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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 04:34:10
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kissTheApex Looks quite nice @Dabadger84.
On general, how much should one set aside for a decent closed loop system? Iâm not looking to extreme OC, but just a decent cpu and GPU only water cooling system.
Also, being a complete noob on all things liquid cooling, if one gets one of these HC cards, it eliminates the need to get a separate water block (and the possible complications of installing it on the card), correct?
I'll leave the water cooling and custom loop question to Dabadger. On your second question though, yes! That is correct. It eliminates the need to install anything (e.g. an air cooled card and a hybrid kit).
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 05:14:26
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thomasrcashI understand customer and vendor relations, but when I see cards at MicroCenter, Newegg, Amazon and Best Buy, but no one is moving on here...it makes me go "hmmmmmmmmmm"! They have contract with MicroCenter, Newegg, Amazon and Best Buy. And this contact probably was signed before even first RT 30 series card was released. They have obligations and can't just said "Sorry guys, we will sell GPUs by ourself directly to customers" - in this case they will pay a penalty.
Just wanted to point something out to you. thomasrcashI understand customer and vendor relations The point you are missing, and is emphasized by the que movement above, is EVGA has a que in place for a reason, and yes they have customers they deal with on a long term basis (in this case MicroCenter, Newegg, Amazon and Best Buy are EVGA's customers and EVGA is the vendor) they have also have decided to deal with the end user directly (the que.) When I see bunches of cards drop at customers and end users in the que are stagnant, it makes me wonder.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 05:18:55
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thomasrcash
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thomasrcashI understand customer and vendor relations, but when I see cards at MicroCenter, Newegg, Amazon and Best Buy, but no one is moving on here...it makes me go "hmmmmmmmmmm"! They have contract with MicroCenter, Newegg, Amazon and Best Buy. And this contact probably was signed before even first RT 30 series card was released. They have obligations and can't just said "Sorry guys, we will sell GPUs by ourself directly to customers" - in this case they will pay a penalty.
Just wanted to point something out to you.
thomasrcashI understand customer and vendor relations
The point you are missing, and is emphasized by the que movement above, is EVGA has a que in place for a reason, and yes they have customers they deal with on a long term basis (in this case MicroCenter, Newegg, Amazon and Best Buy are EVGA's customers and EVGA is the vendor) they have also have decided to deal with the end user directly (the que.)
When I see bunches of cards drop at customers and end users in the que are stagnant, it makes me wonder.
I think the issue remains that they have to meet these other commitments first prior to selling direct on their own website and they simply haven't received enough actual silicon from Nvidia to make more. I'm absolutely sure they would love to sell more and empty the entire backlog in every queue, but they can't sell what they don't have in the first place.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 05:56:16
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TheRealMikeVan I'll leave the water cooling and custom loop question to Dabadger. On your second question though, yes! That is correct. It eliminates the need to install anything (e.g. an air cooled card and a hybrid kit).
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 06:03:16
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2/25/2021 9:25:44 AM PTYes Well, I finally got a notify for the 3060 XC yesterday. I had coached my son on also joining the queue that morning, but just found out he clicked on the wrong card (the TI) so now I'll be kind and give him this one. Back to waiting!
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 06:06:55
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Jimmy81 I think the issue remains that they have to meet these other commitments first prior to selling direct on their own website and they simply haven't received enough actual silicon from Nvidia to make more.
I no doubt think they are having issues getting Nvidia chips. But the other commitments first is an idea I would be curious to see the answer to. Because the concept as you presented means we shouldn't have received the first cards because you know that their customers had orders in before the launch date. (The soonest we could sign up on the que.) The opposite side of that coin is what is the point of being on the que? In the end we are talking about vendor-customer contracts and agreements and there is no way EVGA is going to share those! Either way, I like EVGA as a company and their products. These are just things that make me go hmmmmmm.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 06:07:50
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Good morning everyone, and good luck today!
