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For an instant i thought it was a driver problem, but it's not. I was doing severals test with my EVGA GTX 1060 6gb drivers such cd drivers 375, 385.40 385.50 and 388.71 latest, the problem that i'm starting to face like dekstop lagging in games too, and in latency moon the NVLDDM.SYS keeps spiking alot..... And I already tried 3 NVIDIA cards such: XFX 9600 gt, EVGA GTX 580, and the current gtx 1060  With the EVGA GTX 580 latest drivers 388.71 windows 10-64 bit pro genuine Windows Ran the same game for 30-40 minutes (game is cs 1.6) I tested both PCIE SLOT 16 and x8 on my motherboard b350 fatality k4 gaming and its the same. PS: On this gtx 580 when posting to bios, the resolution of the bios in the logo gets like expanded, like 800x600 or something like that  NOW the EVGA GTX 1060 6GB 388.71 latest driver: BOTH pcie 16 and pcie x8 test (differnt slots) same thing: PS: I've ran more test on the same GTX 1060 40-1 hour and its the same, spiking and weird lag :/ ALSO I HAVE NOTICED that sometimes when posting to bios, the GPU can freeze the logo or take like 40 seconds or more to boot to windows.. (This happened to me twice)  Finally the GT 9600 NVIDIA XFX seems to be the one that has no problems, boot fast, no drivers spike at all using latest driver too 388.71 PS: i did download 3 different drivers 388.71 for Gtx 580, for 9600, and for the GTX 1060 as explained up, also tested 4 different drivers in the gtx 1060 Wit the 9600 i dont get problems :( but i refuse to use the 9600 :/ I did all this tweaks on Windows 10 pro 64 bit 1607 fully updated without 1703 creator or 1709 build, also tested GTX 1060 in windows 7 ultimate 64 bits fully updated genuine. and same problem. im tired of test  More proves that i test on gtx 580+gtx 1060+ 9600 XFX GT 9600 it is connected on the pci 16 i tested on pcie x8 too and this has no problems.  EVGA GTX 580  EVGA GTX 1060 6GB in this picture i connected to the x8 pcie express, but also I connected to the X16 pcie express PS: i haven't overclocked or touched this GTX before, i just plugged this came in 2017 July to me in Venezuela I think i registered this product in EVGA web-site   So what can i do? it seems both EVGA has the problem but mostly the EVGA GTX 1060 the one that i really like! i mean i had fun times in GTX 580 same the 9600 But i really wanted to know, does this is because of FIRMWARE? should i upgrade firmware? or what i can do? Does Windows have a problem on these series gpu 10? If so what can i do? also there is col-wine when doing winsat-formal in this gpu gtx 1060 Should i RMA? and wait for another if so, how can i do that? i'm From Venezuela. this is driving me crazy, i can tell the difference between xfx 9600 +580 +1060 the 9600 seems to have less lag or smooth desktop behavior... Hope this is the correct forum to post, also I know that EVGA has the most supportive community ever, you have such good reputation worldwide so thanks alot for your help
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Wednesday, January 03, 2018 2:53 PM
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HELP Also it seems that youtube video feels like in poor quality :/ Ramdom video at 1080 P
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Wednesday, January 03, 2018 3:52 PM
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Many times over history, a newer architecture of videocard has required a newer BIOS for a motherboard for the card to work properly ? I am not for certain that this is the case,..but it's a starting point.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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That PSU is an Toughpower XT 775W? This is a PSU from 2010? How long have you been using the PSU?
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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EyeDeeNo That PSU is an Toughpower XT 775W? This is a PSU from 2010? How long have you been using the PSU?
I got this PSU in 2011 but It seems to have good reads of 12v 5v, 3.3 while doing 3dmarks while HWINFO69 is running background, i can do a Benchmark if you want Also i'm not that kind of user that let their pc runs 24/7.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Wednesday, January 03, 2018 5:34 PM
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aka_STEVE_b Many times over history, a newer architecture of videocard has required a newer BIOS for a motherboard for the card to work properly ? I am not for certain that this is the case,..but it's a starting point.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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I am just trying help you think with different perspective. That PSU is still something I would scrutinize (even better would be to get a new unit to see if that solves the problem), even though not powering up the system 24/7 if plugged in an outlet the electricity is energizing the unit and six or seven years from manufacture of the unit it could be not producing what it once did when new. Also just a suggestion but if you can try and test the 1060 in another computer to rule out as that being a problem.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 04, 2018 0:44 PM
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EyeDeeNo I am just trying help you think with different perspective. That PSU is still something I would scrutinize (even better would be to get a new unit to see if that solves the problem), even though not powering up the system 24/7 if plugged in an outlet the electricity is energizing the unit and six or seven years from manufacture of the unit it could be not producing what it once did when new. Also just a suggestion but if you can try and test the 1060 in another computer to rule out as that being a problem.
