I'm still waiting to see what Threadripper's performance is. Hopefully its not a dud because that price to performance ratio will be huge.  If it's optimized I might make the switch back to AMD which would be the first time since my old Athlon X2 6400.
I'm still looking at x299 boards but I need mATX and not many vendors seem to have them available at all.

Stephenk291
I'm still looking at x299 boards but I need mATX and not many vendors seem to have them available at all.

^This 
 
Have an mATX build. While EVGA isn't usually my go-to brand when it comes to motherboards, they are currently the only ones who have a mATX board in the works. Since SLI is pretty much a sinking ship I don't need a big motherboard anymore. Rly hope it turns out well... that single 8pin though... don't care about LEDs but if it lacks the power to drive and overclock an 12 Core and is much more than 250 I might wait for ASUS. They are currently looking into it and passed the request onto R&D
 
oh and I bet there won't be a single mATX threadripper board... I mean look at the size of the socket.

cateno
hello
shop in germany  date for asus apex and  RE6 on  30-08-2017  , I wait the dark for same date ... please EVGA

That's the worst case scenario. ASUS had beginning of august as expected release date, with a window of 1 month.

iskren87
Will those motherboards appear in DIY Configurator ? I really want to get as much as I can from EVGA.

Yea, when they are in stock.

Ah that Apex was my other choice. I think Ill stick to EVGA. 
 

hello I see only this shop have a date for the first delivery in EU the other eshop not in catalog
 
https://www.mindfactory.d...e-VI-APEX_1175251.html
 

apex already in stock, rampage will be available in last 8 days of August

I'm somewhat surprised no other mATX boards are floating out there, its pretty much one of the reasons why I haven't pulled the trigger on the 7820x  yet, I want to keep my mATX form factor, plus I'm cheap and don't feel like buying a new case.
 
same goes with x399 threadripper mATX boards..so if the performance is good and they offer matx I very well may end up switching sides for the first time since Athlon x2.

tusharsingal
Agreed - this is the only mATX board aside from the MSI X299M Pro Carbon AC.

Whichever board comes out first will be the one I'll buy - I've been waiting since SL-X was announced and I have every part but the motherboard.

uhh nice find! always good to have options.
 
Interestingly on the only picture I found, it said the msi board would basically not support kabylake-x. and also it has an aditional 6pin near the pcie slots... not sure about that. The heatsink on the vrms though... seems to be pretty inefficient to say the least. Still leaning more towards evga's offering also I like the looks better.

Vlada011
Than OK. 
But anyway is good because X299 Dark have small slot if someone want dedicate sound card.
It's not rear that manufacturer of high end motherboards forgot him completely. Usually ASRock.
 
It would be nice to Nateman launch Monoblock for X299 Dark.
I think he could build block for CPU and VRM from one peace.
You can't imagine how she could look with shield and Monoblock.
 
I must say that 4 DIMM slot are maybe better for overclocking of RAM but it's good for people who can't afford kit with 8.
Example 8x8 or 8x16GB. Better look all slots full than 4 of them empty.
Because of that for me that's not flaw at all.
Small number of people need 128GB over 64GB and in same time want this type of motherboards.
Gamers mostly 4x4 or 4x8GB or rearly 4x16GB. 
 

True, but since that X299 Dark is such an amazing MOBO it's a shame that it's limited to only 64GB of memory. It would be perfect if it had 8 memory slots. Overclocking the memory with 4 or 8 sticks has very little difference to justify it.

I will be building TR machine this month, also have full portfolio of intel 2066 cpus, let me know what performance comparation intrest you and i might be able to answer your questions cost free

Well threadripper didn't convince me. All the reviews are overly hyped about it also reviewers play down every clear negative. Maybe at heart some wish AMD succeeds but I think they got carried away a little with the hype train. Some others are just biased with things like "I can't understand how anyone would buy skylakeX" yeah right. I guess it's not unusual to critique the top dog while sympathizing with the underdog.
 I imagine the overall use of the plattform isn't as hasle-free as one would have wished. for example having to use the AMD software called master or whatever to always flick switches like for starters switch to game mode (which requires a reboot and disables 1 die dafuq?) thats hella awkward. Or these two system memory access modes, again one is good for gaming one is good for other workloads... meh. also tiny tom logan from OC3D measured more than 600watts power usage from his measly overclock to just 4Ghz somehow its ok and even great...wait what? where is the outcry about high powerdraw and high temps there? Just imagine an intel processor had this much powerdraw under any circumstance. Also 5% best ryzen dies?! well I knew it wouldn't overclock good but if this is the best their best silicon can do...
As far as I'm concerned, yes they offer a great price to performance value but only if you do some professional work on them. As soon as gaming or mixed workloads and overclocking comes into play they fall way behind even with fiddling with their reboot-requiring game mode and memory access modes ... nah man I'm not sold on threadripper. Skylake X is way more well rounded. Here I can play games while streaming and don't have to worry about if I'm leaving performance on the road by selecting the wrong memory access mode or not. I mean intel cheaped out on the tim yes that sucks, but then again these are big and hungry chips, what do ppl expect for thermal performance? if you leave a grand on the table for a cpu one would expect you can afford some decent cooling aswell. Also every SkylakeX 10 core achieves 4.5 Ghz easily with low volts on all cores. What else do you want. It's basically just the cheap tim holding you back. Sry for the rant. But I really think threadripper is just way overhyped. Hopefully at least it leads to intel dropping their prices a little or vendors have to drop their shop prices to empty shelves. 

