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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 0:48 PM
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the new core17 works with HFM again!
7970's @1025 are getting 45-46kppd ea, which is up about 7k from 7662!
Project ID: 7663
Core: ZETA
Credit: 1600
Frames: 100
Name: HD7970 Slot 00
Path: localhost-36330
Number of Frames Observed: 24
Min. Time / Frame : 00:01:16 - 124,561.0 PPD
Avg. Time / Frame : 00:01:18 - 119,801.1 PPD
Cur. Time / Frame : 00:01:16 - 123,692.1 PPD
R3F. Time / Frame : 00:01:18 - 119,349.3 PPD
All Time / Frame : 00:01:18 - 119,349.3 PPD
Eff. Time / Frame : 00:01:20 - 115,256.4 PPD
okay what am I doing wrong then? cause im getting 2:27 tpf's
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 0:53 PM
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So quick question, when i get core 17 on my GPU (7970) would i be getting like 100k PPD?
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Should be. We have reports from several peeps on over 100k+ PPD.
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You should use the latest >=13.1 drivers on Core17 (it will use 99% of the GPU)
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:18 AM
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I'll make an edit if things change, but after 20% my 580s are at 53k ppd, only 3k higher than the first core 17.
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:24 AM
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:33 AM
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driver update doubled the 7970 pts. @ 88k ea now. but still not the 100+
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:39 AM
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CPU usage? did you leave a couple of cores/threads? anything else using the GPU's messenger ...browser...anything using hardware acceleration
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:43 AM
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I'll make an edit if things change, but after 20% my 580s are at 53k ppd, only 3k higher than the first core 17.
yeah ....my 570 barely gets a bounce but it sure worked wonders for 600 series
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:55 AM
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GTX480 on completed 7663. Edit: HFM started giving stats. Project ID: 7663 Core: ZETA Credit: 1600 Frames: 100 Name: 480-2 Slot 01 Path: 127.0.0.1-36330 Number of Frames Observed: 100 Min. Time / Frame : 00:02:49 - 37,564.1 PPD Avg. Time / Frame : 00:02:55 - 35,648.9 PPD Cur. Time / Frame : 00:02:55 - 35,648.9 PPD R3F. Time / Frame : 00:02:55 - 35,648.9 PPD All Time / Frame : 00:02:55 - 35,648.9 PPD Eff. Time / Frame : 00:02:55 - 35,648.9 PPD Final credit estimate, 6572.00 points With both my GTX480's plus SMP 10 the system has become sluggest when doing about anything.
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:20 AM
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yeah ....my 570 barely gets a bounce
but it sure worked wonders for 600 series
Unless things change, I'm a little disappointed. The Fermis have, up to now, always out-computed the keplers. I thought the 2X increase was across the board on nvidia cards. One thing that might be an issue is that one of my rigs kind of locked up when trying to update to the new core. After a restart everything seemed fine until the unchanged TPF from the old core 17. Is it possible that the rig is still running the old core?
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:31 AM
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The new core should have a date of 5/6/13 I'm pretty sure there was a forced update to comply with the new 17 core.project 7663. Mine auto updated.
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:34 AM
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No...the WU determines the core
and then V7 downloads the new core
I checked it...it downloaded a new core and used it
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:35 AM
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Unless things change, I'm a little disappointed. The Fermis have, up to now, always out-computed the keplers. I thought the 2X increase was across the board on nvidia cards. One thing that might be an issue is that one of my rigs kind of locked up when trying to update to the new core. After a restart everything seemed fine until the unchanged TPF from the old core 17. Is it possible that the rig is still running the old core?
Fermi only gets a ~5% increase in speed from openMM 5.1, kepler gets almost 100%, while GCN (AMD 7xxx) gets ~75% (all compared to the previous core_17 which was based on openMM 5.0). Fermi's reign has come to an end...
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:37 AM
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For more comparison and while I'm only about 3% in, my 660 Ti FTW Sig 2 (mild OC of +50) has the following for the 7663:
Est. TPF: 2 min 04 sec
Est. PPD: 58,891
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:41 AM
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So far past an present: Project ID: 7662 Core: GPU Credit: 1600 Frames: 100 Name: 480-2 Slot 00 Min. Time / Frame : 00:03:25 - 28,117.2 PPD Avg. Time / Frame : 00:03:25 - 28,117.2 PPD Name: 480-2 Slot 01 Min. Time / Frame : 00:03:18 - 29,621.3 PPD Avg. Time / Frame : 00:03:28 - 27,511.1 PPD Project ID: 7663 Core: ZETA Credit: 1600 Frames: 100 Name: 480-2 Slot 00 Min. Time / Frame : 00:02:59 - 34,460.6 PPD Avg. Time / Frame : 00:03:01 - 33,891.0 PPD Cur. Time / Frame : 00:03:00 - 34,114.5 PPD Name: 480-2 Slot 01 Min. Time / Frame : 00:02:51 - 36,907.0 PPD Avg. Time / Frame : 00:02:56 - 35,345.5 PPD Cur. Time / Frame : 00:02:55 - 35,509.4 PPD
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:53 AM
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This ppd increase is back on the beta flag? Not in the loop anymore xP I had to take it off cause my ppd was going down the drain.
