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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 11:44:10 (permalink)
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"Virtually Silent Operation, Variable controlled fans allow dynamic fan speed based on gpu temperature, and the water cooling efficiency means very low fan noise."
 
Source: https://www.evga.com/prod...aspx?pn=400-HY-5388-B1




Unfortunately, the reality is that the fan does not run silent, nor anywhere near it.  The 2-pin solution to split off the PWM fan header on the card's PCB doesn't work as well as one might hope.  I used my own solution for my SC2 Hybrid:
 
1) Removed EVGA's 2-pin fan and replaced it with a Noctua SSO2 120mm 4-pin PWM high static pressure radiator fan:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KFCR5BA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
2) Plugged the Noctua fan into a PWM fan header on the motherboard
 
3) Installed an Uxcell TC 2-pin Temp sensor onto the motherboard and the probe was placed onto the exterior of the radiator to measure the air exhaust temperature:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DDH68CK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
4) Using the Asus software suite, I created a custom fan curve for the fan header on the motherboard controlling the Noctua fan and selected the Uxcell TC as the source for the temperature monitoring; I used several high load GPU benchmarks to determine the range of the radiator exhaust air temperatures and adjusted the custom fan curve accordingly
 
Temps and fan noise are lower now vs. the stock configuration





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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 13:24:23 (permalink)
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i thought the radiator fan was 100% power 100% of the time?

It's dynamic based on coolant temp.


Pretty sure the radiator fan is static fixed 12v.  It's a two wire fan no PWM.


"Virtually Silent Operation, Variable controlled fans allow dynamic fan speed based on gpu temperature, and the water cooling efficiency means very low fan noise."
 
Source: https://www.evga.com/prod...aspx?pn=400-HY-5388-B1




It certainly does say that.  However, the fan is a two wire fan. Thus there cannot be any PWM control of the fan. The voltage is fixed at 12v just like it is for the pump. So, EVGA needs to correct their information.
 
From EVGA Tech Erin:
The radiator and pump operate at a fixed speed. The four pins on the fan header are tach, PWM control, +12V, and ground. The pump and radiator tap power from the +12V fan power feed from the card. Only the fan on the card itself is variable, as it has the connections to the PWM control signal. The +12V is constant, and doesn't change.
 
If your radiator fan is changing speed, it's not doing so in response to the temperature.
post edited by HeavyHemi - 2017/05/23 13:28:31

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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 13:51:22 (permalink)
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i thought the radiator fan was 100% power 100% of the time?

It's dynamic based on coolant temp.


Pretty sure the radiator fan is static fixed 12v.  It's a two wire fan no PWM.


"Virtually Silent Operation, Variable controlled fans allow dynamic fan speed based on gpu temperature, and the water cooling efficiency means very low fan noise."
 
Source: https://www.evga.com/prod...aspx?pn=400-HY-5388-B1




It certainly does say that.  However, the fan is a two wire fan. Thus there cannot be any PWM control of the fan. The voltage is fixed at 12v just like it is for the pump. So, EVGA needs to correct their information.
 
From EVGA Tech Erin:
The radiator and pump operate at a fixed speed. The four pins on the fan header are tach, PWM control, +12V, and ground. The pump and radiator tap power from the +12V fan power feed from the card. Only the fan on the card itself is variable, as it has the connections to the PWM control signal. The +12V is constant, and doesn't change.

If your radiator fan is changing speed, it's not doing so in response to the temperature.




then what could it be?
 
what could be slowing down my noctua fan?

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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 14:10:07 (permalink)
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i thought the radiator fan was 100% power 100% of the time?

It's dynamic based on coolant temp.


Pretty sure the radiator fan is static fixed 12v.  It's a two wire fan no PWM.


"Virtually Silent Operation, Variable controlled fans allow dynamic fan speed based on gpu temperature, and the water cooling efficiency means very low fan noise."
 
Source: https://www.evga.com/prod...aspx?pn=400-HY-5388-B1




It certainly does say that.  However, the fan is a two wire fan. Thus there cannot be any PWM control of the fan. The voltage is fixed at 12v just like it is for the pump. So, EVGA needs to correct their information.
 
From EVGA Tech Erin:
The radiator and pump operate at a fixed speed. The four pins on the fan header are tach, PWM control, +12V, and ground. The pump and radiator tap power from the +12V fan power feed from the card. Only the fan on the card itself is variable, as it has the connections to the PWM control signal. The +12V is constant, and doesn't change.

If your radiator fan is changing speed, it's not doing so in response to the temperature.




then what could it be?
 
what could be slowing down my noctua fan?




Hard to say. All I can tell you is the stock fan, is two wire, thus fixed. You might be getting something weird if you're plugging a PWM fan into it versus the stock fan. Just for giggles when I plugged in a PWM fan into the two wire plug that went to the stock fan, it ran slow and changing the fan speed had zero effect on it. And just to confirm, I plugged in the stock fan and changed the speed from default, all the way to 100% and zero change in fan speed.

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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 14:28:25 (permalink)
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i thought the radiator fan was 100% power 100% of the time?

It's dynamic based on coolant temp.


Pretty sure the radiator fan is static fixed 12v.  It's a two wire fan no PWM.


"Virtually Silent Operation, Variable controlled fans allow dynamic fan speed based on gpu temperature, and the water cooling efficiency means very low fan noise."
 
Source: https://www.evga.com/prod...aspx?pn=400-HY-5388-B1




It certainly does say that.  However, the fan is a two wire fan. Thus there cannot be any PWM control of the fan. The voltage is fixed at 12v just like it is for the pump. So, EVGA needs to correct their information.
 
