Our clan website got hacked we lost everything in the forum all the pics/info we put up over the years is gone. Oh well i guess its time for a new beginning. Since we have no forum anymore i had to vent somewhere so once again i would like to say.


I HATE HACKERS !!!  

Can I correct something without causing a major bru-ha-ha?

You hate crackers, not hackers.  Hackers are people that muck around with something to get it to work...a cracker is someone who breaks into something with malicious intent.  You don't hate hackers, you hate crackers.

Hackers are good.  They are the folks who figure out how to overclock, run an OS on hardware it's not suppose to run on, etc. etc.  You know, those geeks who do things just because it's a challenge with no malicious intent.

Crackers, on the other hand, are the folks who break into things to do bad things.

Sorry, I just hate seeing the terms misplaced.

Sorry to hear that man, that's some valuable asset you lost...

fredbsd

Can I correct something without causing a major bru-ha-ha?

You hate crackers, not hackers.  Hackers are people that muck around with something to get it to work...a cracker is someone who breaks into something with malicious intent.  You don't hate hackers, you hate crackers.

Hackers are good.  They are the folks who figure out how to overclock, run an OS on hardware it's not suppose to run on, etc. etc.  You know, those geeks who do things just because it's a challenge with no malicious intent.

Crackers, on the other hand, are the folks who break into things to do bad things.

Sorry, I just hate seeing the terms misplaced.

Some white folks may get offended by this.

fredbsd

Can I correct something without causing a major bru-ha-ha?

You hate crackers, not hackers.  Hackers are people that muck around with something to get it to work...a cracker is someone who breaks into something with malicious intent.  You don't hate hackers, you hate crackers.

Hackers are good.  They are the folks who figure out how to overclock, run an OS on hardware it's not suppose to run on, etc. etc.  You know, those geeks who do things just because it's a challenge with no malicious intent.

Crackers, on the other hand, are the folks who break into things to do bad things.

Sorry, I just hate seeing the terms misplaced.

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fredbsd

The term 'hacker' is a media driven, misplaced term.  If your'e going to use the term, use it correctly.  It is on-topic considering the title of the thread.

A 'hacker' is someone who mucks about...finds a solution to a problem they are working on.  Movies and television have often misused this word to describe malicious folk. 

If you OC, you're a hacker.  Think about it.

A 'cracker', on the other hand, is someone who breaks things with malicious intent.  You know...someone who breaks Windows to steal CC information etc.  Or ruins someones website. 

This is somewhat old school and I certainly do not expect folks to understand the differences between the terms.  But, in fairness, not all 'hackers' are bad people.  I hack all the bloody time.  I don't, however, do things maliciously.

You know the guys who got Linux to run on an Xbox?  That's a hacker.

Again, I am sorry to be so nitpicky.  But I really do dislike seeing the term misplaced.

I OC, I'm not a hacker. "crackers" (still hackers) don't do things with malicious intent. Cracking stuff is not bad. Breaking windows is hacking. Infiltrating programs or websites is hacking.

fredbsd

I'm sorry...but Hanni...I don't think you've been around long enough to know the difference.  That is not an insult nor is it meant to be disparaging.  It's just the way it is.  Long ago...hackers were considered 'good'.  Crackers, on the other hand, were considered 'bad'.  Maybe times have changed....I dunno.  But the media certainly has not helped.

I feel bad for the OP.  Folks who do things maliciously definitely suck. 

I don't take it as an insult or anything. I appreciate your input and it's very possible I'm wrong. You are right, I am very young. Great thing about forums, discussions!

Yes, media is very powerful. But the problem are the people also that believe everything they see on TV.

http://www.pcmag.com/ency...ker&i=40453,00.asp That should answer any questions. And manny, I looked up the urban dictionary meaning of cracker and I don't mind being called that (no offense towards any race)

This is why you should keep at least weekly backups.

Sorry to hear about your website though :(

fredbsd

The term 'hacker' is a media driven, misplaced term.  If your'e going to use the term, use it correctly.  It is on-topic considering the title of the thread.

A 'hacker' is someone who mucks about...finds a solution to a problem they are working on.  Movies and television have often misused this word to describe malicious folk. 

If you OC, you're a hacker.  Think about it.

A 'cracker', on the other hand, is someone who breaks things with malicious intent.  You know...someone who breaks Windows to steal CC information etc.  Or ruins someones website. 

