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2019/04/23 04:49:26 (permalink)
I'm getting some heavy electrical buzz noise from my case that correlates with GPU load being applied. It sounds like an electrical buzzing noise sometimes changing frequencies. In a game when I go to the pause menu the GPU clocks drop back and so does the noise. As soon as load is reapplied the noise starts again.
 
I'm guessing it might be a capacitor/coil whine type thing but I cannot pin point whether it is coming from the PSU or the graphics card. Can a capacitor on the graphics card potentially be responsible for this or more likely the PSU? If so do I have a bad cap? My Seasonic X-750 Gold PSU is just over three years old and still well within ATX tolerances. I've tried putting a cardboard pipe to my ear but I still cannot pin point the noise exactly. 
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/23 05:02:55 (permalink)
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    I'm getting some heavy electrical buzz noise from my case that correlates with GPU load being applied. It sounds like an electrical buzzing noise sometimes changing frequencies. In a game when I go to the pause menu the GPU clocks drop back and so does the noise. As soon as load is reapplied the noise starts again.
     
    I'm guessing it might be a capacitor/coil whine type thing but I cannot pin point whether it is coming from the PSU or the graphics card. Can a capacitor on the graphics card potentially be responsible for this or more likely the PSU? If so do I have a bad cap? My Seasonic X-750 Gold PSU is just over three years old and still well within ATX tolerances. I've tried putting a cardboard pipe to my ear but I still cannot pin point the noise exactly. 


     
    More than likely it is the chokes/inductors squealing under load. Every single 2080Ti I've had come through here (somewhere around 10 by now) makes the same noise, some slightly worse than others but all easily audible. Manufacturer doesn't seem to matter. You can try to RMA but I've come to the conclusion (perhaps incorrectly, YMMV) that all 2080Ti's will behave this way. If I ever hear a completely quiet 2080Ti under load I'll change my mind.
     
    The least offensive one I experienced was from Gigabyte, probably because it used a full cover block that did well to damp the choke/inductor/vrm areas. Place your straw/tube next to those areas on the GPU and you will probably discover that I'm correct.


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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/23 05:12:51 (permalink)
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    I'm getting some heavy electrical buzz noise from my case that correlates with GPU load being applied. It sounds like an electrical buzzing noise sometimes changing frequencies. In a game when I go to the pause menu the GPU clocks drop back and so does the noise. As soon as load is reapplied the noise starts again.
     
    I'm guessing it might be a capacitor/coil whine type thing but I cannot pin point whether it is coming from the PSU or the graphics card. Can a capacitor on the graphics card potentially be responsible for this or more likely the PSU? If so do I have a bad cap? My Seasonic X-750 Gold PSU is just over three years old and still well within ATX tolerances. I've tried putting a cardboard pipe to my ear but I still cannot pin point the noise exactly. 




    Not sure which GPU we're talking about here but it's either coil whine which is pretty standard with every GPU as some are louder or quieter than others as degen already stated or it's pump noise if you're using a hybrid GPU.
     
    I have a 2080 Ti Black and has considerable coil whine but in the higher loads or 100+ FPS.

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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/23 05:13:05 (permalink)
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     More than likely it is the chokes/inductors squealing under load. Every single 2080Ti I've had come through here (somewhere around 10 by now) makes the same noise, some slightly worse than others but all easily audible. Manufacturer doesn't seem to matter. You can try to RMA but I've come to the conclusion (perhaps incorrectly, YMMV) that all 2080Ti's will behave this way. If I ever hear a completely quiet 2080Ti under load I'll change my mind.
     
    The least offensive one I experienced was from Gigabyte, probably because it used a full cover block that did well to damp the choke/inductor/vrm areas. Place your straw/tube next to those areas on the GPU and you will probably discover that I'm correct.




    If your hearing this noise on as many as 10 cards that can't be coincidence. When you say squealing I tend to think of a higher pitched noise. This is a lowish buzz noise but does have some higher pitched swirling frequency noises in it as well. Same noise your thinking of do you think?


     
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/23 05:17:01 (permalink)
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    Not sure which GPU we're talking about here but it's either coil whine which is pretty standard with every GPU as some are louder or quieter than others as degen already stated or it's pump noise if you're using a hybrid GPU.
     
    I have a 2080 Ti Black and has considerable coil whine but in the higher loads or 100+ FPS.




    2080 Ti FTW3 air cooler and I play at 3K 90-100 fps. Well this is very loud and pretty ugly sounding. Anyways gotta call it night and look at it again tomorrow. 


     
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/23 05:26:28 (permalink)
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    If your hearing this noise on as many as 10 cards that can't be coincidence. When you say squealing I tend to think of a higher pitched noise. This is a lowish buzz noise but does have some higher pitched swirling frequency noises in it as well. Same noise your thinking of do you think?




    Indeed, I used multiple PSU's as well. As for the noise I would call it more of a mid-range tone, different from your typical coil whine which essentially sounds like really high pitched whistling. This is more akin to an electrical buzzing as you stated, but it varies in pitch/severity with load/framerate in the same way coil whine does. Always emits from VRM areas, seems more audible on air-cooled cards.


