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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 2:10 AM
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Finally the GT 9600 NVIDIA XFX seems to be the one that has no problems, boot fast, no drivers spike at all using latest driver too 388.71
PS: i did download 3 different drivers 388.71 for Gtx 580, for 9600, and for the GTX 1060 as explained up, also tested 4 different drivers in the gtx 1060
Wit the 9600 i dont get problems :( but i refuse to use the 9600 :/
Driver 388.71 doesn't support the 9600 GT, so when you were testing with the 9600 GT the nvidia driver wasn't even active, or windows may have installed a older graphics driver that was compatible with the 9600 GT. yakimov100
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If you're checking for dpc latency while gaming you're doing it wrong. It's normal to see spikes in dpc latency when the system is under a load.
Counter strike 1.6 is a CPU Game not gpu, i just get 1% of gpu usage and less than 6% of cpu usage on Cs 1.6 so thats not an excuse with all respect.
:/ this is not a titanfall 2 game, or Battle field 1
Even that you can check youtube users testing latency on Games such BF1<- and that wont spike so bad, my dpc latency spikes, the first 10 seconds when the game is running and this game dont use gpu resources at all just like 1% i can show u.
When testing for dpc latency you should have all programs closed. Opening programs while checking for dpc latency will cause spikes.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 2:27 AM
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Have you tried using DDU, and reinstalling drivers??? In the pic you provided for GPUZ it shows Physx as not installed. Sounds like your getting conflicts of interest with drivers.
Also, used the gpus in the same slots?
Im telling you that even to post to bios, it causes conflict, BIOS goes so slow while changing from one tab to another tab, took like 2-3 minutes to enter in bios.. on GTX 1060, tried to disconnected SSD,HDD, alternating RAMS, and disconnecting HD audio and doing manual boot with a screwdriver and i realise that is the EVGA GTX 1060 conflicting... when i swap to my XFX 9600 problem solved goes more snappy more smooth, and take less than 20 seconds.. @phreakwarz77: well by tring the GTX 580 in bios it only changes the hud scaling of the logo, but doesn't stuck on bios, the problem is that the GTX 580 is kinda faulty too with the Latency in latency moon just started with less than 20 seconds and it will spikes so bad on NVLDMM.SYS. So i'm doomed :( thats the most sad part of living in Venezuela south america, to do a RMA cost a whole life... Because our salary here in dollars is like 3-4$ american.. while one pound of meat cost around 2.5$ :/ and yeah i'm not lying, is the true.. A RMA here to send back the GTX 1060 will cost around 30 or 40$ ...........i'm i never touched this gtx 1060 never opened never overclocked :/ zzzzzzz Wish EVGA can do something special such giving me in offert a new EVGA PSU and take my gtx as RMA, so i can pay for a new EVGA PSU, and they can send me another new 1060 gtx 6gb but.. idk how much money that will cost.... at moment i cannot afford because of situation here...
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 2:31 AM
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Finally the GT 9600 NVIDIA XFX seems to be the one that has no problems, boot fast, no drivers spike at all using latest driver too 388.71
PS: i did download 3 different drivers 388.71 for Gtx 580, for 9600, and for the GTX 1060 as explained up, also tested 4 different drivers in the gtx 1060
Wit the 9600 i dont get problems :( but i refuse to use the 9600 :/
Driver 388.71 doesn't support the 9600 GT, so when you were testing with the 9600 GT the nvidia driver wasn't even active, or windows may have installed a older graphics driver that was compatible with the 9600 GT.
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If you're checking for dpc latency while gaming you're doing it wrong. It's normal to see spikes in dpc latency when the system is under a load.
Counter strike 1.6 is a CPU Game not gpu, i just get 1% of gpu usage and less than 6% of cpu usage on Cs 1.6 so thats not an excuse with all respect.
:/ this is not a titanfall 2 game, or Battle field 1
Even that you can check youtube users testing latency on Games such BF1<- and that wont spike so bad, my dpc latency spikes, the first 10 seconds when the game is running and this game dont use gpu resources at all just like 1% i can show u.
When testing for dpc latency you should have all programs closed. Opening programs while checking for dpc latency will cause spikes.
