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2022/08/25 19:52:25 (permalink)
I recently picked up an Z690 Kingpin from EVGA and I can't get the new TEC cooler from EKWB to work. EKWB does not have a motherboard compatibility list on their site, but I'm assuming it's not compatible with EVGA? While I was browsing the forums, I saw another member was having issues with EK's older TEC with an EVGA Z490 motherboard. I'm guessing EVGA has no interest in supporting this tech?
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/08/26 05:52:07 (permalink)
What doesn't work? It has a USB cable that goes to a USB header (like the front panel one) and software that manages/runs it. It would need the software (which runs within Windows) no matter what motherboard you hook it up to.

Also, this is their compatibility link for that product, but it only shows physical compatibility. The rest of the compatibility has to do with the USB driver and software package.

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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/08/26 06:41:39 (permalink)
OP is not clear if it is a "contact issue" - (cooler clearance) or software issue

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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/08/28 12:10:29 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Cool GTX 2022/08/28 14:39:55
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What doesn't work? It has a USB cable that goes to a USB header (like the front panel one) and software that manages/runs it. It would need the software (which runs within Windows) no matter what motherboard you hook it up to.

Also, this is their compatibility link for that product, but it only shows physical compatibility. The rest of the compatibility has to do with the USB driver and software package.


The TEC block in that link is only compatible with Z490 Chipset LGA 1200.
 
 
The new 2022 Delta2 TEC block is for Z690 Chipset LGA 1700.  https://www.ekwb.com/news/new-ek-quantum-delta2-tec-for-lga-1700-and-intel-12th-gen-core-cpus/
 
The Delta2 will only work with the latest version Intel Cryo software for LGA 1700. 
 
Latest version LGA 1700 Intel Cryo software is available from EK Support:  https://www.ekwb.com/customer-support/  
 
 
post edited by Braegnok - 2022/08/29 18:47:28


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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/08/29 05:59:24 (permalink)
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What doesn't work? It has a USB cable that goes to a USB header (like the front panel one) and software that manages/runs it. It would need the software (which runs within Windows) no matter what motherboard you hook it up to.

Also, this is their compatibility link for that product, but it only shows physical compatibility. The rest of the compatibility has to do with the USB driver and software package.


The TEC block in that link is only compatible with Z490 Chipset LGA 1200.
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woops. Sorry, I tried searching their TEC and it showed up advertised as their latest one, so I thought that was it. thanks for the correction!

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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/08/29 18:37:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2022/09/01 06:48:44
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What doesn't work? It has a USB cable that goes to a USB header (like the front panel one) and software that manages/runs it. It would need the software (which runs within Windows) no matter what motherboard you hook it up to.

Also, this is their compatibility link for that product, but it only shows physical compatibility. The rest of the compatibility has to do with the USB driver and software package.


The TEC block in that link is only compatible with Z490 Chipset LGA 1200.
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woops. Sorry, I tried searching their TEC and it showed up advertised as their latest one, so I thought that was it. thanks for the correction!


 
I did the same thing, was a no go..
 
Emir Z. (EKWB Customer Service) hooked me up with the latest software link.
 
Gen2 Cryo software 8/24/2022 version 2.0.2.805,.. for i9-12900K, i9-12900KS, and i9-12900KF: https://www.intel.com/con...-technology-gen-2.html
 

 
 
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/08/31 14:49:06 (permalink)
The TECs use TVB and from what I've seen EVGA boards don't support TVB

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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/08/31 16:43:12 (permalink)
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The TECs use TVB and from what I've seen EVGA boards don't support TVB

 Hello tresnugget,
 
The Kingpin board includes an LN2 mode that unlocks the CPU VCore beyond what's available in 'normal' mode,..
 
there's plenty of voltage options available, you can adjust all of Intel's TVB and ABT settings. 
 
I'm still figuring out all the OC settings in the Kingpin BIOS, playing with Extreme Voltage Mode, and LN2 Mode. 
 
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/08/31 17:34:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2022/09/01 06:48:51
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The TECs use TVB and from what I've seen EVGA boards don't support TVB

Hello tresnugget,
 
The Kingpin board includes an LN2 mode that unlocks the CPU VCore beyond what's available in 'normal' mode,..
 
there's plenty of voltage options available, you can adjust all of Intel's TVB and ABT settings. 
 
At present the intel gen2 cryo software employs automatic overclocking with Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB), and Adaptive Boost Technology (ABT) on i9 K, KS and KF processors.   

I'm not talking about increasing voltage. I'm aware of the ln2 mode. But with my 12900KS on my Z690 Dark, the boost behavior is different compared to my Asus and MSI boards with everything set to auto. Also there are no TVB settings in the bios.

