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I was just comparing and noticed a few minor differences...not sure if due to typo or they are going to be pretty different: Black SC and SC2 both use ICX Black SC does NOT have extra nine temp sensors, LED G/P/V where SC2 does Both have asynchronous fans, although not sure why they would do that to the Black without the temp sensors, etc. Basically the SC will be ACX with pads, asynchronous fans...where the SC2 will be full blown ICX, with all the bells and whistles Asynchronous fans on the Black seem futile, if the nine sensors aren't there. Power and VRM not monitored, so why not just do a hefty ACX? Let one fan controller based on GPU cool both?
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:00 PM
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I see the misunderstanding here. The cards are broken up into 2 lines. iCX Technology which boasts the temperature sensors AND asynchronous fan controls vs iCX Cooling which is the same cooler without the temperature sensors and asynchronous fan controls.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:05 PM
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I guess my thought was why ICX on the black without the sensors? Seems to defeat the purpose of ICX. The black is more like ACX 3.0 with Asynchronous fans...no more than that...
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:31 PM
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Just some food for thought. I have the 1080 SC2 with ICX. I use EVGA Precision and run the fans at 40% all the time, and as temps change...the GPU curve is a bit more aggressive than the Power/VRM fan curve. I can run the utility in GPU-Z and watch temps rise for both and how the fan curves change. The sensors on Power/VRM help the second fan operate. Now, with that said....I monitored the fan activity with the automatic fan control of Precision disabled. The vbios is set to run the fans at different temp levels, with no help. I noticed my GPU fans started to run at 58C and ramped up from there. Power/VRM was similar. Without the sensors on the Power/VRM of the 1080 TI black SC...how are the Power/VRM fans to operate? Only ONE way that I can think of. Use precision and link the two fans together and have the monitor for GPU run both on the same curve. However...for those not using Precision, I would be interested in How EVGA is going to operate the power / vrm fan... Could the product specs be incomplete: http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6393-KR
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 2:45 PM
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Would be interesting to hear EVGA's take on this...
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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Do we know yet if the Black will include a backplate? If i recall correctly the SC Black on the 1070 didn't have a backplate included. Edit: Nevermind I found it listed in the Specs. It does include the backplate.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 3:18 PM
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I think the "Features" tab on the SC Black page is incorrect. The 1080 ti SC Black does not have Asynchronous fans; see the iCX comparison table between the cards on this page: evga.com articles/01092/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-ti/ (My account must be too new for links? Throw a / between evga.com and articles)
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 3:54 PM
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The icx cooler contains all of the updates that were given to the previous cards.
The cooler is now mounted in multiple points across the pcb, versus the acx that had the cooler mounted only around the core.
The baseplate has the new design as well, with the raised section over the VRM and such. These changes were made, and it would make no sense to have completely different coolers just because one card doesnt have the extra sensors.
The async fans, if on the black, could be used to run the vrm a little higher, since they get hotter than the core did at the same fan speeds.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 4:15 PM
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Think of it this way. It looks like ACX coolers are retired. IDK if that's actually true, but that what I gather by the announcements that are out. Here's my example: GTX1070 ACX 3.0 Black Edition is the budget version without backplate. GTX1070 ACX 3.0 regular with backplate is the regular version. GTX1080 Ti iCX Cooler is the budget version probably without backplate with synchronous fans. GTX1080 Ti iCX Technology regular version probably with backplate, with asynchronous fans and extra temperature sensors.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 4:30 PM
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The ICX cooler makes all the sense. However, Asynchronous fans, do not. That would entail thermal sensors on the Power/VRM of the card, which it says it does not have. I am with Ra1n that I believe a misprint on the product description...There would be no way for the fan controller to know when to start the fans...The only possible way for the fans over Power/VRM to work would be to use Precision and link the fans together...thus the GPU sensors would initiate the Power/VRM fan as well.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 4:31 PM
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I see multiple posts here with most of the facts correct, but not all of them (except, technically, for Ra1n_). We've split up EVGA iCX Technology into two components - iCX Technology and iCX Cooling. The main difference between them is that iCX Technology incorporates iCX Cooling, but uses the extra sensors and other features to enable the use of asynchronous fans, monitoring tools, etc. iCX Cooling refers to the baseplate, backplate, cooler, and other patented technologies that relate only to the cooler portion of iCX. The SC Black Edition features everything from the iCX Cooler: - Die-cast baseplate/backplate
- Pin fins, multiple contact points between baseplate and heatsink
- Pin holes and half-open fins to direct airflow around and through the card.