From EVGA Tech Erin:
The radiator and pump operate at a fixed speed. The four pins on the fan header are tach, PWM control, +12V, and ground. The pump and radiator tap power from the +12V fan power feed from the card. Only the fan on the card itself is variable, as it has the connections to the PWM control signal. The +12V is constant, and doesn't change.

If your radiator fan is changing speed, it's not doing so in response to the temperature.


Guess the techs don't know what they are talking about. https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2672386
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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 14:30:37 (permalink)
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i thought the radiator fan was 100% power 100% of the time?

It's dynamic based on coolant temp.


Pretty sure the radiator fan is static fixed 12v.  It's a two wire fan no PWM.


"Virtually Silent Operation, Variable controlled fans allow dynamic fan speed based on gpu temperature, and the water cooling efficiency means very low fan noise."
 
Source: https://www.evga.com/prod...aspx?pn=400-HY-5388-B1




It certainly does say that.  However, the fan is a two wire fan. Thus there cannot be any PWM control of the fan. The voltage is fixed at 12v just like it is for the pump. So, EVGA needs to correct their information.
 
From EVGA Tech Erin:
The radiator and pump operate at a fixed speed. The four pins on the fan header are tach, PWM control, +12V, and ground. The pump and radiator tap power from the +12V fan power feed from the card. Only the fan on the card itself is variable, as it has the connections to the PWM control signal. The +12V is constant, and doesn't change.

If your radiator fan is changing speed, it's not doing so in response to the temperature.


Guess the techs don't know what they are talking about. https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2672386



I agree over the years we've seen the techs make mistakes. In that same thread you just posted a few posts down, is the Tech, Erin,  I just quoted. They are human.  However there is no disputing there is no PWM control on a 2 wire fan. So, they really should get their ducks in row.
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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 14:33:39 (permalink)
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I agree over the years we've seen the techs make mistakes. They are human.  However there is no disputing there is no PWM control on a 2 wire fan. So, they really should get their ducks in row.

I've seen people say the radiator fan adjusts. I've also seen people say it doesn't.
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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 14:34:41 (permalink)
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I agree over the years we've seen the techs make mistakes. They are human.  However there is no disputing there is no PWM control on a 2 wire fan. So, they really should get their ducks in row.

I've seen people say the radiator fan adjusts. I've also seen people say it doesn't.




I'm sure you have. It's a two wire fan. Thus no PWM control. Do you accept that as true?

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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 14:46:11 (permalink)
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I agree over the years we've seen the techs make mistakes. They are human.  However there is no disputing there is no PWM control on a 2 wire fan. So, they really should get their ducks in row.

I've seen people say the radiator fan adjusts. I've also seen people say it doesn't.




I'm sure you have. It's a two wire fan. Thus no PWM control. Do you accept that as true?


Yes, I agree there is no pwm control on a two wire fan. Fan speed can still be adjusted on a two wire fan.
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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 14:51:06 (permalink)
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I agree over the years we've seen the techs make mistakes. They are human.  However there is no disputing there is no PWM control on a 2 wire fan. So, they really should get their ducks in row.

I've seen people say the radiator fan adjusts. I've also seen people say it doesn't.




I'm sure you have. It's a two wire fan. Thus no PWM control. Do you accept that as true?


Yes, I agree there is no pwm control on a two wire fan. Fan speed can still be adjusted on a two wire fan.




 
Indeed. However, there is no DC fan controller on the board. So, that leaves us with static fan speed.

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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 16:29:39 (permalink)
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I agree over the years we've seen the techs make mistakes. They are human.  However there is no disputing there is no PWM control on a 2 wire fan. So, they really should get their ducks in row.

I've seen people say the radiator fan adjusts. I've also seen people say it doesn't.




I'm sure you have. It's a two wire fan. Thus no PWM control. Do you accept that as true?


Yes, I agree there is no pwm control on a two wire fan. Fan speed can still be adjusted on a two wire fan.




 
Indeed. However, there is no DC fan controller on the board. So, that leaves us with static fan speed.




They will never admit it.  The funniest description I've seen so far was something like - it does change speed but it's so slight you might not be able to notice it.  I have no idea why they won't say it's static.  I'm guessing at some point they said it was variable in marketing material and won't change their stance because of possible legalities.  I'm happy either way knowing it's a static speed.  I just hate it when people ask and are sent on a wild goose chase.  The way it's wired it shouldn't be changing speeds period.   A PWM fan of course can run into speed issues because they require a signal wire to tell it what to do... without that signal it seems It's putting nycalex80 fan into a constant Min/Max cycle awaiting a command from the controller, but lacks a signal.
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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/23 16:53:46 (permalink)
I consider my ears to be pretty good, but I don't know what people are hearing when they say the hybrid fan is loud.
 
Non gaming noise is pretty much silent. My case is on desk and my ears about are less than 2 feet away from it. Obviously the entire case is not silent, there is always a slight hum, but loud? Absolutely not. Mine is mounted at the front of my case as an intake.
 
It definitely gets louder while gaming, but even with any audio source at a minimal volume, it can't be heard.
 
The standard FE fan by comparison sounded like someone was vacuuming in my room.

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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/24 02:56:07 (permalink)
Listen folks, just use my solution (on page 1 of this thread) and no more worries ;-)
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Re: EVGA Hybrid Kit Fan replacement 2017/05/24 04:12:39 (permalink)
I can't really hear the fan either. In fact my corsair case fans, under light load, are louder, although they are all nearly silent. Any fan noise is hidden out by my TV anyways, even when I set my TV to whisper volume 5 levels.

I also flipped my radiator fan to pull and as above, I, too, had the the 1080 FE and that sounded like a vacuum cleaner.

I guess it's subjective, but I'm very pleased. I'm not going to bother changing fans on something I can't really hear.
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