CPU and GPU AIOs and never heard any pump from any of them. May be it is there, if you put your ear next to it, but inside the case, it's not detectable.
Fans, or to be more precise air movement through the fins at high speed, those are indeed can get loud if you push fans past 1500rpm.
That's awesome you had good luck with them, I experienced the opposite: all pumps had a faint clicking noise, tube vibration carried a constant hum, and the performance changed over time as well. If the OP is trying to avoid risks of sending his card back for replacement or repair, his best course of action is to minimize the amount of things that might need replacement. Hybrids introduce a few additional points of failure (pump, liquid permeation over time, leakage) compared to air cooled solutions (heat sink and fans). More important, going with the air cooled card is cheaper for him, and he can STILL eventually go hybrid down the road if he likes. As I mentioned, he could even get a Kraken G12 and a 240/280mm radiator AIO solution and increase performance even further over the 120mm AIO that comes with the Hybrids. :)
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/06 07:41:10
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That Kraken G12 is so ugly sadly :)
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/06 10:16:36
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If your ambient room temps are a bit higher then normal over in Australia, i think the hybrid would be a better choice then air cooled. I got the 1080ti SC2 Hybrid and love it. Quiet and runs smooth as butter. These throttle back on there own when the temps rise, so if it's hot where your at you might see a performance loss due to thermal throttling on air. This is however my first hybrid or AIO card, so i cannot comment on longevity.
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/06 15:03:08
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NVIDIA GPU BOOST 3 ..... Observations on Clocking with Pascal ''To start, Pascal clockspeeds are much more temperature-dependent than on Maxwell 2 or Kepler. Kepler would drop a single bin at a specific temperature, and Maxwell 2 would sustain the same clockspeed throughout. However Pascal will drop its clockspeeds as the GPU warms up, regardless of whether it still has formal thermal and TDP headroom to spare. This happens by backing off both on the clockspeed at each individual voltage point, and backing off to lower voltage points altogether.'' http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/15 I guess when you read something like that you got to figure any extrsa cooling maybe a benefit hybrid card gets up to 48c or a air getting to 80c what one is going to do that dropping as claimed from that gpu boost 3 ?? in theory the cooler card should not downclock as fast or it should not at all due to its sustained lower operating temps ??? thing to do is get a air card and then a hybrid kit [check the compatibility list first] don't buy the factory hybrid card you can see some reasons why from the 900 forums like when the pump fails down the road and evga dropped them like a hot potato like the 900 series at least you got the air cooler to slap back on not rma/ junk you card over the cooler that's the lesson I learned with my factory hybrid , never again i'll but the best air card that's compatible with the hybrid cooler and add it on my self them if the pump fails I got the air cooler to put back on it and I rma the pump on its warrantee and keep running my good card not hope I get some ones else's referb junk for my RMA or maybe that ''next best card thing '' lol..... like a gtx 1060 for my 980 ti ???? good luck
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/06 18:54:38
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NVIDIA GPU BOOST 3 .....
Observations on Clocking with Pascal
''To start, Pascal clockspeeds are much more temperature-dependent than on Maxwell 2 or Kepler. Kepler would drop a single bin at a specific temperature, and Maxwell 2 would sustain the same clockspeed throughout. However Pascal will drop its clockspeeds as the GPU warms up, regardless of whether it still has formal thermal and TDP headroom to spare. This happens by backing off both on the clockspeed at each individual voltage point, and backing off to lower voltage points altogether.''
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/15
I guess when you read something like that you got to figure any extrsa cooling maybe a benefit hybrid card gets up to 48c or a air getting to 80c what one is going to do that dropping as claimed from that gpu boost 3 ??
in theory the cooler card should not downclock as fast or it should not at all due to its sustained lower operating temps ???
thing to do is get a air card and then a hybrid kit [check the compatibility list first] don't buy the factory hybrid card you can see some reasons why from the 900 forums like when the pump fails down the road and evga dropped them like a hot potato like the 900 series at least you got the air cooler to slap back on not rma/ junk you card over the cooler
that's the lesson I learned with my factory hybrid , never again i'll but the best air card that's compatible with the hybrid cooler and add it on my self them if the pump fails I got the air cooler to put back on it and I rma the pump on its warrantee and keep running my good card not hope I get some ones else's referb junk for my RMA or maybe that ''next best card thing '' lol..... like a gtx 1060 for my 980 ti ????
good luck
Agreed
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Re: GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid...., is it "reallllly" worth it??
2017/09/06 19:03:18
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Interesting reasoning.
Look at the bright side, if they couldn't RMA your card, you'll get Volta. Yay!
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