However, the card does not feature the iCX Technology, which means: - Fans are not asynchronous (only 1 fan header, not two)
- Only the Nvidia GPU sensor (standard on all Nvidia cards)
- Standard PCB, without any of the exclusive iCX PCB features (with the exception of a safety fuse).
Think of the GTX 1080 Ti Black Edition this way: it's got all of the best new cooling features from iCX, but without the sensors or the asynchronous fans. If you're the type of person that isn't worried about the temperatures around the PCB - especially with the newer cooling features on the iCX Cooler - then you can save a little money and go with this card, compared to the iCX version. Similarly, the 1080 Ti SC Black Edition uses a reference PCB, which may be important to you if you're looking for aftermarket cooling, such as watercooling. If you want the full iCX Technology with the sensors and asynchronous fans, however, then you'll want to go with the 1080 Ti SC2.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 4:37 PM
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Thanks Lee. Bob, where are you seeing that it says the black has asynchornous fans anyway? This screen shot is from last Friday:  If there is a place the shows the black edition has asynchronous fans, it needs to be updated. The product page doesnt show async fans either: iCX Cooling
New vented heatsink fin design and pin fins for optimized airflow
Redesigned cooling with L-shaped contact fins to improve contact surface area for better heat dissipation*EVIDENTLY Lee is a ninja and cut it off the product description before I could get there, lolThe launch page on the main site doesnt say anything about the black having async fans eithe
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 4:42 PM
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bob's not crazy. He was referring to the features tab on the product page. I just cleaned it up. Mea culpa.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 4:43 PM
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EVGATech_LeeM bob's not crazy. He was referring to the features tab on the product page. I just cleaned it up. Mea culpa.
You're fast, lol. I looked in there, and it didn't say it anymore so I was very confused, lol.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 4:54 PM
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EVGATech_LeeM I see multiple posts here with most of the facts correct, but not all of them (except, technically, for Ra1n_). We've split up EVGA iCX Technology into two components - iCX Technology and iCX Cooling. The main difference between them is that iCX Technology incorporates iCX Cooling, but uses the extra sensors and other features to enable the use of asynchronous fans, monitoring tools, etc. iCX Cooling refers to the baseplate, backplate, cooler, and other patented technologies that relate only to the cooler portion of iCX. The SC Black Edition features everything from the iCX Cooler:
- Die-cast baseplate/backplate
- Pin fins, multiple contact points between baseplate and heatsink
- Pin holes and half-open fins to direct airflow around and through the card.
However, the card does not feature the iCX Technology, which means:
- Fans are not asynchronous (only 1 fan header, not two)
- Only the Nvidia GPU sensor (standard on all Nvidia cards)
- Standard PCB, without any of the exclusive iCX PCB features (with the exception of a safety fuse).
Think of the GTX 1080 Ti Black Edition this way: it's got all of the best new cooling features from iCX, but without the sensors or the asynchronous fans. If you're the type of person that isn't worried about the temperatures around the PCB - especially with the newer cooling features on the iCX Cooler - then you can save a little money and go with this card, compared to the iCX version. Similarly, the 1080 Ti SC Black Edition uses a reference PCB, which may be important to you if you're looking for aftermarket cooling, such as watercooling. If you want the full iCX Technology with the sensors and asynchronous fans, however, then you'll want to go with the 1080 Ti SC2.
