Stephenk291
Many reviews commented on it being a 10core vs 16core benchmark, intel even told many pro reviewers that the 10 core was the most comparable due to price point, which is what all the reviews I've read has touched on. That's the fairest way to compare them..price.

Not defending Intel by any means, but (for me anyway) I'd like to see equivalent core counts up against each other, at least for multi-threaded workloads.  To me, saying a 16-core chip beats a 10-core chip in a multi-threaded workload is like saying a Chevrolet Corvette is faster than a Chevrolet Cruze. I mean, 6 more cores / 12 more threads is a no-brainer in a properly optimized multi-threaded workload.
 
Of course, part of a good review of this sort would be the whole value proposition: is Intel's higher price point worth it?  I would suspect not, at least not as much more as they are charging, and so would expect points to be deducted from Intel in this area. 

Cristiancl

Stephenk291
Many reviews commented on it being a 10core vs 16core benchmark, intel even told many pro reviewers that the 10 core was the most comparable due to price point, which is what all the reviews I've read has touched on. That's the fairest way to compare them..price.

Not at all. There is no law stating that a 16 core CPU should cost U$999. Different products have different prices, it's not like it's the same products. Sure, both are CPU's, but they carry different technologies, and while i appreciate AMD effort to be back at the game, Intel has definitely a better polished product. Yeah, they messed up with TIM, and they're greedy (who can blame them? they didn't even have a competitor for years!) but their product has better technology hardware-wise and software-wise, that had been developed over the years. Not that AMD makes bad products, their cost/benefit is great! but at the end of the day, me, the consumer, who will spend my hard earned money, where should i spend it on? On a product that is more expensive, but that it's better and won't fail me, or a new product with a new technology that hadn't been tested over a long period of time that is cheaper and is a bit worse than the expensive one, which can fail at any time, depend on software (AMD GPU has the worst drivers) to properly use it. If i want the best out of my money, i'll stick with Intel. But hey, competition is good! AMD should sell a lot of CPUs so they force intel to develop better CPUs and lower prices! There's always the low hanging fruit.

You should know that CPUs are heavily tested and essentially failure-proof by the time they leave the factory. In fact, AMD has had less bugs in their Ryzen uarch than Intel has had over these past few generations.
 
Furthermore, CPUs are *not* "driver-dependent", so software is a complete non-issue. The technologies being used in the newer AMD processors are a bit inferior to Intel's, but they are much more scalable, much cheaper, and importantly - just as reliable. 
 
 

So waiting for these boards I am finally going to upgrade my Z77 FTW

quadlatte
they will release them then intel will release a "updated" cpu that requires a new chipset a few weeks later. 

Pretty much shooting the platform in the knee caps in my opinion.

I did a Ryzen build instead of waiting and it's just meh. I'm switching back. All around it just felt inferior, every overclock a battle. Still not going to wait though, went with a competitors X299 MATX board, love EVGA but stat wise I'm not seeing an advantage worth waiting for.

Yep, that's right. Ordered it from Superbiiz and it got here a few days ago. It's readily available.

Come on chaps lets see some Z370 mobo pics/news EVGA =)
 
Seen some MSI and Asrock ones this morning.
 
To EVGA - Get in front of the competition fellas!

Iamrogue
better leave the mobo business to the pros and keep providing gpus only
we all know it is going this direction

I wouldn't be so harsh. For motherboards the first one that always used to come to my mind first was Asus, always went to Asus in the past for mobos. But if you compare their current lineup of boards even the little Micro comes with some really important features on the boards that all Asus boards except Deluxe, APEX and Extreme lack.
 
For an overclocker it's important to have for example both a little debug display and a dedicated power and reset button, most Asus boards have neither nor or only the buttons or only the display which sucks tbh. Also EVGA  added this easily swappable bios chip, which is pretty nice to have imho just in case. While they might lack some of the fancy software Asus provides (which honestly has caused multiple problems for many users in the past) they at least have their own usb bios flashing which is always handy. They got not as much RGB which is fine with me personally since I'm not a huge fan of it. On many boards it's getting out of hand (gigabyte *cough cough*). On the OC features the Asus Strix is a complete rip off, you don't get no power/reset button nor a debug display on a mid to high end board marketed with strong overclocking support... Stick gaming to the name and the stupid crowd will buy it I guess. Asus boards other than Apex Extreme and Strix all look somehow outdated, not very pleasing at all. Evga on the other hand is improving each generation and I feel like they nailed the aesthetics this time. Also VRM and mosfet components are very good on EVGA.
 
One thing though is the bios. Huge plus for Asus in the past, many options. Really hope EVGA brings it on this time with the right amount of options for enthusiasts and with good memory support. Hope there won't be any major hick-ups. At least even the little Micro is proven to be an outstanding platform even for powerhungy chips. Kingpin managed to get some impressive overclocks on LN2 on it and shattered some world records (admittedly mostly because of his gpus but also his 7900X was heavily overclocked and according to his facebook, it was some easily achievable and save settings).
 
EVGA lacks behind in onboard audio, which is okay if you use a dedicated soundcard, misses some customisation options (mostly RGB and 3D printing readyness if someone is into that), which doesn't hurt me so bad. Does sadly for me not have a single temp sensor plug on the Micro, but then again most other users won't miss it. And it's harder to get watercooling blocks for the VRMs but I figured something out. I wonder though while EVGA always works together with EK on the Hydro Copper series video cards ewhy they don't provide some water blocks for their boards themselves. I'm sure there would be plenty of customers wanting to get those from EVGA directly instead of DIY solutions.
 
All in all and upon closer inspection EVGA actually provides many essential enthusiast options even on their entry level boards that you would have to pay a hefty price premium for products of the competition just for product diversity politics.
 

ccosborne3
Yep, that's right. Ordered it from Superbiiz and it got here a few days ago. It's readily available.

 
Be aware the Msi X299M Carbon AC doesn't come with the good VRMs/mosfets of it's bigger brother. Instead it shares the aweful component selectios and placing (back of the board unable to be cooled properly) of their entry level boards (Raider, SLI, Tomahawk) that show the most VRM overheating. 
 

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/923/WHz2DM.png
 
So I decided to wait for the Micro. The option for a second M.2 device would have been nice, but then again my 1TB Samsung 960 Pro will be be more than sufficient for my needs for some time.