Hello I just found this page and I feel like I missed 3 years of info and conversations LOL. I signed up for 3767 and it feel like watching molasses move....

skleidnbfoies

enewt

mdcurry
I believe we are now in a new era for scalping. Scalpers in the future will buy up all inventory and try to corner the market, only let cards dribble out at high prices. Interest rates are low so no cost to carry inventory. Sorta like computer OPEC.

eBay's earnings from Q4 indicate exactly this.

I really don't think so. I looked up the earnings per share for ebay and it was exactly the same for Q3 and Q4. I am not a stock market expert however and I might be misinterpreting data.

Respectfully, you are incorrect.  I don't know ebays earnings, but any search on scalpers earnings are in the 100s of millions.  It's a scourge.

Page 777. I hope it's the page of good luck.

That “middle man” is probably in there pocket

rcosika
Wow.  Lots and lots of understandable angst on these forums. Here are few thoughts:
 
1.  These are unprecedented times in all our lives.  Many thousands of persons have died, and countless millions have been adversely affected by a pandemic of epic proportions.  Supply chains and entire economies across the world are struggling to meet the demands of our "new normal."  Please try to keep some perspective on the sheer vastness of this problem.  It's not just PC parts - it's almost everything!
 
2.  The electronic age is fully upon us, with lightning fast communications and data transfers.  No one waits for anything anymore, really.  But with that comes an artificial sense of supply, demand, and need.  Plus, "value" is something that we define for ourselves.  For example, in days gone by, "value" came in form of say, food, for a service rendered; then economies were built on a monetary concept against a "valuable," typically rare commodity (think gold).  Now we have cybercurrency, which has no basis in anything valuable other than what someone is willing to trade for it.  Amazing and mind-numbing at the same time.  
 
3.  Like most of you, I hate scalpers - defined by me as those individuals who intentionally try to prey on the needs of others (real or perceived).    Scalping has almost become a profession for these unsavory people.  Taking advantage of others is just wrong.  But it is everywhere - I'm sure there are scalpers lurking among us on this very site (and I'm sure they are registered in the queues).  Heck, I just read an article where scalpers are buying up Pokemon cards at McDonalds to re-sell for ridiculous prices.  Not cool.  Can't do much about it, except not buy from them.
 
4.  Remember that eBay is an auction site - they take a cut of whatever people are willing to spent for others' goods.  The final selling price for ANY item on eBay represents what others perceive the "value" to be.  So, don't get mad at eBay, EVGA, or anyone else for this scalping situation...be mad at the scalpers who are simply taking advantage of bad situation.  AND...don't buy from them.  Doing so simply propagates the problem; everyone who bids up an item on eBay becomes part of the problem...think about that for a moment.  
 
5.  In our case, the heart of the issue is the limited supply of physical GPUs and the various PCB components.  Believe me, every company is selling these GPUs as quickly as they can make them.  And if they could make them faster, they would.  But they can't.  The supply is at a trickle, as we've seen on these forums with the queues, and in the "real world" with retail shortages.  Asus, EVGA, MSI, whoever can only sell what they produce.  Remember that if no one bought these cards, even the MSRPs would eventually go down.  This situation will not improve until the market becomes saturated with products to the extent that it starts to limit the overall demand - there are no other "controls" that will help.  At least the EVGA queue gives you a guaranteed opportunity to make a purchase when stock becomes available.  Another huge factor here is the crypto-miners, as they suck up cards at a ridiculous rate for their very wasteful (overall) get-rich-quick, money-for-nothing scheme.  Too bad you can't use something no one cares about for crypto-mining (think dog poop, maybe) - that would be awesome!  
 
In the end, there isn't much we can do except be patient and stay civil.  For what it is worth, a GPU is just a thing, and eventually we will all get one.  In the meantime, we can share our tales and keep each other's spirits up!  Better days are yet to come, so hang in there, friends!  Good luck going forward!  

Thanks again to enewt and others for all the hard work to keep the forum lively, informed and fun!  Stay safe!  
 
Regards,
 
Bob~

Well said!

Even the f150 plant by my house is now down to 1 shift from 3 for the next month due ti chip shortages. GM is in a similar idling I've heard.

It's affecting all aspects for sure.