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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/23 09:45:01 (permalink)
    Yep, same here (2080ti xc ultra), it is coil whine.
    I did one RMA, but the replacement also has coil whine, so I just decided to keep the original card.
    Now it has been a few weeks since I received my original card, and the coil whine does reduced, although still audible. 
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/23 10:19:19 (permalink)
    The 2080ti ftw3 also had coil whine but it was light on load. Quiet prob because of the hydro copper block but you could hear it.

    May fade with time.

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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/23 20:15:03 (permalink)
    If you can hear it while gaming, over speakers, while trying to do anything, then send that junk back. I will not pay $$$ for junk GPU's. BTW, I have an ROG Strix 2080Ti and no coil whine. 
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/23 22:23:36 (permalink)
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    If you can hear it while gaming, over speakers, while trying to do anything, then send that junk back. I will not pay $$$ for junk GPU's. BTW, I have an ROG Strix 2080Ti and no coil whine. 


    I'll make some decisions. The card was not noisy when I first got it, just in the last week or so.


     
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/24 07:45:58 (permalink)
    Both of the 2080Ti FTW3's had some coil whine; generally game with headphones on so... Its never been too much of a bother. Definitely less with the hydrocopper on it.

     
     
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/24 14:28:20 (permalink)
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    If so do I have a bad cap?

    Doubt it.

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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/28 03:48:42 (permalink)
    Oh boy my 2080 Ti FTW3 has just starting hissing and whining a lot worse from the VRM, even at idle with no load. It's coming directly from the VRM area of the card. This seems quite concerning, especially with no load on the GPU. Could some sort of failure potentially be imminent? Is it safe being in the machine? I just installed a brand new Seasonic Prime Platinum 1000W PSU this weekend, don't want any damage...
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/28 08:23:55 (permalink)
    You'll want to be sure that's where it's coming from. Roll a piece of paper into a cone shape to your ear to help in point it at load.

    Hope it's not the new psu.

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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/28 12:58:44 (permalink)
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    Oh boy my 2080 Ti FTW3 has just starting hissing and whining a lot worse from the VRM, even at idle with no load. It's coming directly from the VRM area of the card. This seems quite concerning, especially with no load on the GPU. Could some sort of failure potentially be imminent? Is it safe being in the machine? I just installed a brand new Seasonic Prime Platinum 1000W PSU this weekend, don't want any damage...


    Whine at idle. Strange. Maybe the new psu is causing the card to whine at idle.

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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/28 17:19:01 (permalink)
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    You'll want to be sure that's where it's coming from. Roll a piece of paper into a cone shape to your ear to help in point it at load.

    Hope it's not the new psu.



    Loud hissing noise coming from the VRM area of the board, don't even need a paper tube to locate it...


     
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/28 17:35:38 (permalink)
    So the psu is not directly below the card possibly reflecting the sound?

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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/28 17:40:27 (permalink)
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    So the psu is not directly below the card possibly reflecting the sound?



    I am about 100% positive the noise is coming from the GPU and not the PSU..


     
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/28 17:45:40 (permalink)
    Ok

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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/28 17:56:35 (permalink)
    This might sound weird but yesterday I went willy nilly deleting EVGA stuff in the registry before reinstalling PX1. The saying is always true, don't change stuff in the registry your not sure about. The consequence of that appeared to be random display port signal loss and system lock. Now that I have restored the registry backup file I made the display port issue is fixed. What I wanted to say was that the GPU noise appeared to get worse right around the time of mucking in the registry. It could be a coincidence or it could not be. I need to check the GPU again when I can to see if the same level of noise is there. I guess it's possible registry entries can affect the hardware operation??
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/28 22:51:39 (permalink)
    Noise at idle & low pstate is very strange... could it be a bad fan on the FTW3? Pump noise if it's a Hybrid card? Unlikely it's the new PSU but gotta go through the process of elimination. I have only ever heard noise under load & high framerates, never at idle (unless we count pump noise).
     
    I've read somewhere (GeForce forums maybe?) that Turing is more sensitive to dirty AC input power and can benefit from being used with a UPS or some sort voltage regulation. I use a line conditioner at the moment but may experiment with a UPS at some point, even though I don't think it will fix the noise under load.


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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/30 01:26:19 (permalink)
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    Noise at idle & low pstate is very strange... could it be a bad fan on the FTW3? Pump noise if it's a Hybrid card? Unlikely it's the new PSU but gotta go through the process of elimination. I have only ever heard noise under load & high framerates, never at idle (unless we count pump noise).
     
    I've read somewhere (GeForce forums maybe?) that Turing is more sensitive to dirty AC input power and can benefit from being used with a UPS or some sort voltage regulation. I use a line conditioner at the moment but may experiment with a UPS at some point, even though I don't think it will fix the noise under load.