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:04 AM
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Yes... Beta flag - Beta team
if you have 600 series or new AMD GPUs
titans get 120k
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:04 AM
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So is this open for anyone to use now? If so how do I start folding these work units? I would love to see my GTX 680 folding for 80K PPD.
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:10 AM
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Ok thanks Xavier, I just got my 680 last month so I'll just add the flag to that only.
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:45 AM
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updated the drivers and upped the core clocks some and boom! this is the second round tonight!  you better start running now XZ and AB! tracker has me at 800kppd and I have 2 rigs sitting idle for the night.
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 4:15 AM
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must be nice having a couple of 7970's right now  Im up to 300k PPD (will be more once I get my WC loop up)..so it does help a bit - just not against you wrinvert Just trying to figure on either 7970's or titans...Im just not partial to AMD for my next purchase.. I think I'll bet on the titans because of what Vijay said about making a cuda core as well (and it will be better than opencl)
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 4:18 AM
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Ok thanks Xavier, I just got my 680 last month so I'll just add the flag to that only.
it works on 500 & 400 series as well - you just won't quite get as big a jump in points (and probably not much as you go down the series number...like a 560 or 550)
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 4:59 AM
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Fermi is still not back on par with what it once did. With core 15 2.22 it did better PPD than it does now with this new optumized Zeta core 17. Core 15 2.22 Project ID: 7626 Core: OPENMMGPU Credit: 14093 Frames: 100 Name: 480-2 Slot 01 Min. Time / Frame : 00:04:54 - 41,416.2 PPD Avg. Time / Frame : 00:04:54 - 41,416.2 PPD VS Core 17 Zeta Project ID: 7663 Core: ZETA Credit: 1600 Frames: 100 Name: 480-2 Slot 01 Min. Time / Frame : 00:02:49 - 37,564.1 PPD Avg. Time / Frame : 00:02:56 - 35,345.5 PPD
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:04 AM
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your comparing cuda with opencl like apples and oranges and your comparing v2.22 against v2.25 (and you aren't getting 2.22 back) we 're gonna have to live with opencl for awhile (and maybe get Nvidia to do some OpenCL fixes) as Vijay said they plan to do a Cuda core once Nvidia releases a JIT compiler
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:09 AM
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Just saying there was a core that played nice with Fermi, but not so well with others. Some might say the same applies here with this new core. Nope I wasn't comparing 2.22 to 2.25 I was comparing 2.22 to Zeta.  
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:11 AM
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I agree core 15 V2.22 was nice - but we are stuck with core 15 V2.25
(for reasons of getting hardware working) and core 17
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:19 AM
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Just hoping with more work and better optimization Fermi will one day get back on track, its still a powerful card.
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:46 AM
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there is still more optimizations coming for opencl- and proteneer said "more speed coming" so it will get better and we need to really pressure NVidia to get some stuff done .. ie opencl 1.2 implementation (they are on 1.1) Cuda JIT compiler let alone any fixes for opencl
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:59 AM
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This same rig, no less powerful than it once was, did cpu+gpu+gpu for 100 to 115K PPD where as now it does 77k PPD at best and does the same work if not more. So are we really moving forward? It would seem not setting in my chair looking at the stats. But I'm sure its looking much better for others that only GPU fold. I do agree we will just have to wait it out to see how things improve, here's to hoping for the best for all folding types in the near future.
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 6:27 AM
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This same rig, no less powerful than it once was, did cpu+gpu+gpu for 100 to 115K PPD
where as now it does 77k PPD at best and does the same work if not more.
So are we really moving forward? It would seem not setting in my chair looking at the stats.
But I'm sure its looking much better for others that only GPU fold.
I do agree we will just have to wait it out to see how things improve,
here's to hoping for the best for all folding types in the near future.
I am a GPU folder and it is about the same on my fermis as the old core 17. Little change but a big change for Kepler. I have not run an ATI in years but if Nvidia does not improve their drivers then I am looking at giving them a try. The 7970 vs the 680 and the 7970 is A LOT LESS $.
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Re:Folding@home Core 17 Update video
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 6:38 AM
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this is just another "tide" of F@H. like I said in another thread I remember doing bigadv on my 920 and getting 60-70kppd, it now gets 15k smp. then for awhile you needed 4P for big points. now GPU farms are catching up. having alittle of each in my farm has keep me balanced over the last 4years.
based on what I have now costs/ppds are kind-of balancing out. some really rough numbers:
$399 7970 getting 105k 150watt draw
$450 680 getting 85k 160 watt draw
$600(roughly) 4P 110-170k 325 watt draw
$650 3770k smp getting 35k 200 watt draw
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