So fans are NOT asynchronous. Thank you for clearing that up. It is really an ACX on ICX steroids without the thermal sensors. Even so, going to be a very nice card...and I think it will be an in between the FE and the SC2 version.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 4:55 PM
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EVGATech_LeeM Similarly, the 1080 Ti SC Black Edition uses a reference PCB, which may be important to you if you're looking for aftermarket cooling, such as watercooling.
Remember that the SC Black Edition has the extra DVI-D port, so its 99.9% reference but check that this is not a problem with the specific watercooler you choose if you are going for it.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 4:58 PM
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bobmitch So fans are NOT asynchronous. Thank you for clearing that up. It is really an ACX on ICX steroids without the thermal sensors. Even so, going to be a very nice card...and I think it will be an in between the FE and the SC2 version.
I'd say that's a fairly accurate description. It certainly has its place in the lineup, depending on a person's needs.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 5:01 PM
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EVGATech_LeeM Similarly, the 1080 Ti SC Black Edition uses a reference PCB, which may be important to you if you're looking for aftermarket cooling, such as watercooling.
Remember that the SC Black Edition has the extra DVI-D port, so its 99.9% reference but check that this is not a problem with the specific watercooler you choose if you are going for it.
The titan xp had a dvi port, and since it uses the same pcb, it should not have any effect on fitment when using titan xp blocks.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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EVGATech_LeeM Similarly, the 1080 Ti SC Black Edition uses a reference PCB, which may be important to you if you're looking for aftermarket cooling, such as watercooling.
Remember that the SC Black Edition has the extra DVI-D port, so its 99.9% reference but check that this is not a problem with the specific watercooler you choose if you are going for it.
Fair point. I also just learned that the SC Black Edition will also feature the safety fuse on it, as well, which means that compatibility with some waterblocks could be compromised.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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OK...tell me I am not crazy. If you blow the photo of the black edition up, it only has ONE eight pin connector. So I started looking around and found this: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/b4351/evga-gtx-1080-ti-sc-black-edition-w-icx-cooler They really expect to power the 1080 TI Black with ONE eight pin connector? Even the FE has one eight and one six. 250 Watt or more draw. That seems cutting it really close. My SC2 draws up to 180. The FTW2 is rated at 215 and has 2 eight pin...
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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We're learning all sorts of new things, lol. GO BOB GO!
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 5:56 PM
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bobmitch OK...tell me I am not crazy. If you blow the photo of the black edition up, it only has ONE eight pin connector. So I started looking around and found this: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/b4351/evga-gtx-1080-ti-sc-black-edition-w-icx-cooler They really expect to power the 1080 TI Black with ONE eight pin connector? Even the FE has one eight and one six. 250 Watt or more draw. That seems cutting it really close. My SC2 draws up to 180. The FTW2 is rated at 215 and has 2 eight pin...
Yeah, incomplete rendering was...incomplete. Expect an updated rendering shortly. Specs in the chart are correct. SC Black Edition and SC2 are 6+8, not just 8.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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On the chart, under board design...says 1 eight pin. Maybe he posted that with the photo of the card...
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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Scarlet-Tech We're learning all sorts of new things, lol. GO BOB GO!
I really like the card and think it is the perfect one for me. Unfortunately, will most likely never see it as a Step Up option...so I would have to sell my SC2 ICX to get it. The spec sheet doesn't seem to favor it.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
Monday, March 13, 2017 6:03 PM
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bobmitch On the chart, under board design...says 1 eight pin. Maybe he posted that with the photo of the card...
Possibly. A single 8pin certainly isn't in any official spec sheet on our side. In fact, the spec sheet states 6+8.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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As always stay tuned guys!!!!
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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Beginning to wonder if they're working on the...*1080ti stay tuned edition*
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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Lots of great info posted.
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Re: Interesting comparison between 1080 TI Black SC vs 1080 TI SC2
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Any card that can be stepped up to from my FE would be a win for me. I would be perfectly content with a Black Edition SC. :)
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