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Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:56 PM
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Not too much difference in price... Your already paying a lot... Which is it? Should I buy the 580 or 590? Right now for what I do either one would work for me. I'm not running three monitors... Any opinions out there? Say to heck with it and pickup a 590 or save 200 bucks and go with the 580?
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:58 PM
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For any HD gaming , make sure to get the 3 Gig version of the 580... It can handle current & future HD textures in volume for gaming much better than the 1.5G per core of the 590...
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:59 PM
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Get a 580 then eventually SLI it. 590 has to many problems
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:17 PM
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idk im loving my 590's. havent had a problem with them yet. im running the most up to date drivers. evga percision to up the fan speed. can run bf3 ultra settings for hours no issues. thing with the 590's is he would be running quad sli in 2 pci-e slots vs trying to go quad sli with the 580's. little less power supply is needed also. my suggestion is if space is an issue go with 590's, if you want to expand into 4 pci-e slots and can power them go for the 3gb 580 as you can upgrade later on down the road. either card is a great card.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:20 PM
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590 if ur not planning to sli if ur planning to tri-sli then 580 if ur planning to SLi two cards get 590 cuz later on when 590 price drops u can add another 590 and quad them and get much better beformance than two 580's if u do get 580 get the 3 gb version for future proof
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:11 PM
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peeler05 Get a 580 then eventually SLI it. 590 has to many problems that, i read so many problems with the 590's aswell im waiting for 580 classy to become available in europe aswell.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:11 PM
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:23 PM
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most of the problem with the 590 I believe to be driver issues of low min voltage. evga with its 630 core need .925v on both cores, if your only getting .913v then I would rma asap but when it get the voltage it needs it runs flawless.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:13 PM
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You dont need to rma the cards. Just properly uninstall the drivers and update to the newest ones. 290.53 i beleive. I just did this when that driver came out and both my cards run in quad sli will game 5 plus hours each night and wont skip a beat.
Other then the voltage issue which was a driver issue not tje card the 590 is a damn good card. My benchmarks would be higher if i clocked them up a tad and overclocked my cpu. But i dont have to at all
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:18 PM
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peeler05 Get a 580 then eventually SLI it. 590 has to many problems My 590s have had zero problems. What exactly are you referring to? OP - Your decision might be based on what you plan to with your setup. I game (3D on a single monitor) and fold, so the 590s were a perfect choice for me and would get them again.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:44 PM
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there are plenty of documented problems with multi-gpu cards that would make me avoid them instead.....thats why I try to buy motherboards with the most pci-e slots and lanes, with plenty of room to breathe.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 8:03 PM
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hoserxthere are plenty of documented problems with multi-gpu cards that would make me avoid them There are plenty of documented problems for non-multi GPU cards as well, just look at the threads here. The point is that you really only read/hear about people having problems with cards, but not when they're working fine. So the OP should really just consider what's best for their needs, multi-GPU or not.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 8:29 PM
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exactly. you will see more problems on this forum then good posts as thats why most people post. to get help. just like rambler im very happy with my 590's. reason i went with mine is i can spread them out on the board as well so they cool better. my temps in this torture rack now never get over 65c unless i forget to turn my fans up. with the fans i put on them my idle temps are 28-28c.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:25 PM
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rambler: point taken. I'm just saying I'd rather have to send one card back and be able to continue to play if a GPU has an issue, than send back a dual gpu card and be cardless if I encountered an issue.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:35 PM
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590 HC here for past 5 months with out issues. Awesome card.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:53 AM
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If gaming at 1080p get the 580 and pocket the rest of the money...If money is no object enjoy the 590.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:22 AM
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I would get 2 580's or 2 560Ti's classys! 1 card with 2 GPU's on it is never a good thing, IMO!
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:41 AM
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DMIINC 590 HC here for past 5 months with out issues. Awesome card. shoulda got those cards myself. wish i would have now i want to go water cooling. lol
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:44 AM
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I'm going to take a different angle (mainly cuz I don't own either) and ask what resolution is your current monitor and are you planning a bigger resolution later as a replacement? IMO, it isn't smart to buy based on a current need, it isn't remotely future-proof-- meaning to postpone at least the next consecutive upgrade. If you buy either a 1.5GB 580 or a 590 (w/1.5GB per GPU) now, there will be a point when a future game at your current res or a bigger future res will need more Vram. Only a matter of time and whether you can maintain your perferences. 590 works now if you haven't even reach 1536MB of Vram yet, then you benefit with 1024 shaders running at 1200Mhz in terms of fill rate, this is 50% faster than a single GTX580. But don't limit yourself to "the now" unless you don't mind upgrading often, i.e. couple times per year. But, should you get into a future bigger resolution, like say you have 1080p now and 2560x1440 becomes cheap and popular, that is 50% more pixels. Your video graphics processing power and Vram requirement needs to scale up with the increase in Megapixels if you want to maintain the same performance. For example, if some random game you have at 1080p maxes out at 1200MB Vram, at 1440p you need 1800MB Vram, thus 50% more graphical power to render the larger view. Vram isn't adjustable in any graphics card, so all you have left is overclocking the thing as much as you can practically do so-- either way your preferences will take a hit. So you definitely need a large Vram card that the reference models today if you intend to keep the card for more than a year and plan in that year to upgrade to a better monitor. But if you don't, then yeah referen 1.5GB GTX580 is good enough, the prices are expected to drop in anticipation of AMD's HD7900 series in a few months, because Kepler high-end is farther away and can't compete on time. So if you intend to purchase either 590 or whatever flavor of 580, wait until then or you will overspend.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:46 AM
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Problems with the 590s? Mine have been flawless since they came out slaughtering everything on the market with ease on 1920x1200! No issues here and def saves space and major power vs going the 580 route. 590 FTW!