Well to be honest i went to NVIDIA web-site section drivers i choice 9 series OS 64 bit windows 10, and in the driver it says it supports 9600 series... Thats the one that i Downloaded and sorry it was the version 342.0 for the XFX 9600 But for the GTX 580 was a 388.71 and for GTX 1060 a 388.71 too a different one ofc. When testing the dpc latency i also remove the view of icons in desktop, firewall turned off, antiviruses (uninstalled) any background software disabled, everything disabled, just the steam+ counter strike 1.6 running and the latency mon of course, and yep sudden i open the cs 1.6 it will spikes to 2000 us in the gtx 1060 Also the gtx 1060 is causing conflicts in posting bios, taking 2 minutes as much to go in bios and slow movements-slow renders.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 2:33 AM
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Also the gtx 1060 is causing conflicts in posting bios, taking 2 minutes as much to go in bios and slow movements-slow renders.
Could be a problem with the motherboard bios. Does the same occur when using older bios versions?
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 2:46 AM
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Also the gtx 1060 is causing conflicts in posting bios, taking 2 minutes as much to go in bios and slow movements-slow renders.
Could be a problem with the motherboard bios. Does the same occur when using older bios versions?
Tomorrow I'll try different bios from the Web-site of ASrock, this is the 3.30 latest, but... I really doubt that would help, because as i state, I just disconnected wait for 30 seconds and connect back the 1060 gtx and it solved, but when i restarted the pc, it starts over to post to bios taking so much time... Also i did the PSU test with multimeters and everything seems good. But yeah i know thats is not profesional to show emotions, but gosh you dont know how bad can be here in Venezuela because of bad goverment every private companies moved to USA or others countries.. now to do RMA or to test new pc components its difficult Hope tomorrow bring news about my pc, thanks Sajin, also thanks to everyone here, first post where i get so much support As always EVGA seems to be the nicest on support all members and Staff, thanks, going to sleep, have good night-day. 23:47 pm here.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 3:02 AM
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God I hope a different mb bios fixes this! What torture to go threw.
I'd try the first release bios.
Make sure to load defaults after and reboot into the bios.. maybe it's just a dumb bios setting.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 6:40 AM
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The only other thing that may be a problem is that you get a red signal led on the power good led. That should be green all the time. That may be related to your house not having a proper ground line, which I'm pretty sure you were saying earlier. That either may be damaging parts or not letting your PSU function correctly. You can have just a power and neutral for many things and begrudgingly live with it but computers and there tolerances are just too sensitive.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 2:06 PM
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The only other thing that may be a problem is that you get a red signal led on the power good led. That should be green all the time. That may be related to your house not having a proper ground line, which I'm pretty sure you were saying earlier. That either may be damaging parts or not letting your PSU function correctly. You can have just a power and neutral for many things and begrudgingly live with it but computers and there tolerances are just too sensitive.
Here in Venezuela we don't have ground like in most country, but of course ground it is very necessary i have a power strip that has a LED in color red, indicating that there is not ground, also in my Power supply or PSU thermaltake XT 775 the one that goes red is the (PG=SIGNALS) but it reminds green when pc is boot, but sudden pc is going off, like when turning off in bios, the PG-SIGNAL will fast.. swap from green to red in 1 to 1.5 secs them become gray with the others 2 of stand-by and temperature So to do a ground connection here in Venezuela the copper ore cost alot, and the connection too, the goverment here is very corrupt, also when you dont live in a own house its is complicated, but yeah i have read many forums in NVIDIA and Github about people claiming mouse bad feeling, or visual lag, they managed to do a ground+UPS double conversion, but probably their pc already gets damaged before.... like its happening to me but im no so sure, probably the gtx is defective... before that :/
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 2:07 PM
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God I hope a different mb bios fixes this! What torture to go threw.
I'd try the first release bios.
Make sure to load defaults after and reboot into the bios.. maybe it's just a dumb bios setting.
I'm on the 3:30  Ill try the 3:00 till 2:50 , because i tried already 3:20 and doesn't fix the problem.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 3:21 PM
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For the moment i'm using the 2:50 bios  And now when open latency mon and open cs 1.6 it doesn't spikes to 1500 US or 2000, reminds in 500-600, but when i flashed i ensure to keep under all default bios to flash from 3.30 to 2.50, but of course it happens the SLOW-BIOS for 2-3 minutes i was patient and wait to enter bios and press again f9 default, and restarted the pc and it goes normal, so i need to be checking this for hours to diagnose. I still get like a horizontal black line in cs 1.6 when disabling gl_vsinc under game a fast horizontal line appear in the game fast, (playing offline a new game with dust2 map) also i will do some Ungine Valley benchmark because on bios 3.30 yesterday i record like not coil wine, because was like weird sound, like weird, Anyway ill keep this update, because i goes back from 3:30 directly to 1:004a 2:50 hope is not the GTX 1060 :( ill keep this update, just please dont forget about this topic, thanks so much!