Edit: TVB has nothing to do with manual voltages, it's how the CPU knows when and how high to boost based on temps and active cores like how the 12900KS boosts to 5.5 ghz if single core boosting and under 70c . Intel's Cryo uses OCTVB which allows the user to set how high the CPU can boost at different levels of active cores if under a specified temp. EVGA boards, as far as I'm aware, do not have this functionality built into the bios which would explain why Cryo doesn't work. My Asus and MSI boards do.
post edited by tresnugget - 2022/08/31 17:53:56

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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/08/31 18:32:45 (permalink)
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The TECs use TVB and from what I've seen EVGA boards don't support TVB

Hello tresnugget,
 
The Kingpin board includes an LN2 mode that unlocks the CPU VCore beyond what's available in 'normal' mode,..
 
there's plenty of voltage options available, you can adjust all of Intel's TVB and ABT settings. 
 
At present the intel gen2 cryo software employs automatic overclocking with Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB), and Adaptive Boost Technology (ABT) on i9 K, KS and KF processors.   

I'm not talking about increasing voltage. I'm aware of the ln2 mode. But with my 12900KS on my Z690 Dark, the boost behavior is different compared to my Asus and MSI boards with everything set to auto. Also there are no TVB settings in the bios.

Edit: TVB has nothing to do with manual voltages, it's how the CPU knows when and how high to boost based on temps and active cores like how the 12900KS boosts to 5.5 ghz if single core boosting and under 70c . Intel's Cryo uses OCTVB which allows the user to set how high the CPU can boost at different levels of active cores if under a specified temp. EVGA boards, as far as I'm aware, do not have this functionality built into the bios which would explain why Cryo doesn't work. My Asus and MSI boards do.



That could be bad news for me, as I planed on installing the Delta2 TEC on my Z690 Dark Kingpin. 
 
I still have a standard water block installed, and was going to wait till this weekend to switch blocks.
 
Guess on the bright side,.. you saved me a lot of head scratching this weekend, thanks. 
 
I think I'll just go fishing this weekend. 
 
 


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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/08/31 21:41:19 (permalink)
I've also noticed no TVB settings are in the bios. I've been trying to get single core scores with the Z690 dark comparable with my cheap Asus Z690 board using the V/F curve/C-states but cant. I can get somewhat close though. Isn't TVB a function of the CPU and able to be added as a bios update?
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/09/01 09:18:46 (permalink)
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The TECs use TVB and from what I've seen EVGA boards don't support TVB

They currently do not support TVB.  It conflicts with OC Robot in the BIOS and causes thermal throttling. 
 
We can add this back in a future BIOS or provide a beta BIOS for those of you who want it (I say beta, but it would technically be official).
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/09/01 11:48:33 (permalink)
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The TECs use TVB and from what I've seen EVGA boards don't support TVB

They currently do not support TVB.  It conflicts with OC Robot in the BIOS and causes thermal throttling. 
 
We can add this back in a future BIOS or provide a beta BIOS for those of you who want it (I say beta, but it would technically be official).


I would use those bios, beta or not. I dont use the OC robot anyways, Thanks...
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2022/09/05 09:40:56 (permalink)
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The TECs use TVB and from what I've seen EVGA boards don't support TVB

They currently do not support TVB.  It conflicts with OC Robot in the BIOS and causes thermal throttling. 
 
We can add this back in a future BIOS or provide a beta BIOS for those of you who want it (I say beta, but it would technically be official).


Yeah OC Robot doesn't even work for me on the Z690 KP.  Out of the box it goes straight to Code 71 and a black screen. 

Not to change the subject of the OP, but just to add support for ditching this feature on high end OC boards.  I mean, it just cranks up the voltage to get to the high clock speed instead of finding optimized voltage once it has found a stable clock. It should keep that clock and then back the voltage down until it's not stable, then drip it back up until it is.  It should take like a few minutes, reboot, test, reboot again, test... etc.  I have no idea if that is even possible, but at least for 12th gen and the future, the tech should progress a bit.

I'm creating a new post about this though...


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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/01/05 10:15:41 (permalink)
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The TECs use TVB and from what I've seen EVGA boards don't support TVB

They currently do not support TVB.  It conflicts with OC Robot in the BIOS and causes thermal throttling. 
 
We can add this back in a future BIOS or provide a beta BIOS for those of you who want it (I say beta, but it would technically be official).




Lee,
 
I'm planning on updating my cooling loop in the near future and I'm considering the use of these TEC coolers.  My only catch is my setup is a 13900k paired to a Z690 KPE.  So I'd like to be on the +1 list for adding TVB in leu of the OC Robot, either for future BIOs releases or beta BIOS distro.
 
The OC Robot only focuses on basic CPU OCing, why not whole system optimization to include voltage optimization (within reasonable limits) or memory tweaks?  Yes the Robot would take much longer to perform these tests as reboots would be required but that's the assumption when running it to find the best performance within the current pieces.
 
