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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 07:52:32
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Yeah Tim I agree. Just a shame some people have to cheat to get ahead. Itβs just a competition to get people involved in Distributed Computing to advance science. There is no monetary gain so it must be a matter of pride. Nothing to be proud of cheating your way to the top. Just a sad situation.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 08:04:42
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gsrcrxsi Tim (UBT-Timbo) continues to turn a blind eye, and threaten anyone who accuses TSBT of cheating with a ban, but wont ban TSBT for actually cheating. and his response to being made aware of all these facts is "that's up to the SiDock admins and nothing to do with FB" which is just an outrageous response when the cheating happened to directly benefit during the sprint on FB.
I would urge anyone here that has an account on FB to voice your concerns and opposition to this behavior on the formula BOINC forums (I am unable to because Tim is so paranoid of anyone signing up to speak truths like this that he will not validate any new users on the forums). I would also consider boycotting FB for 2025 and beyond. there are better competitions out there that don't support and harbor cheaters.
EXCUSE ME !!
I do not turn a blind eye and I do not ban people without reason. So get your facts right for a start. (user Orange Kid was deactivated on the FB forum after trolling. This was his second posting which came after he posted an image BEFORE any information came to light about cheating issues with the SiDock project. And he did not like his image being deleted so, instead of being courteous and acknowledging that it was unacceptable, he raised the stakes by trolling, which is against the FB Forum rules).
Remedial action on the FB website will be taken once Sebastien (FB founder) and I agree on what should take place - until then be assured that I take your opionionated rant very seriously...
"that's up to the SiDock admins and nothing to do with FB" Do not mis-quote me on this - read my FB post again and see the context in which i wrote this.
As for paranoia ?? No one is barred from signing up on the FB forum - though every sign-up is checked to limit spiderbots and trolls - so where did you get that idea from....maybe you are paranoid ? Possibly delusional ? Have a nice day ! Tim (edited twice, for typo and weblink)
you have evidence of exactly who cheated. the project (SiDock) did the work for you and identified the cheaters, yet you banned the person who directly named them. it wasnt without evidence, but your favoritism to TSBT in their multiple instances of cheating is glaringly apparent to everyone except yourself. how long will you delay and make excuses for them? why walk on eggshells in naming the cheaters, TSBT, when you have irrefutable evidence as such. all the while fielding their private lobbying via PM. if nothing substantial is done about the team that has been caught cheating more than once, you will lose any shred of integrity that yourself and FB has left in the BOINC community. even now. just look at the incomprehensible totals for sprints vs marathons on SiDock. points were removed from TSBT on the Marathon because the project removed their points. yet their points and standing for the Sprint remain. are you running some Dr. Who Tardis kind of competition where "it's bigger on the inside" where one can have more points in a single sprint than they have Total for the whole year's marathon? Make it make sense. and yes, I have attempted to sign up on FB on more than one occasion, and the verification email was never sent. either you're not actually reviewing signups, or you think anyone with a gmail account is a "spiderbot"? should be listed under my username. but of course, what's the point in you approving my account when it's clear that any opposition gets silenced? (case in point, Orange Kid) your heavy handed approach to claim impartiality only makes you look more biased than ever. maybe you should have edited three times for typos? you forgot a couple :) enjoy your delusions.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 08:18:35
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 08:59:36
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gsrcrxsi you have evidence of exactly who cheated. the project (SiDock) did the work for you and identified the cheaters, yet you banned the person who directly named them. it wasnt without evidence, but your favoritism to TSBT in their multiple instances of cheating is glaringly apparent to everyone except yourself. how long will you delay and make excuses for them? why walk on eggshells in naming the cheaters, TSBT, when you have irrefutable evidence as such. all the while fielding their private lobbying via PM. if nothing substantial is done about the team that has been caught cheating more than once, you will lose any shred of integrity that yourself and FB has left in the BOINC community.
even now. just look at the incomprehensible totals for sprints vs marathons on SiDock. points were removed from TSBT on the Marathon because the project removed their points. yet their points and standing for the Sprint remain. are you running some Dr. Who Tardis kind of competition where "it's bigger on the inside" where one can have more points in a single sprint than they have Total for the whole year's marathon? Make it make sense.
and yes, I have attempted to sign up on FB on more than one occasion, and the verification email was never sent. either you're not actually reviewing signups, or you think anyone with a gmail account is a "spiderbot"? should be listed under my username. but of course, what's the point in you approving my account when it's clear that any opposition gets silenced? (case in point, Orange Kid) your heavy handed approach to claim impartiality only makes you look more biased than ever.
maybe you should have edited three times for typos? you forgot a couple :) enjoy your delusions.