And I really appreciate your effort, but to be honest i don't have more PSU such the 775 watts, just plenty of old generic psu not bronze 80+ just regulars of 400 watts very old. And the rest of pc are pentium 4 dual core normally pc :/ Here in Venezuela situation is tough u.u
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 04, 2018 1:38 AM
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What are the rest of your components in the pc's makes and models? How filled is your hdd or ssd? What games/programs are you trying to run/test with? Your not on a backup UPS system are you? That PSU being that old is def going to have natural component aging plus not running your system 24/7 is not as good as you may think because cold boots force your system to ramp up to full loads on the whole pc everytime, then come down and run at a continuous power state. Also, what makes it worse, is that psu's in pc's need to run very tight tolerances and efficiency's. You really need to run a multimeter on that psu, load up your pc and check those rails correctly. Do you have a friend with a pc that's at least somewhat close to yours? I highly doubt that gpu is the problem but that psu im def suspicious of. I just noticed in your pict, are you using two separate pci-e cables from the psu? You not using a splitter on one cable right? Thoses old multirail psu's need to be load balanced correctly so the rails are utilized correctly.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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☄ Helpfulby yakimov100 Thursday, January 04, 2018 5:22 PM
The new 1060 card only uses the 1 8 pin connection.. the pic your mentioning has an older 580 installed with 2 8pin connections.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 04, 2018 5:22 PM
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wmmills What are the rest of your components in the pc's makes and models? How filled is your hdd or ssd? What games/programs are you trying to run/test with? Your not on a backup UPS system are you? That PSU being that old is def going to have natural component aging plus not running your system 24/7 is not as good as you may think because cold boots force your system to ramp up to full loads on the whole pc everytime, then come down and run at a continuous power state. Also, what makes it worse, is that psu's in pc's need to run very tight tolerances and efficiency's. You really need to run a multimeter on that psu, load up your pc and check those rails correctly. Do you have a friend with a pc that's at least somewhat close to yours? I highly doubt that gpu is the problem but that psu im def suspicious of. I just noticed in your pict, are you using two separate pci-e cables from the psu? You not using a splitter on one cable right? Thoses old multirail psu's need to be load balanced correctly so the rails are utilized correctly.
Thanks for your comment, as you see I uploaded 3 differents pictures: The Gtx 580 one has 8 ports + 6 pots, thats why you see One Pcie express cable with 6+2 and 6 to. The EVGA GTX 1060 have only one connector of 8 pins<-- which i connected the 6+2 pcie express on that, also i tested a new 6+2 on that gtx 1080 and problem persist, also i tried the gtx 1060 cable which came with 4+4+8 pin, and problem persist So both EVGA GTX 580 and gtx 1060 have the same problem tried already windows 7 64 bit, windows 1607, and right now tried the 1709 same problem :/ PC Components: Motherboard: AB350 Fatality K4 Gaming latest bios 3.30 CPU: AM4 Ryzen 5 1600 (YD1600BBM6IAE) "Summit Ridge" "Rev b1" "Freq 3.2GHz" "power 65W" "Cache 3MB RAM: Viper Patriot Series DDR4-3200 (PC4-25600) 8gb (2x4GB) kit NON-ECC unbuffered 16-18-18-36 1.35v (SPD 2133) PSU: Thermaltake ToughPowerXT 775 bronze 80+ SSD: Crucialm500 (latest firmware i never fill this ssd it has like 150-170 free space) HDD: Very old that support Sata-ahci (even if unplugg this one) problem persist. PS: I ran default the bios all set to default, sometimes I just disable al (C-states+hpet) to avoid extra latency, thats all. Because i mostly play games such cs 1.6 but i can see in the screen like artifacts not horinzontal lines, such GLitch in the counter strike 1.6 weapons, or suddenly appears like a white line vertical in the weapon or things like that... ( i dont see that problem on the XFX 9600) Now here a few runs that i did on FIRE3DMARK recommend test TimeSPY score ignore the invalid score even with the first run of trial i get the same score:  Now the HWINFO69 pictures running on background while the TIME-SPY 1picture:  Picture 2 Picture 3  Last Picture 4:
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 04, 2018 5:26 PM
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I dont know if i need a Strong Software such PRIME95 to fully blend with all cores cpu, to see if the Rail 12 changes under HWINFO69? What can i do, does HWINFO69 is precise? i dont have a close friend to test a pc. The sad part in case i want to RMA this gpu i dont have the money to send back to USA :(, nor to buy a good power-psu Wish i can have a gold PSU +80 corsair or even an EVGA semi-modular or full modular... You clearly can see up in the pictures of volts 12V rails is good, the 5v too and 3.3... or probably hwinfo69 is not precise? PS: i dont have an UPS wish i have a UPS double conversion, i have a normal power regulator.... which doesnt help so much. But thats all, my pc never gets burned or what-soever. but yeah i would love to have ups double conversion + ground outlets, but i live in an appartment, also here in Venezuela electrician says that it is not so necessary to put ground on outlets because we have something like neutral i didn't really get to the point but, even that, i would love to full ground my outlets or at least on my pc room. But i dont think thats the problem, :/ x.x aff god.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 04, 2018 5:47 PM
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yakimov100 I dont know if i need a Strong Software such PRIME95 to fully blend with all cores cpu, to see if the Rail 12 changes under HWINFO69?
What can i do, does HWINFO69 is precise? i dont have a close friend to test a pc.
The sad part in case i want to RMA this gpu i dont have the money to send back to USA :(, nor to buy a good power-psu Wish i can have a gold PSU +80 corsair or even an EVGA semi-modular or full modular...
You clearly can see up in the pictures of volts 12V rails is good, the 5v too and 3.3... or probably hwinfo69 is not precise?
Spend a couple of dollars on a multimeter. Software is notoriously inaccurate for reading voltages. I'm kinda confusing what your issue is because you keep switching between 'lagging' on the desktop from 'DPC latency' to 'games feel slower'. You've not really provided us with the detail ON YOUR SYMPTOMS to diagnose the issue. Give us some more specifics on specific games and exactly what is occurring. Also have you increased graphical settings or resolution with the new GPU? Are you testing under the same conditions as when using the older GPU?
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:02 PM
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@H HeavyHemi
yakimov100 I dont know if i need a Strong Software such PRIME95 to fully blend with all cores cpu, to see if the Rail 12 changes under HWINFO69?
What can i do, does HWINFO69 is precise? i dont have a close friend to test a pc.
The sad part in case i want to RMA this gpu i dont have the money to send back to USA :(, nor to buy a good power-psu Wish i can have a gold PSU +80 corsair or even an EVGA semi-modular or full modular...
You clearly can see up in the pictures of volts 12V rails is good, the 5v too and 3.3... or probably hwinfo69 is not precise?
Spend a couple of dollars on a multimeter. Software is notoriously inaccurate for reading voltages. I'm kinda confusing what your issue is because you keep switching between 'lagging' on the desktop from 'DPC latency' to 'games feel slower'. You've not really provided us with the detail ON YOUR SYMPTOMS to diagnose the issue. Give us some more specifics on specific games and exactly what is occurring. Also have you increased graphical settings or resolution with the new GPU? Are you testing under the same conditions as when using the older GPU?
I have a Multimeter, how can i use? and my problem seems to be real to me, because i only play games such Counter strike 1.6 and Cup-head, and the problem occurs most in counter strike 1.6 steam all updated, like glitches on the screen, also I have like Overall visual lag, like my games doesn't feel optimals, even with steady framerates, leaving behind the (visual lag) this happens to me before in other systems, using the same PSU But on this GTX 1060 and gtx 580, it is weird that latency mon without anything opened, the NVLDDM.spikes alot and when opening Cs 1.6 just 10 seconds of opening the latency moon will throw an error in red, like Your system is not capable of real time performance and blah blah and the NVLDMM.sys will spikes 2000 US on gtx 1060 and 1300 uS for the GTX 580...