Also, now that Eleet has fan curves... Any thought to a "robot" to find an optimized fan profile for cooling at their specific setting?  While most reaching for max performance will have all fans running at max speeds, some looking to game don't want all the noise and the ramp up/down is adjustable there is no way to set the fan curve.  For example, my setting 1 in Eleet may be max performance the fan curve should match that specifically; my setting 2 is a slight performance boost for gaming so the fan curve should provide just enough to cool at a quieter speeds.
 
Just my thoughts, I'm always open to other thoughts.  But would really like the option to add TVB and TEC to my Z690.
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/01/06 10:55:54 (permalink)
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/01/06 10:56:26 (permalink)
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The TECs use TVB and from what I've seen EVGA boards don't support TVB

They currently do not support TVB.  It conflicts with OC Robot in the BIOS and causes thermal throttling. 
 
We can add this back in a future BIOS or provide a beta BIOS for those of you who want it (I say beta, but it would technically be official).





Is this available on request or something you will consider in the future ? would love a version of 2.06 with TVB, OC Robot is of little use to me.
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/01/06 23:22:22 (permalink)
Can we get OCTVB on Z790 Dark too?
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/01/08 20:30:36 (permalink)
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The TECs use TVB and from what I've seen EVGA boards don't support TVB

Hello tresnugget,

The Kingpin board includes an LN2 mode that unlocks the CPU VCore beyond what's available in 'normal' mode,..

there's plenty of voltage options available, you can adjust all of Intel's TVB and ABT settings. 

At present the intel gen2 cryo software employs automatic overclocking with Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB), and Adaptive Boost Technology (ABT) on i9 K, KS and KF processors.   

I'm not talking about increasing voltage. I'm aware of the ln2 mode. But with my 12900KS on my Z690 Dark, the boost behavior is different compared to my Asus and MSI boards with everything set to auto. Also there are no TVB settings in the bios.

Edit: TVB has nothing to do with manual voltages, it's how the CPU knows when and how high to boost based on temps and active cores like how the 12900KS boosts to 5.5 ghz if single core boosting and under 70c . Intel's Cryo uses OCTVB which allows the user to set how high the CPU can boost at different levels of active cores if under a specified temp. EVGA boards, as far as I'm aware, do not have this functionality built into the bios which would explain why Cryo doesn't work. My Asus and MSI boards do.



That could be bad news for me, as I planed on installing the Delta2 TEC on my Z690 Dark Kingpin. 
 
I still have a standard water block installed, and was going to wait till this weekend to switch blocks.
 
Guess on the bright side,.. you saved me a lot of head scratching this weekend, thanks. 
 
I think I'll just go fishing this weekend. 
 
 


Do these TEC work for the z790 kingpins?   And what's the possibility of an all in one bios where enabling TVB disables the OC Robot?

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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/01/09 09:20:58 (permalink)
Have you guys taken a look under the CPU Configuration menu?  Lots of TVB options on both Z690 and Z790.
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/01/09 10:51:48 (permalink)
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Have you guys taken a look under the CPU Configuration menu?  Lots of TVB options on both Z690 and Z790.


EVGATech_LeeM
Have you guys taken a look under the CPU Configuration menu?  Lots of TVB options on both Z690 and Z790.


Apologies. I think I may be confusing different Intel technologies. I'm looking for Per Core Ratio Limits. 


I'm hoping to 
  • Configure the maximum allowed CPU core ratio for any amount of active cores
  • Configure the maximum allowed CPU core ratio for a given CPU core
Also, is there any way we can see the internal VF curves?
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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/01/09 11:32:01 (permalink)
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Have you guys taken a look under the CPU Configuration menu?  Lots of TVB options on both Z690 and Z790.


just considered the TEC options.  Have not, but then again, I'm only about two weeks into getting things situated with memory and CPU.  I'll take a look

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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/07/19 01:23:46 (permalink)
Anybody here can tell me if ekwb delta2 tec works on kingpin z690 using the last bios? Thank you

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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/07/19 13:43:40 (permalink)
I wanted to test out a tec cooler as well on the z690 kingpin.. i have the cooler master one and a bracket kit that will work on z690. the only question is if software would work. i have read some reviews saying they were able to get it to work on 12/13th gen but they were running asus boards. Anyone have any knowlege about the intel xtu software and the stuff that you'd need to use the cooler master tec aio cooler?

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Re: Intel's Cryo Cooling on Z690 Kingpin 2023/07/19 14:06:01 (permalink)
There was an issue in one of the threads here where an EVGA rep (Lee, I believe) explained that the OC-robot required that the features Intel's TEC-software used to be disabled (this includes EKWB's and I believe Cooler Master's solutions). If memory serves, there was some suggestions that they offer an option in the BIOS to use one or the other or at least have a beta bios that turns off the OC Robot to use these coolers, but I don't remember if any progress was made. You'd probably want to contact support directly to ask about it.

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