philipma1957

Bora1114

static.quai
To give an example, this is one of my first items I added a notify for
 
('1747671','24G-P5-3987-KR','11/16/2020 8:54:19 AM')
 
This is my last thing I have entered a notify queue on
 
('3357768','24G-P5-3989-KR','4/15/2021 10:01:54 AM')
 
That's over 1.6 million adds in five months.  There's a lot of people who have interest in landing cards.  I know some cards move more than others, but any way you slice it, this is a lot of people.

Its less people than it looks but still a lot. Most of the notifies are from people/bots signing up for every card available. 

 
I signed for all of these below
 
3987-kr 2/1/2021 7:30:00 AM PT ———————
3975-kr 2/7/2021 4:38:53 PM PT ———————
3897-kr 2/1/2021 7:31:59 AM PT________________
3885-kr 10/7/2020 7:03:40 AM PT ________________________
3767-kr  2/7/2021 4:40:36 PM PT ______________
3755-kr   2/7/2021 4:41:13 PM PT ______________
 
3667-kr 12/1/2020 9:30:12 AM PT .......
3897-kr 10/7/2020 7:01:41 AM PT .......
 
3985-kr 11/25/2020 9:14:34 AM PT ______________________
3973-kr 2/7/2021 4:38:05 PM PT __________________
3895-kr 10/7/2020 7:00:23 AM PT______________________ 
3883-kr 10/7/2020 7:02:55 AM PT __________________
 
3665-kr 12/22/2020 7:02:24 PM PT ___________________
 
3663-kr 12/1/2020 9:29:41 AM PT ........
3657-kr  2/25/2021 10:04:12 AM PT ......
 
3971-kr 11/25/2020 9:15:28 AM PT ——————————
3881-kr 10/7/2020 7:02:16 AM PT _____________________
 
3751-kr   2/8/2021 5:23:46 AM PT _____________
3655-kr  2/25/2021 10:03:39 AM PT ......
 
3988-kr 2/1/2021 7:30:50 AM PT ______________________
3898-kr 12/22/2020 7:01:13 PM PT  ________________
 
3888-kr 12/11/2020 6:34:26 AM PT .......
3998-kr 1/31/2021 7:18:37 PM PT .........
 
1 person signed up for 23 cards.
 
Frankly  If I understood how hard it would be and how slow it would move I would have signed for them all sooner.
 
So far zero cards have come my way.
 
I would take a 3060ti and a hybrid and a kingpin if they came fast. But I think I won't see a single card by my second tax shot on May 3rd.

Wow.  I hope your day comes soon.  Would you mind sharing the underlying html for it all?  I'd like to see your ID numbers.

static.quai

Bora1114
 
I said that but ok. 

Ok.  Give me an economics lecture then if that will make you feel better.  ;)
 
Just because economists love to stab each other doesn't mean we have to do that here.  Agreeing means yes, you said it.  I'm just echoing that.  But yes, I do enjoy it when you get on the economics stool.

Idk why you are bringing up economics.
 
I am simply pointing out you started with "It's not just that." and then proceeded to repeat what I said.
 
Just odd.

Bora1114

static.quai

Bora1114
 
I said that but ok. 

Ok.  Give me an economics lecture then if that will make you feel better.  ;)
 
Just because economists love to stab each other doesn't mean we have to do that here.  Agreeing means yes, you said it.  I'm just echoing that.  But yes, I do enjoy it when you get on the economics stool.

Idk why you are bringing up economics.
 
I am simply pointing out you started with "It's not just that." and then proceeded to repeat what I said.
 
Just odd.

I guess it's because you love to talk about economics.  Again, repeating is a lot like agreeing.  What do you want me to do?  Argue with you over things that generally make sense?

CptT95
You are the ignorant fool thinking you not getting a card means EVGA are the bad guys automatically 😒
If EVGA could make more cards, in turn making more money, they would have months ago
There is extreme demand from a dozen reasons and not a lot of supply so maybe you could go back to school and take Economics 101 again 😀😉

So EVGA not planning ahead and preparing for high demand is NOT their fault? Yes it is.
EVGA continuing to support businesses that support scalpers, is that their fault? Yes it is. Can they stop all of it, no of course not, but they can put a hell of dent in it.
 
The issue here is that this queue even exists. There should be no queue. Get it?

static.quai

Bora1114

static.quai

Bora1114
 
I said that but ok. 

Ok.  Give me an economics lecture then if that will make you feel better.  ;)
 
Just because economists love to stab each other doesn't mean we have to do that here.  Agreeing means yes, you said it.  I'm just echoing that.  But yes, I do enjoy it when you get on the economics stool.