Like I said (or can't you read?) action will be taken. And yes, certain email providers are banned as too many spambots try to register. BUT there's nothing stopping you sending me a PM on a BOINC project website to let me know of your "difficulty" so i can open up the procedure for you to register....but then that would be too difficult for you I suspect? But don't bother now, as clearly you have a vendetta with people who are fair, disciplined and straight forward... And re-editing the FB Sprint results is NOT a five second job, nor even a 5 minute job, so take your head out of the bucket and see the real world for once and what is possible, when processes need to be carried out by people who work for a living. As to heavy handed? Biased? Doubting my impartiality? You really don't know me AT ALL, so stop trying to wage a war...as you are wasting your time and mine.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 09:08:07
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i mean, you're the one who signed up on a new site just to argue with me LOL. you're only wasting your own time.
try doing something meaningful. name the cheaters on your site directly, yourself. you have all the evidence you need to do so. as to taking action, I'll believe it when I see it. and anything less than direct action against TSBT will not be acceptable to the community. It seems more likely that the only "action" you're willing to take is policy-wise in a "going forward" sense. I hope I'm wrong on that.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 09:26:30
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I say lets wait and see what happens. Sebastian is a very busy person and Tim stepped up to take over the daily running of FB. Thanks Tim and Sebastian for keeping the lights on, I'm sure they have other things to do beside babysitting and herding cats. There is roughly three weeks left in the year, lets continue crunching away and lets see what happens. Anyone banned for pointing out people cheating should be reinstated unless they were really rude and vulgar, but if its true there was cheating and pointing it out hurt their feelings too bad. Sometimes peoples anger can get the best of them, I know for sure. Lets give it some time and let the process play out. If by the new year its not resolved then I believe FB is over and I would hate to see that happen. Either way with or without I'll be crunching a few more years should I live so long. All we have is today and today I have much more important things to worry about than some nitwits cheating themselves in some competition.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 09:41:03
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bill1024 I say lets wait and see what happens. Sebastian is a very busy person and Tim stepped up to take over the daily running of FB. Thanks Tim and Sebastian for keeping the lights on, I'm sure they have other things to do beside babysitting and herding cats. There is roughly three weeks left in the year, lets continue crunching away and lets see what happens. Anyone banned for pointing out people cheating should be reinstated unless they were really rude and vulgar, but if its true there was cheating and pointing it out hurt their feelings too bad. Sometimes peoples anger can get the best of them, I know for sure. Lets give it some time and let the process play out. If by the new year its not resolved then I believe FB is over and I would hate to see that happen. Either way with or without I'll be crunching a few more years should I live so long. All we have is today and today I have much more important things to worry about than some nitwits cheating themselves in some competition.
Well said ! In the case of "deactivating" a members FB forum account, they made a public post BEFORE any cheating was proved when instead they should have sent me a PM - but they chose to post a graphic image that gave NO DIRECT CLUES as to what they were implying. The member then took issue that I deleted the image (which I regarded as provoking a flame war). And that's why their account was deactivated as they broke the FB forum rules in their response to this.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 09:49:06
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and the fact that you'd rather claim virtue in acting before you admittedly knew all the facts is hilarious. cheating was proven, you just weren't aware of it yet. that's a YOU problem. maybe you should have investigated yourself before the knee jerk reaction to take down something you saw as incriminating to TSBT and personal offense.
less than one hour before the next sprint starts and you're busy arguing on the internet instead.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 09:49:52
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gsrcrxsi i mean, you're the one who signed up on a new site just to argue with me LOL. you're only wasting your own time.
I signed up here as I was advised that you were slandering me by slagging me off - luckily I have more friends watching my back in the BOINC community than you do !!. So I am here to defend my actions and your lies. So, I'm not going to argue with someone who gets their facts wrong. gsrcrxsi try doing something meaningful. name the cheaters on your site directly, yourself. you have all the evidence you need to do so. as to taking action, I'll believe it when I see it. and anything less than direct action against TSBT will not be acceptable to the community. It seems more likely that the only "action" you're willing to take is policy-wise in a "going forward" sense. I hope I'm wrong on that. So, I take you are now the elected representative of the entire BOINC community? How very convenient. :-) And re-read the original post I wrote. If you just want to be an armchair critic about anything and everything that p155es you off, then so be it. Otherwise, just let people get on with what is needed, instead of sitting in your ivory tower, spewing hateful messages.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:01:37
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gsrcrxsi and the fact that you'd rather claim virtue in acting before you admittedly knew all the facts is hilarious. cheating was proven, you just weren't aware of it yet. that's a YOU problem. maybe you should have investigated yourself before the knee jerk reaction to take down something you saw as incriminating to TSBT and personal offense. As I have said before, if you actually take notice of anything, there was NO specific pointers as to what was happening. And in the past, some former FB members had posted spiteful and erroneous posts, caused lots of ructions within the forum with accusations flying backwards and forwards. And with no specific information, it seemed like someone was starting another flame war. So, there was "previous" history, which is why I deleted the image. gsrcrxsi less than one hour before the next sprint starts and you're busy arguing on the internet instead. I can actually multitask, as I sit here, drinking some rather nice mulled wine, eating a warm mince pie, typing words on a computer and listening to some great sounds while my lady partner is looking very sweet in her French maids outfit, before we head off to a fancy dress party. ;-) You see, some of us have a life ! PS: The Sprint will start without me being present, as it is all automated - thanks to Sebastiens superb coding skills...