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:09 AM
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Get 580 3gb Classified on waterblocks Its simply a beautiful card, vram to boot, get the model that comes with the swiftech nickle plated coper. Then SLI it If you just want instant Surround, then get the 590 (on blocks) Ive heard arguments that SLI'd 560's are louder, but more powerful and less heat intensive than a single 590, but I have no proof other than that rumor. I believe the GPU chips are identical, just a dual on one board with a good sink. But if it was my money, 580 Classy's all the way
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:49 AM
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Thanks for all the feedback. I appreciate it. I too have read the bad reviews on the 590. Along with the bad reviews are the good reviews. They are interesting to read and I always try to make a good educated decision when it comes to making hard decisions like this. I decided to take the chance and purchased an EVGA GeForce GTX 590 Classified 3072 MB, 03G-P3-1596-AR card. I made the decision based on just a few things. 1) I have confidence as a consumer in EVGA and know if there are any issues with the card I receive they will be there to support me. 2) I am now curious to see if I too have any of the issues the other users had. 3) The 590 is probably the direction the industry will be going. 4) I like science projects and it will be interesting to be able to review the 590 on my own. I have the motherboard and case that can support a large card and use a Viewsonic VX2753MH-LED 27-Inch LED monitor 1920x1080p Full HD resolution, which I’m sure will benefit from the upgrade. I also have a VIZIO 47" TRULED LCD 3D HDTV I am planning on using it with from time to time. If noise from the card's fan becomes excess I will water cool it. I have an external Koolance for water cooling the processor and it’s only a little over 100 bucks to get the cooling block for the 590. It should be arriving today. It will be interesting. Again thanks for feedback. Jeff
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:54 AM
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what do you mean that the 590 is the direction that the industry is going? You also know that the card is really only 1.5gb of ram available, right?
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:49 AM
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Good Morning, The gaming industry is going to continue to develope more and more complex hardware driven games in the times to come. I'm always amazed where we have gone. I still remember the old DOS Doom days. Yes I know it's not 3gb. It's only 3gb when running 2 in SLI. That is deceiving in the description. I use to run a dual processor Opteron 240 single core 1.4 ghz motherboard. the processors were around $2000 bucks each. Then they came out with the Opteron 290 which was a dual core 2.8 ghz processor. Running a pair of these in a Tyan motherboard was lightening fast. Now single processors have 6 cores, 12 threads. I beleive graphic CPUs will go the same direction. First they will introduce dual processors on a single board and as technology improves we will see single dual or quad core graphic CPUs. It wasn't an easy decision to make. I don't disagree 2-way or 3-way 580s isn't a bad idea and completely agree 580s in 2-way SLI outperform a single 590. Is that really a fair comparision? Is it more bang for your buck? You betcha. But it does limit growth. Everything is too expensive anymore... I purchased a COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro RS-C50-EMBA-D2 1250W Power Supply a year or two ago. When I purchased it I didn't need 1250Ws of power. Tomorrow I will. My case is a Cooler Master stacker, full size. It has the space to hold dual CPU motherboards as well as 11" video cards and I know I will never out grow it. I think the AMD cards are now outperforming Nvidia but many years ago had so many issues with ATI I have made the decision to stick with Nvidia. I also chose Nvidia because I like their motherboard chip sets. I've have always been a fan of AMD processors for their cost and performance. Intel has always been too expensive. This last time around (my science project) I went with an Intel Extreme I7 975 processor. I haven't made up my mind on performance. It does overclock well and remains stable. My largest bottle neck in my system was hard drive speeds. Running RAID 0 on dual drives was still never fast enough and was always holding the system back. I removed that bottle neck by finally breaking down and investing it a pair of Intel 160gb SSD drives. My boot time from motherboard post to "it's up and running" Windows 7 64-bit is about 30 seconds. I open an explorer window and it immediately opens and so on... I still remember a custormer I had years ago who purchased a new XT computer. It cost him $10,000 bucks. It's incredible how the industry has continued to evolve and I know graphic cards will continue to evolve too. I believe the 590 is a baby step in that direction. Jeff
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:54 AM
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ok.....that's incorrect. you could have fifteen thousand gtx 590s and youd still have 1.5 gb of ram...... plus, video cards already have multiple cores like cpus do......for example, the gtx 580 has 512 cores.... a gtx 590 has two separate gpus, 1024 cores.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:04 PM
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Vram is not that big of a deal unless your benchmarking. 1.5gb card will do fine. I have yet to find a game that will bog my cards down.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:33 PM
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you will love it, never been a fan of dual gpu but the gtx590 has come a long way and had it not been for early overvolting then the stigma might have changed some, I am really looking forward to the several next gen dual gpu, although I wont need to upgrade for a while.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 5:00 PM
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violence: actually youre backwards... vram is a huge deal in games that have gigantic textures, and not a big deal in most of the major benchmarks
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:47 PM
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what i thought about doing, is actually buying a gtx580 1.5gb card and pulling actual benchmark tests on my setup to compare the 2. just to see how different as this seems to be a very hot topic. run a pair of 1.5gb gtx580's in sli. would be interesting to say the least.
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Re:580 Classified or 590??
Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:11 PM
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a pair of 1.5gb 580s would score a bit higher than the 590, it's been benchmarked......they are clocked lower than the 580s. not to mention, you'd generally have much more overclocking headroom with two 580s than a 590. ymmv of course.
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