Bmandi747
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What are the differences between the evga xc3 and ftw3 cards and is that difference worth the difference in price?
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nick_yanakiev
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/14 23:59:30
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Better components on the FTW3, higher factory overclock, design.
I personally went for the XC3 as I am getting it professionally overclocked anyway.
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/15 00:02:21
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It's like the difference between Asus Strix and TUF (Though in the case of EVGA I think the gap is a tad larger between the two SKUs). Aesthetic preferences aside, It's worth it IMO if you like to OC or live in a hot environment then you'd want the better cooling of the FTW3. Also the FTW3 should be better binned so they should be boosting higher than the XC3 so there is that.
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nick_yanakiev
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/15 00:17:15
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Good point. Keep forgetting about binning and the rather large influence that has on performance.
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/15 04:43:44
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nick_yanakiev
Good point. Keep forgetting about binning and the rather large influence that has on performance.
Especially now a days. This applies to both CPU and GPU thanks to their self boosting algorithms.
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/15 04:54:01
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nick_yanakiev
Better components on the FTW3, higher factory overclock, design.
I personally went for the XC3 as I am getting it professionally overclocked anyway.
I personally prefer the aesthetics of xc3 over ftw3
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/15 06:14:13
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I think XC3 or FTW3 is like choosing tires on a car. - Is it worth it to pay extra to get the best tires possible on a regular car? Probably not because the extra money can represent a significant part of the car's full price and then better invested in a higher end car model with regular tires. - Is it worth to pay extra to get the best tires possible on a high end sports car? Yes because the extra money is only a fraction of the car's full price and it fits better to the model of the car so it increases its global value. TLDR: get the FTW3 for 3080 or more / for lower end models it doesn't matter much
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/15 06:22:32
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nick_yanakiev
Good point. Keep forgetting about binning and the rather large influence that has on performance.
EVGA doesn't really bin the GPU, they just make sure it runs the advertised clocks without issue. You could get an XC3 that will clock higher then a FTW3.
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/15 18:48:04
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Neutro
I think XC3 or FTW3 is like choosing tires on a car.
- Is it worth it to pay extra to get the best tires possible on a regular car? Probably not because the extra money can represent a significant part of the car's full price and then better invested in a higher end car model with regular tires.
- Is it worth to pay extra to get the best tires possible on a high end sports car? Yes because the extra money is only a fraction of the car's full price and it fits better to the model of the car so it increases its global value.
TLDR: get the FTW3 for 3080 or more / for lower end models it doesn't matter much
This is what I think as well, it simply isnt worth the $100 for just a 45Mhz extra boost on the FTW3 and the RGB lighting (which I personally dont care at all for). And, as krams mentioned, EVGA is not going to be in charge of binning. Now if EVGA uses better quality components on the PCB then it maybe worth it but so far, I haven't heard anything like that...
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/16 01:33:47
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For the 3080 version, 1. FTW3 had a third power plug 2. FTW3 higher power limit 3. EVGA is supporting the bios for overclocking on the FTW3 4. Can't speak to the FTW3 cooler, but the XC3 is garbage. It's in the 80C range with mem temps approaching 100C. Out of the box, it down clocks to the 1750MHz range and barely breaks 11,000 in Port Royal Best I could get out of it was ~11500 with adjustments. The XC3 hybrid on the other hand runs around 55C core/70C mem and is rock solid at 1960MHz out of the box and did like 11600 in PR. With some minor tweaks, it's sitting around 12,200. I've currently got it under volted to 280W@1875MHz and it's still above 11500 running under 50C. 5. The power slider seems to be broke and doesn't do anything on the XC3. Not sure if it's the same for the FTW3? Realistically though, you are going to take which ever one you can get. With the hybrid cooler, the XC3 is a pretty decent performer but I'd trade for a FTW3 Hybrid and double the MSRP difference in a heart beat.
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/16 01:40:07
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I think its not like this, they try before the chipset to see how good it is and wich speed it can resist, its all tested, like in cpu, exactly the same..All 3080 are almost top gpu, but betters are in betters gpu.
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/16 01:43:57
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I say this and i just ordered an 3080 xc3 ultra. Maybe i will change the cooler for an hybrid because my region (valencia from spain) is warm, i will see, no problem. What i know is that all 3080 are greats gpu , and i will be happy playing 4k smoothly for a long time, i hope. Regards.