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:06:12
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Ok you have to provide pictures of said lady in French maids outfit or it didnβt happen!
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:16:00
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clown world response as usual. you acted before knowing any facts, or even inquiring for any. nothing to do? the sprint page still says "to be defined" LOL. we'll see within the first couple of hours if the proposed scheme to take PG stats for GFN21 only and tasks downloaded at the start of competition only was anything more than bloviation. PG admin already confirmed that *someone* is hoarding mass amounts of AP26 tasks, that started when this additional sprint was announced. I wonder who would do such a thing.
post edited by gsrcrxsi - 2024/12/10 10:38:41
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:23:19
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bill1024 Ok you have to provide pictures of said lady in French maids outfit or it didnβt happen!
Or at least pictures of the warm mince pie
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:28:50
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bill1024 Ok you have to provide pictures of said lady in French maids outfit or it didnβt happen!
I have asked my good lady and she says that you can view her outfit if you subscribe to her OnlyFans account ;-)
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:30:57
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IcecoldTAAT Or at least pictures of the warm mince pie
Sorry, too late, I've eaten it already. :-)
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:36:47
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oh look at that. TSBT in the lead with the bunker. guess it was all just smoke about this "cunning" approach after all.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:38:12
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gsrcrxsi nothing to do? the sprint page still says "to be defined" LOL. we'll see within the first couple of hours if the proposed scheme to take PG stats for GFN21 only and tasks downloaded at the start of competition only was anymore more than bloviation. PG admin already confirmed that *someone* is hoarding mass amounts of AP26 tasks, that started when this additional sprint was announced. I wonder who would do such a thing.
FYI: (As you clearly do not know how the FB Sprints work 1) The chosen project is announced at the very moment that the Sprint starts. So, until 18:14 UTC it said "To be defined" and then when the server system clock updated to the start time of the Sprint (in this case) to 18:15 UTC, the web page updates and shows the project name. 2) As this is a very special PG Challenge to honour Willy de Zutter, I took it upon myself to instigate an extra Sprint and in partnership with Sebastien, a different coding process has been specially written such that only GFN-21 task credit stats will be collected. So, any other PG sub-project stats will NOT be tabulated. So, good luck to anyone who downloaded AP26 tasks, as those will not be counted hahahahahahahahaha AND FINALLY: TSBT have resigned from FB for 2025.
The FB website will be updated accordingly, when we can.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:40:50
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so you're not taking any action against them for 2024 and their cheating. got it.
it's a "going forward" approach. got it.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:44:45
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gsrcrxsi oh look at that. TSBT in the lead with the bunker. guess it was all just smoke about this "cunning" approach after all.
The FB stats SHOULD be being taken from here: https:// www. primegrid. com/challenge/2024_9/top_teams.html edit by Cool GTX (link) https://www.primegrid.com/challenge/2024_9/top_teams.html
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:48:04
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gsrcrxsi so you're not taking any action against them for 2024 and their cheating. got it. it's a "going forward" approach. got it.
FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME: Remedial action will take place. or maybe I should write this is great big letters so it permeates into that thick skull of yours? REMEDIAL ACTION WILL TAKE PLACE.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:48:46
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 10:53:12
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gsrcrxsi maybe you should check the stats on your own site? because that's not what's happening.
it's obvious that FB is not scraping the PG stats and instead pulling raw subproject data. you're embarrassing yourself.
I didn't code it, so I will need to check with Sebastien - however, he did test this previously, and it seemed to work. Like I said it is BRAND NEW code, so if it has a bug in it, I trust that Seb will sort it out.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 11:14:31
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Obviously it's just counting GFN tasks, but doesn't care when they were downloaded like the real PG Challenge does.
Just look at the pending credits for TSBT members on PG. They're hundreds of millions of pending credits.
Just like everyone said. A "certain" team would t honor the "good faith" of not bunking and only running GFN.