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 06:07:55
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thomasrcash Just wanted to point something out to you.
thomasrcashI understand customer and vendor relations
Then there honestly shouldn't be any question. They need to send cards to their contracted vendors first, queue comes second. I'm sure they'd rather sell every card via the queue for full retail direct to you and I instead of selling them Best Buy, Newegg and Micro Center for what is likely very favorable (to BB/NE/MC) wholesale rates and get all the extra money but that's not a great long-term plan. There's no need for a "Hmmmm..." or conspiracy theories here about why EVGA isn't taking the most profitable short-term route. It's just common sense. You and I are customers. MC/NE/BB are also customers. MC/NE/BB are much more important customers because you and I might buy one or two cards every few years and MC/NE/BB buy tens of thousands or millions of cards in that time (assuming EVGA can get the chips, these days). Plus power supplies, motherboards, keyboards and whatever else they put their name on. So, yeah, the guy who buys 10,000x more than you gets priority over the single-purchase queue.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 06:09:20
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where are we at right now in the 10G-P5-3897-KR? I lost the spreadsheet link and my time is 10/1/2020 8:22:01 AM PT
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 06:15:06
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patrickisfrench where are we at right now in the 10G-P5-3897-KR? I lost the spreadsheet link and my time is 10/1/2020 8:22:01 AM PT
still where we basically were at the end of the week before last. The hybrids came out and the queue stood still. I think maybe 1 card has gone out.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 06:16:37
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3897 is currently at 9/20/2020 11:50:08 according to the latest update from enewt
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 06:31:01
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 06:36:05
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Jimmy81 I think the issue remains that they have to meet these other commitments first prior to selling direct on their own website and they simply haven't received enough actual silicon from Nvidia to make more.
I no doubt think they are having issues getting Nvidia chips. But the other commitments first is an idea I would be curious to see the answer to. Because the concept as you presented means we shouldn't have received the first cards because you know that their customers had orders in before the launch date. (The soonest we could sign up on the que.) The opposite side of that coin is what is the point of being on the que?
In the end we are talking about vendor-customer contracts and agreements and there is no way EVGA is going to share those! Either way, I like EVGA as a company and their products. These are just things that make me go hmmmmmm.
I still don't think I quite understand what is making you go hmmm. I'd like to understand that point you're trying to make but I'm still confused about it. miguelmotocross075 24G-P5-3998-KR 12/16/2020 7:06:46 PM PT Yes Waiting for my Kingpin today! :)
Congrats!! Enjoy your beast of a card!!! :D
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 06:36:43
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andersonroy 2/25/2021 9:25:44 AM PTYes  Well, I finally got a notify for the 3060 XC yesterday. I had coached my son on also joining the queue that morning, but just found out he clicked on the wrong card (the TI) so now I'll be kind and give him this one. Back to waiting! Â
Oh he did, didnât he? Lol.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 07:12:48
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miguelmotocross075 24G-P5-3998-KR 12/16/2020 7:06:46 PM PT Yes Waiting for my Kingpin today! :)
Congrats!! Enjoy your beast of a card!!! :D
Thanks!!
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 07:22:53
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miguelmotocross075 24G-P5-3998-KR 12/16/2020 7:06:46 PM PT Yes Waiting for my Kingpin today! :)
Congrats!! Enjoy your beast of a card!!! :D
Thanks!!
Now it's time to throw that MSI in the trash where it belongs. Just kidding ;)
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 07:46:00
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kissTheApex Looks quite nice @Dabadger84.
On general, how much should one set aside for a decent closed loop system? Iâm not looking to extreme OC, but just a decent cpu and GPU only water cooling system.
Also, being a complete noob on all things liquid cooling, if one gets one of these HC cards, it eliminates the need to get a separate water block (and the possible complications of installing it on the card), correct?