Stephenk291

Snipes7
Well threadripper didn't convince me. All the reviews are overly hyped about it also reviewers play down every clear negative. Maybe at heart some wish AMD succeeds but I think they got carried away a little with the hype train. Some others are just biased with things like "I can't understand how anyone would buy skylakeX" yeah right. I guess it's not unusual to critique the top dog while sympathizing with the underdog.
 I imagine the overall use of the plattform isn't as hasle-free as one would have wished. for example having to use the AMD software called master or whatever to always flick switches like for starters switch to game mode (which requires a reboot and disables 1 die dafuq?) thats hella awkward. Or these two system memory access modes, again one is good for gaming one is good for other workloads... meh. also tiny tom logan from OC3D measured more than 600watts power usage from his measly overclock to just 4Ghz somehow its ok and even great...wait what? where is the outcry about high powerdraw and high temps there? Just imagine an intel processor had this much powerdraw under any circumstance. Also 5% best ryzen dies?! well I knew it wouldn't overclock good but if this is the best their best silicon can do...
As far as I'm concerned, yes they offer a great price to performance value but only if you do some professional work on them. As soon as gaming or mixed workloads and overclocking comes into play they fall way behind even with fiddling with their reboot-requiring game mode and memory access modes ... nah man I'm not sold on threadripper. Skylake X is way more well rounded. Here I can play games while streaming and don't have to worry about if I'm leaving performance on the road by selecting the wrong memory access mode or not. I mean intel cheaped out on the tim yes that sucks, but then again these are big and hungry chips, what do ppl expect for thermal performance? if you leave a grand on the table for a cpu one would expect you can afford some decent cooling aswell. Also every SkylakeX 10 core achieves 4.5 Ghz easily with low volts on all cores. What else do you want. It's basically just the cheap tim holding you back. Sry for the rant. But I really think threadripper is just way overhyped. Hopefully at least it leads to intel dropping their prices a little or vendors have to drop their shop prices to empty shelves. 

all the reviews are overly hyped? Not sure which ones you look at but some popular ones like PCPER and AnandTech were critical in their reviews stating it is not the premium platform if you're purely a gamer and the benches speak for themselves in that manner..  I have not one read actual professional review where someone is specifically dumping on intel, At most they stated if you're looking for a platform that is a clear winner in terms of price & performance it was TR.  There is no way in reviews to mask the results that show intel has the better single core performance and the edge in gaming and every legitimate review shows that intel beats AMD there.  As far as switching between the modes, you don't have to and it was recommended to leave it at its default setting which when you flipped between NUMA vs UMA it didn't make that much of a difference.
 
I'm going to save my judgement to see what the $549 version can do and see what Coffee lake has to offer before I pull the trigger but I'm not a huge gamer anymore so I'd rather have the workstation capable of handling virtualized workloads that I can use for work/testing purposes.  AMD is on the right track, at this point its fine tuning certain areas of their design and architecture. I'm certainly tired of their jacked up prices so I hope AMD continues to make them have to work for it.

I agree with both of you.  I do think there are some hyped up TR reviews.  With perhaps a few exceptions no one points out the obvious that they are comparing a 10 core to a 16 core and the 10 core still holds it own and then some in many applications and definitely in games.  I guess they have nothing else to compare it to at this time and I do understand the price comparison piece.  It would appear once Intel releases the next round of processors they will "handily" defeat TR but by how much is a guess based on what Intel's current middle of the road HEDT chip does to AMD's current top of the line.  It will be interesting to see if this presumed performance boost justifies a higher price. Who knows maybe AMD has an ace up their sleeve.  :)
 
I am not sure if we will see Intel price reductions this round but hopefully this competition brings some things back into alignment price wise.

Vlada011
AMD Threadripper with 16 cores make arround 58.000 Geekbench.
Intel with 16 cores make arround 72.000 Geekbench.
Difference in price is arround 500$ more.
 

That is 25% more perfomance

Cristiancl

Vlada011
AMD Threadripper with 16 cores make arround 58.000 Geekbench.
Intel with 16 cores make arround 72.000 Geekbench.
Difference in price is arround 500$ more.
 

That is 25% more perfomance

My i7-5820K on 4200MHz have 28.000.
Half of Intel 16 cores, but fps in games is same or 5% more or less between them.
My CPU cost 200-300$ and he cost 1500$ difference in gaming is not visible.
But if you replace GPU difference become HUGE. 
 
I would really like to change 6 cores for 8 cores, i7-5960X or i7-6900K or i7-7820X.
I could do some tricks, to sell my CPU and GPU and cover cost of used
i7-5960X or similar thing anyway I have money for GPU upgrade.
 
Or I could wait completely new Intel socket.
X299 will not have some nice refresh as X79 and X99. With X99 you could buy i7-5930K for 400-500$ and later for 2 years i7-6900K with 2 more cores or i7-6950X with 4 more and much bigger performance.
Now models are on table, Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X aka "Intels Lobotomy" are here. 
X99 and X79 was great platforms, X299 not deserve to be with them because thermal paste and price and because AMD is very good option. X79 and X99 dominate on market completely and when you payed 1000$ you know what you pay, complete domination. Now you need to pay 2000$ for same and still AMD will be close.
i7-3960X or i7-4960X and i7-5960X completely destroyed all competitors.
Now for 1000$ you are slower than AMDs 700$ worth CPU.
That will be significant impact on profit.