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 3:34 PM
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Looks like your latency issue was caused by the motherboard bios. I wouldn't be surprised if the motherboard bios is also the cause of the slow bios access/rendering inside the bios. The lines you're getting sound like v-sync tearing lines since you have v-sync off. Coil whine isn't a problem... https://www.evga.com/supp...mmain.aspx?faqid=59535
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 3:45 PM
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Bios Didn't help the latency mon problem on Counter strike 1.6 happens when i type -nofbo (to avoid gpu scaling to the game, and the monitor does the scale itself) when leaving the game does the scale automatically the counter strike 1.6 the latency mon will spike to 1500-2000 us by using the GTX 1060 But if i leave GPu gtx 1060 do the scale for old game such Cs 1.6 <-- latency mon won't spike to 1500 us So the Bios didn't nothing, because right now i'm facing the same problem too while restarting pc and bios post 2-3 minutes so this is a lottery
So.... the only way to fix the Bios post is by using the XFX or the Gtx 580. TLDR: 1: Games that not scale by GPU on GTX 1060 will result in High spike of NVLDDM.sys on both GTX 580 and Gtx 1060 (except the Nvidia xfx 9600) 2- The EVGA GTX 1060 continues to slowdown while in post to BIOS using the 2.50 sometimes i need to disconnect and plug it back, also it continues with (artifacts in game) even by not scaling or scaling to gpu there is artifacts (by playing offline) 3- GTX 580 does not stuck on BIOS, but it changes or modify the HUD 4- THE XFX 9600 doesn't present problems. So bios 2.50 did n0thing :(
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Friday, January 05, 2018 4:03 PM
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Does doing #4 listed here get rid of the artifacts?
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Saturday, January 06, 2018 1:55 AM
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Does doing #4 listed here get rid of the artifacts?
I really never overclocked this :/ running idle:  Running GPU-Z render test: Showing 3 pictures, so you can see the sensors on the right take 3 photos to show the whole sensors: FROM GPU temperature to Power graph  Picture 2 from Memory USAGE sensor to Voltage Limit:  Picture 3 From Noload Limit to GPU USAGE %  Picture 4 From CPU core 1 to Page limit (i disable SMT simulthaneus multi-thread to us 6 phiscal core because i dont run a workstation nor play heavy games) In these pictures i didn't tweak the MSI afterburner i know MSI afterburner brings options such frame-time, do you want me to bring that menu? Also are you sure that i need to underclockc this gpu to avoid artifact? i never oc.... 
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Saturday, January 06, 2018 2:12 AM
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On full EXTREME HD 1920x1080 
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Saturday, January 06, 2018 2:57 AM
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Does underclocking the gpu help get rid of the artifacts? Yes or no?
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:40 PM
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Does underclocking the gpu help get rid of the artifacts? Yes or no?
So your solution is to underclock a expensive video card such the gtx 1060 6gb provided by EVGA? only to avoid the artifacts? that's kinda sa, you see those 1873mhz+4000mhz thats the stock mhz that came with this EVGA GTX 1060 acx provided by EVGA. So it is very sad that users need to underclock their expensive GTX only to make it work? that's :/
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:52 PM
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Does underclocking the gpu help get rid of the artifacts? Yes or no?
So your solution is to underclock a expensive video card such the gtx 1060 6gb provided by EVGA? only to avoid the artifacts? that's kinda sa, you see those 1873mhz+4000mhz thats the stock mhz that came with this EVGA GTX 1060 acx provided by EVGA.
So it is very sad that users need to underclock their expensive GTX only to make it work? that's :/
No.. it's a suggestion to see if it's the card causing the issue.. as in if downclocking it temporally fixes the issue then that means the card has a unstable.set clocks and should be rma'ed to replace.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Saturday, January 06, 2018 6:30 PM
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Does underclocking the gpu help get rid of the artifacts? Yes or no?
So your solution is to underclock a expensive video card such the gtx 1060 6gb provided by EVGA? only to avoid the artifacts? that's kinda sa, you see those 1873mhz+4000mhz thats the stock mhz that came with this EVGA GTX 1060 acx provided by EVGA.