I'm by no means an expert, I'm a noob when it comes to LC stuff, but my take is this: If you want to put together a quality loop, especially with a GPU integrated (Hydro-copper cost no withstanding, and yes, getting the HydroCopper means it's preinstalled & warrantied with the block so you don't have to worry about anything but getting fittings for it, all HydroCoppers come with 1/4" threads if I recall correctly, so any standard fitting will fit on them), you'd need about $600-$800 set aside. Initial reaction is "that's a lot" - but, if you go the route I went, and buy a kit, EK's Quantum P360 comes with CPU block, radiator, Pump/Res combo (that's a D5 so it's quality), tubing & all the other knickknacks you'd need, fans etc, for $549 + shipping - then if you want a bigger/second radiator for the GPU portion of the setup, you order that separately. Additional tubing is only another $15, and extra fittings (which you would need for both the GPU & for another radiator if you want 2) would be another $35 or so. I spent about $800 on this loop give or take, but that's because of the upgrade to the 480mm XE (60mm thick radiator), and extra fan cost of doing push/pull so I needed 8 fans, the P360 kit only came with 3. If you're not going to push hard on OCs, you could always part out together your own loop & just do one XE radiator for everything, depending on what your case can fit, cuz doing a 60mm thick radiator with Push/Pull requires 110mm+ of clearance to mount it with the fans on it. But if you're not going to push clocks really hard, a single radiator setup would be fine, I would guess. EK's site has a configurator that walks you through part selection to ensure you have all the parts you'd need to build a complete loop, that's how I parted mine out at first, then once I determined getting the P360 Quantum kit was about $100 cheaper than buying the initial parts separately, I just ordered that with the extra fans & such instead.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 07:55:37
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**pokes the 3897** C'mon do something!!! :(
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 08:04:42
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Dabadger84
I'm by no means an expert, I'm a noob when it comes to LC stuff, but my take is this: ..........
Thanks, this helps a lot. Especially with the HC card information. Considering one would avoid the regular cpu fan cost (be it air cooled or an AIO) the price would be considered palatable, if thereâs adequate space in the case. At least, for me, that seems to be that case (no pun intended). My ideal performance/price point seems to be 3080 Hybrid, but having been on that list only very recently (2/18), I donât think Iâll get a notification anytime soon and may have to try and jump either on a 3080 HC or the alleged 3080Ti*, if the queue(s) opens up soon. *Not to go on a tangent , but I think if there will be a 3080Ti release, EVGA would want to time it with the April 16th price increase, so they can avoid changing prices soon after the launch.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 08:21:46
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Dabadger84
I'm by no means an expert, I'm a noob when it comes to LC stuff, but my take is this: ..........
Thanks, this helps a lot. Especially with the HC card information. Considering one would avoid the regular cpu fan cost (be it air cooled or an AIO) the price would be considered palatable, if thereâs adequate space in the case. At least, for me, that seems to be that case (no pun intended).
My ideal performance/price point seems to be 3080 Hybrid, but having been on that list only very recently (2/18), I donât think Iâll get a notification anytime soon and may have to try and jump either on a 3080 HC or the alleged 3080Ti*, if the queue(s) opens up soon.
*Not to go on a tangent , but I think if there will be a 3080Ti release, EVGA would want to time it with the April 16th price increase, so they can avoid changing prices soon after the launch.
I don't think the Ti will be coming until at least July personally, but we'll see. Keep in mind the 3080 Ti has supposedly "evolved" from an interface similar to the 3080 to more along the lines of a 3090, with less VRAM etc, according to more recent "leaks" about it. If you're wanting to go liquid cooling, jumping on the HydroCopper bright & early will be a great option for you, hopefully we actually get a "warning" before the HydroCopper cards & blocks go live again so folks like myself can get in queue "early" without being "bot" early lol
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 08:30:48
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Jimmy81
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thomasrcashI understand customer and vendor relations, but when I see cards at MicroCenter, Newegg, Amazon and Best Buy, but no one is moving on here...it makes me go "hmmmmmmmmmm"! They have contract with MicroCenter, Newegg, Amazon and Best Buy. And this contact probably was signed before even first RT 30 series card was released. They have obligations and can't just said "Sorry guys, we will sell GPUs by ourself directly to customers" - in this case they will pay a penalty.