They say patience is a virtue.  
But no one has ever accused me of being virtuous.

rcosika
As good as it is, one of the things that is so frustrating to everyone is all the "unknowns" with the queue system, right?  Think about all the things we don't know:

• We don't know how many people are in the queues.
• We don't know how many people are ahead of us.
• We don't know how many cards are allocated to the queues.
• We don't know how many cards are coming or when they will arrive.
• We don't know how many people get notifies and then don't make a purchase.
• We don't know how many people get notifies and do make a purchase (unless they self-report it).
• We don't know how many queue purchases end up directly on eBay.
• The list goes on and on...

That is why it is sooo amazing that folks like enewt are able to literally stitch together little bits and pieces of information to at least provide some meaningful insight.  A fantastic effort to at least help give us an idea of when we might get our chance to make a purchase.  It's a tiny glimmer of hope they provide.  So, thanks!
 
What would be helpful would be if EVGA could share some basic queue information aside from which products are being released to the queue on any given day.  I mean, let's face it, they know exactly who is in the queue and what position they occupy (after all, it's their queue system!). 
 
Clearly, they won't share that level of granularity for fear of their customer service group getting overrun with calls, but I'm sure they could share some meaningful information to help us out.  For example, "as of this Friday, we have xxxx people in the SKU 3xxx queue, and to date, we've sold cards to yyyy of them." Not so specific that people could nit-pick the data, but at least something to show how things are progressing.  That would be very cool, indeed.
 
To sleep, perchance to dream....  

 
Thanks for putting this together.  The lack of transparency and information is frustrating to say the least. 
 
Thanks also for the very kind words; they are appreciated.  
 
Despite all of the frustrations, I continue to believe in the queue.  "This is the queue; This is the way."

Same frustration here.
Tired of hearing "Unprecedented Times".
I'd rather hear that nVidia is crushing and delivering hundreds of thousands of chips.
How many 3080 boards have been delivered since 9/17/2020? 
Basically, they're sitting on a gold mine, and all they have to do is churn out these things to get money.
Unfortunately, the damned scalpers (who were scalping before these so-called "Unprecedented Times") seem to have a higher profit margin than either nVidia, individual card makers, or even the resellers.
 
It's gotta happen sometime--at some point, nVidia's going to release so many cards, it shuts down the scalpers.
 

The queue is pretty fair imo. The supply is what it is.

So I have 10 more minutes to wait lol
not like I have 800 bucks atm to spend on 3950x, but if I can get my aunt to lend me money till my work gets busy again in a couple months then that would be great, but not holding my breath

i was selected for a 3070 in the shuffle.

rcosika
   Scalping has almost become a profession for these unsavory people. 

Oh, it is a profession. Concert tickets is their usual cash cow, but since that's not happening they are looking for other ways to siphon money from people. They use bots to buy up prime campsites on Reserve America and they sell the reservations. They buy up limited edition, and other popular toys and scalp them in the months leading up to Xmas. They camp out at Gamestop so they can get one of the two PS5's that the store has in stock. Someone just mentioned the McDonalds scam. GPU's have obviously caught their attention as well. Talk about an unproductive job, and by that I mean unproductive to society. That's why I think scalping should be illegal, but try telling that to US politicians. They can't hear you from those court side NBA seats that they didn't pay for. This isn't new and it has been dragged in front of Congress before. There just isn't any political will to do anything about it. Scalping has been going on since the 1950's. Elvis Presley unwittingly started the whole thing. It took a while for it to really catch on, but by the late 1960's it was prevalent in sports, theater, and music.
 
Sorry to get off topic for a moment. But, yes, there is a tie-in with the queue. There are scalpers among us here and there are scalpers laced all through the queue. They are hoping just like us that they will get their card ASAP, albeit for a different reason. Because of them, the rest of us will have to wait longer to get our card at cost. And that's fine. I would rather wait. If people would stop giving scalpers oxygen they would go away in a short period of time. It's that simple, really.
 

Looks like Shuffle dodged me todae too, oh well ^_^

enewt

subdude
No wins today for me on 'The Shuf'
 
Gonna go play L4D2 lol

I so enjoyed that game.  I was able to play a little bit of the Back 4 Blood beta in December...it looks like a good spiritual successor.  Looking forward to its release in May or June...I wonder if I will have my card by then...(gulp).

You didn't end up buying the Kingpin afterall? Sadface.

I wonder if mining xc3 3080 HC is feasible hm