So it is very sad that users need to underclock their expensive GTX only to make it work? that's :/
No.. it's a suggestion to see if it's the card causing the issue.. as in if downclocking it temporally fixes the issue then that means the card has a unstable.set clocks and should be rma'ed to replace.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Saturday, January 06, 2018 6:40 PM
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I'm thinking the cards bios and the motherboard just don't get along with that super slow bios crap going on with the 1060.
I'd try contacting the motherboard manufacturer and ask them about it.. and or find a forum for the board manufacturer and see if anyone else is having the same issue.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Saturday, January 06, 2018 7:47 PM
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@Sajin sorry if i sound rude, but it was like tired, so i apologies, Ill try to underclock a little be with the guide you provided.
@Ahowes I don't know, it is difficult sometimes to contact Asrock admins are very un-helpful people :/ their support is not nearly as good as EVGA.
But to be honest i did many test and downgrade bios in motherboard and problem persisted. i haven't get more slowness regardless to usen the EVGA GTx 1060 before the bios post, but the first time that downgrade from 3.30 to 2.5 i get twice the same problem... so...
Also it is weird that both EVGA GTX 580 and 1060 needs yes or yes the (gpu scaling) in all games and even windows, to avoid (nvldmm.sys spikes over 1500 or 2000).
artifacts are not presented in the ungine valley running stock mhz. but ill try downclock a little to see if artifacts dissapeard on Cs 1.6 otherwhise i dont know what to do zzzz :/
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Saturday, January 06, 2018 8:14 PM
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No problem. If the artifacts aren't showing up in unigine it may be a driver related issue specific to the 1060 and cs 1.6.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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No problem. If the artifacts aren't showing up in unigine it may be a driver related issue specific to the 1060 and cs 1.6.
Thanks for your comment, well today i was like okay i'm going to test my whole computer out of the case  To ensure or check if i was getting any static inside the case, and nope........ play a few minutes of counter strike 1.6 and artifacts was there Also i remove the cpu-cooler also the old thermal-paste for a new one, i put only a (dot) like recommended in many videos, and in fact cpu gets betters temps Something i notice in UNGINE-VALLEY gpu benchmark is that, there is artifacts but in the grass, i will use a software to record the whole screen while on Ungine-valley so you can check the artifacts Somethings thats happens to on this GPu EVGA GTX 1060 is that i get AUDIO-STUTTERING like it can goes like robotic and thats ugly :/ till the point that windows gets corrupted the audio, also i always uninstall the NVIDIA HD-AUDIO because i use DVI-D I will be doing a GPU-BENChMARK one with the UNGINE-VALLEY+recording in fullscreen With this settings:  Then i will be doing a 3D MARK SPY TEST and record too the screen so you can see I will be inform.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:23 AM
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Try GEN 2 in the pci-e config.
Gen 3 is more sensitive to noise and transmission error, this would be a cause of slow post as pci-e is a synchronised technology, its also a source of dpc latency as things are transparently resubmitted on the bus till the data gets through ok.
PCI-E transaction errors can also result in corrupt video information, as well as corruptin in decoded video content.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Wednesday, January 10, 2018 5:37 PM
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Ok.
Sorry i haven't do yet the Benchmarks because the software to recorder the screen that i found was so meh like Camtasia and screenrecorder very limited, can you recommend a software to record the whole screen? thanks @squall: Gen 3 is more sensitive to noise and transmission error, this would be a cause of slow post as pci-e is a synchronised technology, its also a source of dpc latency as things are transparently resubmitted on the bus till the data gets through ok. PCI-E transaction errors can also result in corrupt video information, as well as corruptin in decoded video content. I have an AMD build which doesn't come with those features, sadly :/ my motherboard is build in PLX something like that AB350 Fatality k4 Gaming.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
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Ok.
Did the recorder with MIRILIS ACTION PRO, on quality mp4 because avi was to sized around 5 gigas, so with the mp4 quality on normal it takes 700mb the video I uploaded to Youtube 3 minutes and 720HD https://www.youtube.com/w..?v=8a8XYuCX4L0&t=2s
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 11, 2018 2:44 PM
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Didn't see anything abnormal in your video.
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:36 PM
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I noticed that on Real-time performance the problems happens, i recorded games with the software and there is not problems but, by playing on real-time performance the stutters happens, like in SKYPE and real-time performance games. :/
How much can cost a RMA from here to USA stores?
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Re: I'm started to get worried about my GTX 1060
Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:37 PM
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No idea how much it would cost to rma your card to the usa.
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