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:06 PM
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in my old MSI h55-e33 i3 2.5 and GTx 580 same PSU, i had the VISUAL LAG in games such DOTA2, Heroes of the storm, cs 1.6 (all with high fps) without droops (but i never payed attention to the latency mon)
Now having a new pc as mentioned early, the visual lag continues... high fps as always, not drops-out, but by checking the latency mon, it spikes sooner or later in both EVGA .... product
Also i notice with the EVGA GTX 1060 that the nvidia control panel goes slowww, also sometimes i can see like minimal glitches over the desktop... and in Counter strike 1.6 as i mention i see weird artifacts not the black-lines just like the weapon gets like bug in graphics
I know my English is not the best, but there is something weird with both EVGA GTX, and probably my PSU<-- .....
So wish i can learn how to measure PSU or GPU? with the multimeeter before sending as RMA?
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:33 PM
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If you're checking for dpc latency while gaming you're doing it wrong. It's normal to see spikes in dpc latency when the system is under a load.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:36 PM
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Sajin If you're checking for dpc latency while gaming you're doing it wrong. It's normal to see spikes in dpc latency when the system is under a load.
Counter strike 1.6 is a CPU Game not gpu, i just get 1% of gpu usage and less than 6% of cpu usage on Cs 1.6 so thats not an excuse with all respect. :/ this is not a titanfall 2 game, or Battle field 1 Even that you can check youtube users testing latency on Games such BF1<- and that wont spike so bad, my dpc latency spikes, the first 10 seconds when the game is running and this game dont use gpu resources at all just like 1% i can show u.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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What your describing yakimov sounds more like it's a networking/isp throughput problem. If your isp is throttling you or your network just isn't fast enough, maybe you have others in the house streaming tv at the same timeetc....,you can def start to see garbled frames and crashes. Also Ryzen isn't great at lower resolutions that are 1920 x1080 and under. Please tell us you don't have GeForce experience installed also?!! You may just have a collection of things going on.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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wmmills What your describing yakimov sounds more like it's a networking/isp throughput problem. If your isp is throttling you or your network just isn't fast enough, maybe you have others in the house streaming tv at the same timeetc....,you can def start to see garbled frames and crashes. Also Ryzen isn't great at lower resolutions that are 1920 x1080 and under. Please tell us you don't have GeForce experience installed also?!! You may just have a collection of things going on.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 04, 2018 10:46 PM
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That would be good.. but even better if the power supply had a good sized load on it durring.
It would be hard to do but one could prob the backside of the motherboard to get a reading from the pins durring load. Or make a connection from the top of the connector durring a load while connected to the motherboard.
I have not tried that.. but do the test in the video and let us know.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 0:13 PM
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Oh gosh i feel so happy and tired, because i feel like pro when doing things like using multimeter and testing volts etc,etc ^^,! Well this is it, first lemme put here the (chart) of 24 pins:  -So first-able what i did was to measure the Power-cable that is connected to my PSU which is 10A to 125V, them when i tested with A-C it gave me a 120.06 to 122.0 volts here in Venezuela everything is 110-120 so i think thats a good volt. -Second i also measure the monitor cable AC same 120.06 and sometimes 122.0 Picture of the connector of the power cable alone: 10A 125V  Thats perfect I guess. Now my Thermaltake ToughPowerXT 775 bronze 80+ has a 24 pin connector. So how i tested my psu? simple, i put the the paperclip bewteen the green one 16(ps-on) and 17(ground) and voilah, pass the switch to On, and connected power cable, and it worked them I proceed to grab the multimeter and use the black connector from multimer which is connected to (COM) and the red one to the (VQHZ) something like that SO them i grab the black one, and connected to the number 24 (GROUND) like in the picture, then i Just started from the top Orange (13) +3.3v also with the orange 1 +3.3v So lemme do here the list of how are my volts so you guys can see if its okay or not: Starting from the top of the list which is number 1 and 13 ( i will be take 2 numbers in pairs to