Just wanted to point something out to you.
thomasrcashI understand customer and vendor relations
The point you are missing, and is emphasized by the que movement above, is EVGA has a que in place for a reason, and yes they have customers they deal with on a long term basis (in this case MicroCenter, Newegg, Amazon and Best Buy are EVGA's customers and EVGA is the vendor) they have also have decided to deal with the end user directly (the que.)
When I see bunches of cards drop at customers and end users in the que are stagnant, it makes me wonder.
I think the issue remains that they have to meet these other commitments first prior to selling direct on their own website and they simply haven't received enough actual silicon from Nvidia to make more. I'm absolutely sure they would love to sell more and empty the entire backlog in every queue, but they can't sell what they don't have in the first place.
I'm not entirely sure about this. It's easier to fill boxes with a bunch of GPUs and ship them to a single retailer. A lot of signups are probably not monitored too closely, so it's probably why we see straggler drops continue for a few days. They probably have one or two queue drops a week, because it is more labor to ship these items out one by one. Guaranteed purchase orders are a little more business friendly. But for sure, they make more on selling direct. I just don't know how much it is offset by also having to contact and ship to direct purchasers.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 08:44:49
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static.quai I just don't know how much it is offset by also having to contact and ship to direct purchasers.
In theory, this is being offset by the $15 shipping charge (minimum) you get dinged with when you buy a card from the queue. That's not fifteen bucks all to UPS but also covering the labor to toss your card in a brown box and slap a label on it and put it in the UPS pick-up pile.
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
2021/03/11 08:46:15
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Jacob as he gets in this morning...."Alright. It's Thursday. Time to make up for Tuesday and Wednesday on the 3897s. I know you can do it."
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Ok. Day one without a waffle. Apologies if I am a bit extra cranky today. So we've been at this pandemic thing now for a year. I don't know about you, but I am over it. We have a tradition in my family that goes back forty years. As a kid, on weekends and holidays, I would remain in my pjs well into the afternoon. My parents -- who were very stingy on sugary things (including waffles) -- would, by around 9 am or so, state emphatically that those who remained in their sleeping clothes were "not real people"...in other words, only if you got showered, dressed, etc. for the day could you then transform into a real person. And, yes, you guessed it: much like coffee is for closers, sugary delights are for real people. Well, for the last year, I have been violating that rule as I work from home. I am rarely a real person these days. Yet, a year ago, I raided Costco for trail mix (and supplemented with a Costco-sized peanut m&m bucket. And the rest of the year...well, it went downhill from there. Going forward, I am going to continue to mask up until I am vacc-ed up. And, Thor willing, we will get through this and back to soccer games, school events, neighborhood get-togethers, in-person playdates and...life. (Yes, I am still playing Valheim, why do you ask?) As of 8:55 am PT Thursday, March 11, this is the status of the North American queues ( bolded font represents movement from the morning of March 10; italicized parentheticals calculate the length of movement from the prior report): Card SKU Auto-Notify Timestamp / (Change from Previous Summary) Ultra3090 FTW3 Ultra 3987 10/16/2020 11:06:06 (08:11:00) 3090 XC3 Ultra 3975 10/05/2020 20:52:00 3080 FTW3 Ultra 3897 09/20/2020 11:50:08 3080 XC3 Ultra 3885 09/18/2020 08:26:34 3070 FTW3 Ultra 3767 10/30/2020 08 :48:56 3070 XC3 Ultra 3755 11/06/2020 14:20:03 3060 Ti FTW3 Ultra 3667 12/01/2020 07:20:52 Gaming3090 FTW3 Gaming 3985 09/24/2020 16:12:06 3090 XC3 Gaming 3973 09/24/2020 00:00:00 3080 FTW3 Gaming 3895 09/16/2020 00:00:00 3080 XC3 Gaming 3883 