    The idle noise has settled a bit but I can still put my ear close to the card and hear a faint buzzing as well as what sounds like a hard disk reading the platter noise strangely enough... It's like a ticking noise from the GPU!
     
    I have spoken to EVGA support and they have confirmed this is an inductor buzzing and have offered the opportunity to RMA but also not guaranteeing that a new card won't also have a loose/vibrating inductor. So I would like to know is this buzzing inductor truly a manufacturing defect and is it possible to get a card without it and worth my time RMA'ng? Perhaps my card is an example of what this noise is like at it's worst but I don't have much to compare to. I did find this video which appears to be same inductor noise, notice the comment "weird mine does not do that" 
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4HDhYdl-o&feature=youtu.be 


     
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/30 01:35:39 (permalink)
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     I've read somewhere (GeForce forums maybe?) that Turing is more sensitive to dirty AC input power and can benefit from being used with a UPS or some sort voltage regulation. I use a line conditioner at the moment but may experiment with a UPS at some point, even though I don't think it will fix the noise under load.




    Sorry missed this part. I am actually plugged into a CyberPower PFC Sinewave UPS, similar to this but I think this is the new version: https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product/ups/cp1500avrlcd/ Quite surprised that an UPS and brand new high quality PSU can't sort the GPU noise out, maybe it does not depend on the power quality at all?


     
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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/30 02:15:13 (permalink)
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    The idle noise has settled a bit but I can still put my ear close to the card and hear a faint buzzing as well as what sounds like a hard disk reading the platter noise strangely enough... It's like a ticking noise from the GPU!
     
    I have spoken to EVGA support and they have confirmed this is an inductor buzzing and have offered the opportunity to RMA but also not guaranteeing that a new card won't also have a loose/vibrating inductor. So I would like to know is this buzzing inductor truly a manufacturing defect and is it possible to get a card without it and worth my time RMA'ng? Perhaps my card is an example of what this noise is like at it's worst but I don't have much to compare to. I did find this video which appears to be same inductor noise, notice the comment "weird mine does not do that" 
     





    This is the same noise I've heard on every 2080Ti I've personally had come through here. I have never heard the noise while at idle though, like you described. It is inductor noise under load and I have a feeling it is normal for the majority of 2080Ti's but of course no way to test that except by testing large volumes of cards which I can't do. If you're okay with going without a card for 1-3 weeks then you can try to RMA. I would not get your hopes up though, in the event your replacement has the same issue.
     
    If it makes you feel any better my 2080Ti Kingpin makes the same type of noises under load. I personally won't bother RMA'ing though, my experience tells me it will just be a waste of time & money.
     
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    Sorry missed this part. I am actually plugged into a CyberPower PFC Sinewave UPS, similar to this but I think this is the new version: https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product/ups/cp1500avrlcd/ Quite surprised that an UPS and brand new high quality PSU can't sort the GPU noise out, maybe it does not depend on the power quality at all?



    I highly doubt it has much, if anything, to do with AC power noise; I've just always been meaning to pick up a UPS. The only reason I recently grabbed a new PSU was in an attempt to keep its fan from kicking-in while under gaming loads (most good modern PSU's have a fanless mode until ~40% load). Of course the additional headroom is always nice to have in the bag, too.


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    Re: Electrical noise with GPU load. 2019/04/30 02:53:39 (permalink)
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    This is the same noise I've heard on every 2080Ti I've personally had come through here. I have never heard the noise while at idle though, like you described. It is inductor noise under load and I have a feeling it is normal for the majority of 2080Ti's but of course no way to test that except by testing large volumes of cards which I can't do. If you're okay with going without a card for 1-3 weeks then you can try to RMA. I would not get your hopes up though, in the event your replacement has the same issue.
     
    If it makes you feel any better my 2080Ti Kingpin makes the same type of noises under load. I personally won't bother RMA'ing though, my experience tells me it will just be a waste of time & money.
     
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    Sorry missed this part. I am actually plugged into a CyberPower PFC Sinewave UPS, similar to this but I think this is the new version: https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product/ups/cp1500avrlcd/ Quite surprised that an UPS and brand new high quality PSU can't sort the GPU noise out, maybe it does not depend on the power quality at all?



    I highly doubt it has much, if anything, to do with AC power noise; I've just always been meaning to pick up a UPS. The only reason I recently grabbed a new PSU was in an attempt to keep its fan from kicking-in while under gaming loads (most good modern PSU's have a fanless mode until ~40% load). Of course the additional headroom is always nice to have in the bag, too.




    The UPS has been pretty invaluable with the number of power outages we experience. If you still have mechanical HDD's it's nice to know they will shutdown correctly and also a proper Windows shutdown prevents OS corruption from an abnormal shutdown. Then there is peace of mind knowing that you have regulated clean power going to the parts invested in your PC, for example power spikes or droops will corrected by the UPS. I think it is worth getting one. 
     
    I should be able to do an advanced RMA with EVGA in which they send the replacement card to me first so there is probably nothing to lose in at least trying this once...


     
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