nick_shl

CheemonstonzoEven if they have a watchdog and I2C security chip (like Xbox controllers), this can still be spoofed or bypassed with a firmware flash.

BIOS encrypted, decryption key inside GPU. Even if you will be able to extract it somehow it may be public-key cryptography algorithm and you will be able decrypt BIOS with this key, but you will not be able to encrypt you own BIOS. Good luck with that.

CheemonstonzoNo software in uncrackable.

"Unhackable" mean that effort exceed reasonable time or money amount. If you have enough money you don't have to hack thing at all - you can just make your own.

This is a good point.  nVidia only has to make it too difficult and time consuming to be worth it.  Look how long the GeForce virtualization lock has held strong.  You may be onto something here.

Bora1114

vndragonslayer1
 
we dont have this data but i can assure u this sku sold the most..

3881 - 18.9% of notifies

If this is accurate I would assume not a lot of cards are going out. I believe that queue hasn't moved in over four months. I'm still sitting on a date of 9/16 at 3:45 pm.

undecided65

Cheemonstonzo

nick_shl

xeddexSounds like it's a physical change to the chips.  However that doesn't mean it's not crackable; just depends on what they changed.  If they changed the chip where it has a bit of silicon that's a flag to say "hey i don't do crypto" then presumably bypassable since software would check for the flag and software can be hacked.

Nope! Software can not be hacked if it done right. Actually it is simple: chip can provide some data(every time different) to the driver, driver should make some calculations and send result back into chip, chip check result and if it right - unlock mining. To make this unhackable, Nvidia must move calculations to own server and driver should ask server to do it. In this case they can check if it request from legit developer. Because you can't get algorithm to transform data, you can't hack it.

This would an always-online-DRM to use your GPU.  If someone has the capability to modify the driver & BIOS, they strip out the call-home functions and just flash a different ID that will only work with their driver.  nVidia driver package will ignore this GPU as ID won't match.

Only for mining, for gaming, you don't have to be 'online', the check would fail if offline but GPU will function fine for gaming.

That’s DRM for GPU’s as previously stated. This should NOT be done as this would set a terrible precedent. Great way to scare people away from Nvidia cards.

I'm guessing there's a shipment of EVGA's cards sitting on a ship waiting outside of Long Beach based on the minimal queue movement this week.

So my sources online and in person are seeing the mining demand somewhat waning. ETH 1559 is due soon, and 2022 ETH will move to proof of stake (no more mining). Sure there are alt coins, but none are anywhere near the realm of profitability of ETH right now, even though ETH has been profiting 30-50% lower than what miners are used to. 
 
Guess which demand is not shrinking at all, and there seems to be next to NOTHING that we can do about it, sadly ...? 
 
Scalpers!
 
One of my friends camped at a microcenter last night, and nearly everyone in front of him (25 people) was buying a card with 100% intent to scalp selling online. Most buyers behind him admitted to only being there with the hope of scalping a card for a quick buck. The scalpers significantly outnumbered the miners and gamers COMBINED. 
 
By buying virtually all the supply they can, they leave gamers (and miners) that don't live close to a microcenter or luck out on a random best buy drop to have only one source: online scalped sales.
 
I was really hoping to see these mega scalped prices slow down. Some of my mining friends are even selling some of their cards because profitability is lowering and they're sick of camping or waiting or wearing out their F5 buttons hoping to get a card. But for some reason people keep paying eBay prices! As long as people keep doing that, scalpers are gonna keep camping by the hundred at microcenters and hiring bots to beat humans to any potential online MSRP sales. 
 
I used to think that miners were the ones lining up because I befriended a couple of miners months ago when I did my first campout overnight in front of a microcenter, hoping for a 3080 (I failed, lol). It seems like the vast majority of folk lining up are scalpers now. 

NVM

h2ocaver

SirKronan
 The scalpers significantly outnumbered the miners and gamers COMBINED. 
 

I don't see how this works out mathematically. If the Suppliers out number the demanders, then who is buying from the suppliers?? 

The suppliers?????

Holybull

SirKronan
So my sources online and in person are seeing the mining demand somewhat waning. ETH 1559 is due soon, and 2022 ETH will move to proof of stake (no more mining). Sure there are alt coins, but none are anywhere near the realm of profitability of ETH right now, even though ETH has been profiting 30-50% lower than what miners are used to. 
 
Guess which demand is not shrinking at all, and there seems to be next to NOTHING that we can do about it, sadly ...? 
 
Scalpers!
 
One of my friends camped at a microcenter last night, and nearly everyone in front of him (25 people) was buying a card with 100% intent to scalp selling online. Most buyers behind him admitted to only being there with the hope of scalping a card for a quick buck. The scalpers significantly outnumbered the miners and gamers COMBINED. 
 
By buying virtually all the supply they can, they leave gamers (and miners) that don't live close to a microcenter or luck out on a random best buy drop to have only one source: online scalped sales.
 
I was really hoping to see these mega scalped prices slow down. Some of my mining friends are even selling some of their cards because profitability is lowering and they're sick of camping or waiting or wearing out their F5 buttons hoping to get a card. But for some reason people keep paying eBay prices! As long as people keep doing that, scalpers are gonna keep camping by the hundred at microcenters and hiring bots to beat humans to any potential online MSRP sales. 
 