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/16 02:02:27
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Mostly just quality of the parts
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/16 06:40:58
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Power limit, 3rd power plug, bigger heat sink, and 1 additional MLCC capacitor. No. the ftw3 don't use binned chips or higher quality parts. XC3 3080 air cooler might run a lil warm for people with ****ty airflow cases like the H510. It was topping out at 65-70 for me on air, and 45-50 now on water, and this is around 2100 MHz.
XC3 is for people that want to leave it at stock setting or do moderate overclock at stock power limit. It is for people with solid airflow cases and not a generic solid front panel for looks. In my case it is 2100 MHz stable at 330 watts which is pretty outstanding.
FTW3 is for people that want to push maybe another 1-2% out of their card with 20% to 40% more power/heat, or just want a cooler running card at stock speed. Most 3080 chip is not going to go much higher than 2100 regardless of powerlimit, but FTW3 will have a little more headroom if you don't care about throwing a ton of power at it.
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/16 08:35:12
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Is the difference noticeable on the 3060s ? I wanted to get a 3060 or 3060ti but cant pick.
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/17 10:17:14
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jtj5002
XC3 3080 air cooler might run a lil warm for people with ****ty airflow cases like the H510. It was topping out at 65-70 for me on air, and 45-50 now on water, and this is around 2100 MHz.
XC3 is for people that want to leave it at stock setting or do moderate overclock at stock power limit. It is for people with solid airflow cases and not a generic solid front panel for looks. In my case it is 2100 MHz stable at 330 watts which is pretty outstanding.
My case is small, but has good airflow and still ran that hot. For perspective, I had a TUF3070 before this that ran at 277W and would run at 62C (was top 100 in PR for 3070s on that card until a month or so ago). The air cooled XC3 would only hit ~310W and was 79C/94C running Port Royal. It broke 80C/100C in another benchmark, don't recall which. In all reality though, I likely had a bum card all around. Not only did it run hot, but it completely died after about a week. To EVGAs credit, they got me a new one out within a few days. If it weren't for that, I'd probably be swearing off EVGA products for life right now. I'm pretty happy with the XC3 hybrid I traded the air cooled for though. I've got it at like 825mV/1860MHz and it is easily running 4k@60fps on ultra settings on all the games in currently playing. Does it at like 42C and is dead quiet after replacing the EVGA fans with Artic P12s. I'd still trade for a hybrid FTW3 and cash though just to have some head room in the future.
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Re: XC3 vs FTW3
2021/06/17 10:28:36
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03whitegsr
jtj5002
XC3 3080 air cooler might run a lil warm for people with ****ty airflow cases like the H510. It was topping out at 65-70 for me on air, and 45-50 now on water, and this is around 2100 MHz.
XC3 is for people that want to leave it at stock setting or do moderate overclock at stock power limit. It is for people with solid airflow cases and not a generic solid front panel for looks. In my case it is 2100 MHz stable at 330 watts which is pretty outstanding.
My case is small, but has good airflow and still ran that hot. For perspective, I had a TUF3070 before this that ran at 277W and would run at 62C (was top 100 in PR for 3070s on that card until a month or so ago). The air cooled XC3 would only hit ~310W and was 79C/94C running Port Royal. It broke 80C/100C in another benchmark, don't recall which.
In all reality though, I likely had a bum card all around. Not only did it run hot, but it completely died after about a week. To EVGAs credit, they got me a new one out within a few days. If it weren't for that, I'd probably be swearing off EVGA products for life right now.
I'm pretty happy with the XC3 hybrid I traded the air cooled for though. I've got it at like 825mV/1860MHz and it is easily running 4k@60fps on ultra settings on all the games in currently playing. Does it at like 42C and is dead quiet after replacing the EVGA fans with Artic P12s. I'd still trade for a hybrid FTW3 and cash though just to have some head room in the future.
That definitely sounds like a defective card. My xc3 3080 on air in a Phanteks P360 was topping out 67 in port royal with airflow fans in the front, and 73 with CPU radiators in the front feeding it nothing but hot air. It was only 2-3 degrees warming than my xc3 3070. With a hybrid modded for better memory cooling. I'm maxing out at around 51 core and 76 memory junction in furmark at [link=mailto:2050@.975]2050@.975[/link] or +150 core and +800 memory, with push/pull corsair ml fans. Mining at 220 watt is giving me 37 core and 84 mem junt. The biggest upgrade to the hybrid is not having to worry about PCB bending, as the cooler fully secures to the PCB. I've seen quite a few xc3 and ftw3 where the PCB bent so much that the left VRM dont even touch the thermal pads anymore.
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