Surprised? Not me.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 11:26:55
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you set the very clear expectation that this Sprint would be for GFN-21 only, and tasks downloaded from the start time only.
the flub on getting the website stats working properly is one thing. but the fact that TSBT is rubbing it in your and everyone's faces right now is another. If you can't at least publicly denounce this action by them then you truly have no credibility here. This was intended to be a tribute to a longstanding member of the community and you rightfully pleaded for participants to do the right thing and crunch only the prescribed work. With TSBT acting in at best would be called bad faith with this massive amount of pre-crunched bunker of "who-knows-what" GFN work (it could be any GFN at this point, even DYFL, since all GFN subproject stats are collated). the only way for them to achieve such results so quickly is to pre-crunch a large bunker, and they currently have 100+M pending. They truly do not care about FB, Willy, other participants, or anything other than being #1 on your Sprints list. Great tribute you have there. Just cancel the sprint already and pack it up.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 13:31:07
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Looks like Seb fixed the stats. Good job.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 13:50:43
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lblanchardiii Looks like Seb fixed the stats. Good job.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 17:13:11
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lblanchardiii Obviously it's just counting GFN tasks, but doesn't care when they were downloaded like the real PG Challenge does.
Just look at the pending credits for TSBT members on PG. They're hundreds of millions of pending credits.
Just like everyone said. A "certain" team would t honor the "good faith" of not bunking and only running GFN.
Surprised? Not me.
I have a saying that I like to use once in a while and which is quite appropriate: "Those who can, DO, those that can't, CRITICISE" And as noted before, the coding was specially created for this sprint, and until LIVE stats were available, and despite prior testing, the code was not correct. Sebastien has spent time on this, this evening to fix it. And Sebastiens (and PrimeGrids) stats prevent any bunkered credits from being counted. So, BACK OFF and let people get on and do their stuff...and stop complaining. And PS: The work is BUNKERING !
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 17:21:49
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gsrcrxsi you set the very clear expectation that this Sprint would be for GFN-21 only, and tasks downloaded from the start time only.
the flub on getting the website stats working properly is one thing. but the fact that TSBT is rubbing it in your and everyone's faces right now is another. If you can't at least publicly denounce this action by them then you truly have no credibility here. This was intended to be a tribute to a longstanding member of the community and you rightfully pleaded for participants to do the right thing and crunch only the prescribed work. With TSBT acting in at best would be called bad faith with this massive amount of pre-crunched bunker of "who-knows-what" GFN work (it could be any GFN at this point, even DYFL, since all GFN subproject stats are collated). the only way for them to achieve such results so quickly is to pre-crunch a large bunker, and they currently have 100+M pending. They truly do not care about FB, Willy, other participants, or anything other than being #1 on your Sprints list. Great tribute you have there. Just cancel the sprint already and pack it up.
Your entire diatribe is clearly aimed to upset and cause issues with peoples mental health. Finding reasons to pre-judge issues and make bold statements based on your own delusions. And don't bother answering this as a) I don't care and b) all your posts are now on public view for all your community to read and to see through your campaign of disinformation and deceit. So, just go and swivel on something sharp and pointed. And PS: I had a great time at the fancy dress party tonight, where lots of honest, friendly people were having a great time...and you were sat in your armchair, with the demons in your head, thinking of how important and God-like you were to be posting stuff on the internet to all and sundry ! It's really quite pathetic.
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 17:22:30
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UBT-Timbo
lblanchardiii Obviously it's just counting GFN tasks, but doesn't care when they were downloaded like the real PG Challenge does.
Just look at the pending credits for TSBT members on PG. They're hundreds of millions of pending credits.
Just like everyone said. A "certain" team would t honor the "good faith" of not bunking and only running GFN.
Surprised? Not me.
I have a saying that I like to use once in a while and which is quite appropriate:
"Those who can, DO, those that can't, CRITICISE"
And as noted before, the coding was specially created for this sprint, and until LIVE stats were available, and despite prior testing, the code was not correct.
Sebastien has spent time on this, this evening to fix it.
And Sebastiens (and PrimeGrids) stats prevent any bunkered credits from being counted.
So, BACK OFF and let people get on and do their stuff...and stop complaining.
And PS: The work is BUNKERING !
Not sure why that's directed at me. I was merely pointing out what was going on. I suppose if it made you feel better then you're welcome?
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Re: Formula BOINC
2024/12/10 19:08:59
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don't worry. he says how much he doesnt care but still always comes back to try to have the last word.
still no denouncement of his TSBT buddies. why is it so hard?
while it's nice that the stats were finally fixed to be what was stated from the beginning, TSBTs intentions were very clear and that fact shouldn't be lost or ignored. they deliberately and intentionally banked on the possibility that the new stats scraping scheme wouldnt work or wouldnt be ready and they planned to take advantage of that, else they wouldn't have been dumping bunkers in the first few hours trying to finesse one more win with their shady behavior. if you think that's an acceptable way to behave in your tribute sprint, then that's your problem. no one else agrees.
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