I used to think that miners were the ones lining up because I befriended a couple of miners months ago when I did my first campout overnight in front of a microcenter, hoping for a 3080 (I failed, lol). It seems like the vast majority of folk lining up are scalpers now. 

On my local Offerup, there are a few sellers where you can see on their profile that they are selling multiple cards along with sneakers and other collectibles. What's a bit odd is that one guy seems to always have EVGA Black Series all the time.

That's why I'll never go on Offerup or Newegg.

Holybull

SirKronan
So my sources online and in person are seeing the mining demand somewhat waning. ETH 1559 is due soon, and 2022 ETH will move to proof of stake (no more mining). Sure there are alt coins, but none are anywhere near the realm of profitability of ETH right now, even though ETH has been profiting 30-50% lower than what miners are used to. 
 
Guess which demand is not shrinking at all, and there seems to be next to NOTHING that we can do about it, sadly ...? 
 
Scalpers!
 
One of my friends camped at a microcenter last night, and nearly everyone in front of him (25 people) was buying a card with 100% intent to scalp selling online. Most buyers behind him admitted to only being there with the hope of scalping a card for a quick buck. The scalpers significantly outnumbered the miners and gamers COMBINED. 
 
By buying virtually all the supply they can, they leave gamers (and miners) that don't live close to a microcenter or luck out on a random best buy drop to have only one source: online scalped sales.
 
I was really hoping to see these mega scalped prices slow down. Some of my mining friends are even selling some of their cards because profitability is lowering and they're sick of camping or waiting or wearing out their F5 buttons hoping to get a card. But for some reason people keep paying eBay prices! As long as people keep doing that, scalpers are gonna keep camping by the hundred at microcenters and hiring bots to beat humans to any potential online MSRP sales. 
 
I used to think that miners were the ones lining up because I befriended a couple of miners months ago when I did my first campout overnight in front of a microcenter, hoping for a 3080 (I failed, lol). It seems like the vast majority of folk lining up are scalpers now. 

On my local Offerup, there are a few sellers where you can see on their profile that they are selling multiple cards along with sneakers and other collectibles. What's a bit odd is that one guy seems to always have EVGA Black Series all the time.

Those Step-up cards aren't going to B-stock....

One more thing about all this is a fact I have learned from personal experience. Miners are a good outlet to resale old gaming cards. Before septemberish when someone brought in a PC for an upgrade with a 1060 or rx580 it was hard to get a decent price to sell it. Hell i posted several 1060's I had lying around on craigslist over the summer for $50. They stayed there for 2 weeks until a guy messaged me about them. He gave me more than my asking in exchange for letting him know if I had anymore older cards come through because he wanted to purchase them. I've sold him several dozens of older cards at this point. 

SirKronan
So my sources online and in person are seeing the mining demand somewhat waning. ETH 1559 is due soon, and 2022 ETH will move to proof of stake (no more mining). Sure there are alt coins, but none are anywhere near the realm of profitability of ETH right now, even though ETH has been profiting 30-50% lower than what miners are used to. 
 
Guess which demand is not shrinking at all, and there seems to be next to NOTHING that we can do about it, sadly ...? 
 
Scalpers!
 
One of my friends camped at a microcenter last night, and nearly everyone in front of him (25 people) was buying a card with 100% intent to scalp selling online. Most buyers behind him admitted to only being there with the hope of scalping a card for a quick buck. The scalpers significantly outnumbered the miners and gamers COMBINED. 
 
By buying virtually all the supply they can, they leave gamers (and miners) that don't live close to a microcenter or luck out on a random best buy drop to have only one source: online scalped sales.
 
I was really hoping to see these mega scalped prices slow down. Some of my mining friends are even selling some of their cards because profitability is lowering and they're sick of camping or waiting or wearing out their F5 buttons hoping to get a card. But for some reason people keep paying eBay prices! As long as people keep doing that, scalpers are gonna keep camping by the hundred at microcenters and hiring bots to beat humans to any potential online MSRP sales. 
 
I used to think that miners were the ones lining up because I befriended a couple of miners months ago when I did my first campout overnight in front of a microcenter, hoping for a 3080 (I failed, lol). It seems like the vast majority of folk lining up are scalpers now. 

At the end I wonder who is buying from scalpers?
Lazy gamers and wealthy miners?

nick_shl

aliop1That’s DRM for GPU’s as previously stated. This should NOT be done as this would set a terrible precedent. Great way to scare people away from Nvidia cards.

Mining limiter designed Nvidia as permanent solution that should never be unlocked for customers. And this limiter is not scare people away from Nvidia RTX 3060 at all. This DRM mechanism should not be used at all, it just a precaution measure in case if Nvidia will decide to give someone full mining power in future for some reason. And if they decide to unlock full power for everyone - they can release driver that can generate answer by itself without requesting server to do that.

Let's just hope that unlocking will not accidentally happen again, at least until the end of the year....

finaltouch68
Any drops today? I do not feel like going back on 50 posts to check.

I haven't seen any.

Nike_7688

finaltouch68
Any drops today? I do not feel like going back on 50 posts to check.

I haven't seen any.

Yup looks like another dry Friday

Maybe the shipments are coming in slower as Nvidia shifts over production to the modified dies.