the bottom so you understand better) Orange number 1 and 13= both -> (3.378) Orange number 2 = (3.378) Blue 14 = (12.14) Ground number 3-15 (none) Red number 4 = (05.06) Green number 16 = (none) Ground number 5-17 (none) red number 6 = (05.06) Ground 18 = (none) Ground 7-19 (none) Gray number 8 = (04.53) number 20= (empty socket) Purple number 9 = (05.12) red number 21 = (05.06) yellow number 10= (12.02) red number 22 = (05.06) yellow number 11= (12.02) red number 23 = (05.06) Orange number 12= (3.378) ground number 24 (none) So it seems that all yellow same number (12.02) All Orange same number (3.378) All red same number (05.06) With the different that purple is 05.12 and gray is 04.53 Also i grab the Multimeter and test the PCIE-EXPRESS cable connected to the PSU while doing the paper-clip test and it gave me 12.02 I dont know what any else i can test? also how can i do this test but with the PSU full use? The pictures take while doing this test: Something interesting when I boot the pc or power on the power supply is all fine the 3 lights green: -Stand By -PG SIGNALS -Temperature all green fine  But i notice when i turned off the pc, suddenly the PG-SIGNAL goes red for minimal of 1-2 seconds is that normally right?  I know my picture doesnt looks pretty but it actually is in good standing the 24 pin conector  But yeah i guess i did it well the PSU without being 100 load has a good reads ? right? Once again thanks for helping me, i really want to solve this problem, so do you think the gpu are the problem? or should i do more test with the multimeters? this motherboard is new from may 2017 i never overclocked just using xmp profile for rams... and cpu up to 3.7 guided by amd... u.u also never overclocked the Gpu :/
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 0:40 PM
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It tests ok for idle. Would still like a 12 volt reading while under load. Like a graphic benchmark. Just to see how low the 12 volt line drops under load.
But anyways.. no idea but if the 580 runs fine in the same games and the 1060 don't then I guess it must be the 1060 that is the issue.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 1:03 AM
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AHowes It tests ok for idle. Would still like a 12 volt reading while under load. Like a graphic benchmark. Just to see how low the 12 volt line drops under load.
But anyways.. no idea but if the 580 runs fine in the same games and the 1060 don't then I guess it must be the 1060 that is the issue.
You know what is weird? today I upload here a HWINFO69 picture about the volts, while I was running TIME SPY recommend test And the screenshoot was this, you can rigth click open new tab, to see more crisp: So this was a picture of timespy while running hwinfo69 background see the +12v (current 12.197) +12 ( minimum 12.091V) +12 (maximum 12.197) +12 (average 12.173v)  Now without doing any test just here in google-chrome: You see? this is weird  ... oh gosh, ill try another GPU STRESS software like ungine valley something like that to see if 12 rails changes or probably all is fine.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 1:45 AM
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No guys there is not doubt it is the GTX 1060 6GB faulty, because right now i reboot pc and when posting bios it takes like 2-3 minuts to enter in the bios, and when moving inside bios it will render so slow, taking a while to load numbers or settings....
Then when i notice that, i disconnected all SSD, HDD, OPTICAL drive, turn back the PSU, and same problem 2-3 minutes, i did turn off the whole pc, take one RAM, back to turn on the pc, same problem 2-3 minutes, so slow, them i take the second ram, and put the other ram, same problem
So what i did was to remove the GTX 1060 from the PCIE 16 slot, with the psu off. and disconnected from PCIE cable, wait 30 seconds and reconnect to the pcie slot, the bios goes like normal... again moving better, but when restarting the pc.. problem start over! 2-3 minutes
So for that reason i unplugged the gtx 1060 and put the XFX restarted many times, and it post to bios fast and through bios works good.
so to me is the EVGA GTX 1060 :/ causing ISSUES in bad manner....
and by connecting the GTX 580 it doesnt act slow as the gtx 1060 throught bios but it changes the hud from Asrock, like 800-600 resolutions...
So what i can do? it clearly no the system at all...
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 1:58 AM
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Have you tried using DDU, and reinstalling drivers??? In the pic you provided for GPUZ it shows Physx as not installed. Sounds like your getting conflicts of interest with drivers.
Also, used the gpus in the same slots?
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 2:00 AM
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Just mt 2 cents here. If the 580 works fine. Then it doesn't work with a new 1060 it sound like a defective 1060.
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