09/16/2020 11:01:20 3070 XC3 Gaming 3753 10/29/2020 06:20:00 3060 Ti FTW3 Gaming 3665 12/08/2020 15:52:06 3060 Ti XC3 Gaming 3663 12/01/2020 07:30:59 (00:03:04) 3060 XC3 Gaming 3657 02/25/2021 09:27:20 (00:04:09) Black3090 XC3 Black 3971 09/24/2020 00:00:00 3080 XC3 Black 3881 09/16/2020 15:14:00 3070 XC3 Black 3751 10/29/2020 06:19:23 3060 XC3 Black 3655 02/25/2021 09:02:11 Hybrid 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid 3988 12/10/2020 19:57:49 (03:12:04) 3090 XC3 Ultra Hybrid 3978 12/08/2020 14:19:07 3080 FTW3 Ultra Hybrid 3898 12/16/ 2020 09:05:12 3080 XC3 Ultra Hybrid 3888 12/10/2020 09:08:56 Hydro Copper (XC3 Delayed)3090 FTW 3 Ultra HC 3989 11/13/2020 09:54:29 (00:17:25)3090 XC3 Ultra HC 3979 11/13/2020 00:00:00 3080 FTW3 Ultra HC 3899 11/13/2020 09:13:29 3080 XC3 Ultra HC 3889 11/13/2020 00:00:00 K|NGP|N (Queue sheet) 3998 12/19/2020 16:25:12 (30:06:47) May your remaining wait be shorter than you anticipate; it is already longer than you deserve. Best of luck!
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
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static.quai I just don't know how much it is offset by also having to contact and ship to direct purchasers.
In theory, this is being offset by the $15 shipping charge (minimum) you get dinged with when you buy a card from the queue. That's not fifteen bucks all to UPS but also covering the labor to toss your card in a brown box and slap a label on it and put it in the UPS pick-up pile.
I hear you, but it's like. I'm going to make up numbers. Let's say their margins are 30% to retailers. It's probably higher, but I don't know. That 15 dollars doesn't do a lot for shipping, when they have to confirm an order, package it up, and send it out. As consumers, we wouldn't accept 50 dollar shipping, so it's 15. If you can ship 10000s to one retailer, it is cheaper than doing it in onesies. Especially with a guaranteed sell out everywhere, so all retailers are drooling for product. So maybe that margin becomes 50%, but the 1060s aren't that pricey. Some of the 70s aren't either, so what's the extra 20% vs mass shipping? I don't even think Amazon is too in to this game, so more NewEgg, BestBuy, and MicroCenter. Yea, it's nice to ship to direct buyers, but if it was the bees knees, they would only ship direct.
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static.quai
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
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Dabadger84 Can I just say, this CPU block, now that it works (sort of, I'm ordering an EK connect controller to hopefully get it fully working & controllable) looks dope af?
That's just it's default lighting pattern (rainbow wave I think). Also pretty happy with clear fluid, think I'm going to stick with it. Good luck on the drops today folks... hoping we hear something, finally, about Hydro-copper blocks being sold separately for sure soon, I want one for me card :-P Not because I "need it" but because I can. :-D
Your builds are sick. I don't know what back water piece of middle America you live in (I grew up there, so it's not a slight at all), but you got some skills.
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defensor Jacob as he gets in this morning...."Alright. It's Thursday. Time to make up for Tuesday and Wednesday on the 3897s. I know you can do it."
Hey wait did he actually say/tweet that? Or is it a fantasy in your brain? I'm super close to where we are right now in the queue so the 3897 needs to moooooooooooove lol!
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Re: New EVGA.com Notification Checkout Process
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Urobulus **pokes the 3897** C'mon do something!!! :(
inorite? "Randy lay there like a slug.....it was his only defense" lol Good luck today peeps!
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enewt Ok. Day one without a waffle. Apologies if I am a bit extra cranky today. So we've been at this pandemic thing now for a year. I don't know about you, but I am over it.
I was over it two months in. We need things to go back to normal. Thank you for your updates.
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Hoping for some 3898 movement today as well!
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