This is somewhat old school and I certainly do not expect folks to understand the differences between the terms.  But, in fairness, not all 'hackers' are bad people.  I hack all the bloody time.  I don't, however, do things maliciously.

You know the guys who got Linux to run on an Xbox?  That's a hacker.

Again, I am sorry to be so nitpicky.  But I really do dislike seeing the term misplaced.

I would disagree with you on this as well. When I think of a cracker, I think of someone disabling the CD check on a game, creating a no cd patch, or disabling the intrusive SecuRom so it stops authenticating with the server or installing itself in the first place. In all of the aforementioned scenarios, I would consider a "cracker" to be good. Basically, the folks at SlySoft are all "crackers" in my mind and they're not malicious at all. I want to be able to make a backup of Blu-rays I purchase. I wouldn't consider this illegal nor with malicious intent.

A "hacker" is a broad term which generally means altering with a piece of technology. So in a way, "hacker" is the broad umbrella term which includes "cracker". A cracker is a more narrowed down term.

It's like saying that a square (represents the "cracker" in this analogy) is a rectangle ("hacker") but a rectangle doesn't necessarily have to be a square.

luv2increase

Hellcat714

Are clan website got hacked we lost everything in are forum all are pics and all the info we put up over the years is gone. Oh well i guess its time for a new beginning. Since we have no forum anymore i had to vent somewhere so once again i would like to say.


I HATE HACKERS !!!  

That is your fault for not being prepared.  You should always have backups.  For you to have a website for several years without ever backing it up is absolute negligence, and I really don't feel back for you at all.  You are probably the only person/site on the WWW that does not do regular backups.  That's a shame...

Don't yell at me i do not run the website and i am not going to tell you why it has been so long for the back up. I did not come here to be yelled at for something i have no control over. You should read the post where i said our forum admin is working on it and i THINK it was 2 years. I don't know for sure yet so slow your roll there buddy.

Your comments are right, but they are also wrong at the same time.
What your saying is basically correct when it started.  You  have to understand that English is a living language an words an there meaning change. The term hacker has become to mean what the tread starter meant so he is also correct. Think of the word dude, it means something different now then it did at first. You can prolly think of countless other words that have done this.The word bad used to mean bad then it meant good then bad again. you have to grow with the language an understand  that the words do change an  understand the new meaning. Doesn't matter if the media created the change or if some homeless man down the street did.

manny8127

fredbsd

Can I correct something without causing a major bru-ha-ha?

You hate crackers, not hackers.  Hackers are people that muck around with something to get it to work...a cracker is someone who breaks into something with malicious intent.  You don't hate hackers, you hate crackers.

Hackers are good.  They are the folks who figure out how to overclock, run an OS on hardware it's not suppose to run on, etc. etc.  You know, those geeks who do things just because it's a challenge with no malicious intent.

Crackers, on the other hand, are the folks who break into things to do bad things.

Sorry, I just hate seeing the terms misplaced.

Some white folks may get offended by this.

 
LAWL! Just noticed that!

To break it down into more user friendly status...use this

Hacker = Parent term
Cracker = Child term

Hacker is the originator of the lesser child terms.  And I cannot say I hate or dislike, or even love hackers because without them, we wouldn't have the technology we have today.  Hackers are the sole responsibility for improving the security in programs, or the flaws in our games.  Yes, they may make a scuffle here and there but that just shows the weaknesses so they can fix it. 

IE Google, hackers found a way to "hack" (see parent term) the sight to find a flaw (which can mean a cracker, since it cracked the password to the site) and now Google has been fixing it.

So to say that someone is wrong for using "Hacker" in their title, then you are making yourself look like the bad guy for going "old" school on someone who actually used the term correctly and making yourself look like the idiot. 

As far as you losing your information, I am sorry to hear that.  But they are right, you should try to pack up things incase of some malfuntion.  Most people often create a back-up side to keep on standby incase something like this happens.  Much like a "hot site".  Good look in your restoration of your site.

hologramg

Im sorry but if you truly own those 2xxx cisco switches and such and NAT is your only protection I feel terribly bad for you. Year 2 cisco student and I can easily tell you that you can protect yourself far better than NAT. Heck, NAT isn't even meant for security, its meant to conserve on public address, hence the name "Network address translation".

I just shuddered. I can easily break a router by pegging out NAT translations (if not controlled) and locking up a router.