Idk why you are bringing up economics.
 
I am simply pointing out you started with "It's not just that." and then proceeded to repeat what I said.
 
Just odd.

I guess it's because you love to talk about economics.  Again, repeating is a lot like agreeing.  What do you want me to do?  Argue with you over things that generally make sense?

No, like I said your choice of words was just odd. Usually if you are agreeing with someone you don't start a response off with "It's not just that."
https://www.collinsdictio...s-not-simply-just-that

The eternal wait is painful and frustrating without a doubt, Its Not EVGA's fault but non the less maddening,
 
With that said which really didn't need to be said, 
 
Its Friday, We made it through another another week on this blue globe, Lets all raise a glass in hopes of a better next week, Cheers!

viperp12

CptT95
You are the ignorant fool thinking you not getting a card means EVGA are the bad guys automatically 😒
If EVGA could make more cards, in turn making more money, they would have months ago
There is extreme demand from a dozen reasons and not a lot of supply so maybe you could go back to school and take Economics 101 again 😀😉

So EVGA not planning ahead and preparing for high demand is NOT their fault? Yes it is.
EVGA continuing to support businesses that support scalpers, is that their fault? Yes it is. Can they stop all of it, no of course not, but they can put a hell of dent in it.
 
The issue here is that this queue even exists. There should be no queue. Get it?

 
You are misinformed Viper.
 
The supply comes from NVidia. EVGA can only put out as many cards as NVidia supply to them. I completely understand the frustration, but if you want to complain about it, at least be sure that you are directing your frustrations at the appropriate party, which in this case is NVidia. EVGA are not the culprit here. You could also blame Coronavirus and the source of it..
 
As far as scalpers go, EVGA are doing what they can to combat it with auto-notify queue and Elite membership - they are certainly doing more than anyone else.
 
As far as EVGA "continuing to support businesses that support scalpers", EVGA have contractual obligations to businesses like Newegg and Amazon, and cannot break them - that is contract law. EVGA has zero control over how those companies run their business, so again you are directing your frustrations at the wrong party.
 
 

Nereus
 
3090 K|ngP|n Hydrocopper likely going to appear very soon on the products page = new notify queue. Just a heads up.
 

Source?

Rough morning on the notify thread... 
 
Happy Friday everyone.  You're all correct.  Your opinions matter.  The reality is that this queue is probably the only chance many people have to eventually get a new 3000 series GPU.  For that, I am grateful. 
 
There are many helpful members here and I appreciate all of your efforts.

kandiflippin

Nereus

kandiflippin

Nereus
3090 K|ngP|n Hydrocopper likely going to appear very soon on the products page = new notify queue. Just a heads up.

Source?

Jacob last night on Twitch.

Awesome, thanks for the heads up. 

 

static.quai

viperp12
It’s been 4 1/2 minutes worth of movement for 3080 hybrids in the last six months. I’m 4 minutes out of the current spreadsheet information. For this to take six months seems more like a PR stunt than any real attempt to stop scalpers or help people get cards.

At this rate I won’t get a card until December, that’s one year after this idiocy began. Anyone who thinks they can defend that is hilarious.

Ok.  Let's sit down for a second.  I'm going to hold your hand.  Sorry, I know it's kind of creepy.  There are many places cards go.  To queue people and large scale buyers like retailers.  Some cards don't see a lot of movement.  This is more supply side or retailer promises being fulfilled.  You are one person, and you matter, but it's like if you got struck by lightning.  You might think this happens a lot, because it happened to you.  It doesn't really happen that much.  This is what being stuck in purgatory is like.  There's more people waiting than have been struck by lightning, but to call this just a PR stunt is about the same.  It may well be a PR stunt, but it is not just that.  Refocus your sour grapes elsewhere.  There are many places more fitting.

This is just staggering, arrogant, blind trust in a company.
 
"There are many places cards go. " - Irrelevant.
 
"To queue people and large scale buyers like retailers." - Irrelevant.
 
"Some cards don't see a lot of movement." - That's my point. People have been waiting nearly a year. That's unacceptable. Period.
 
"You are one person, and you matter, but it's like if you got struck by lightning." This is arrogant, irrelevant, foolishness. I decide whether I matter, NOT you. Anyway, moving on. Struck by lightning? I've been casually watching this dog and pony show since last November and I am well aware of others who have been waiting longer. This isn't some instantaneous revelation.
 
I think maybe there has been too much blind faith here. I have no interest in debating with some random person as if discussing this was even in your wheelhouse based on your initial responsse, and if I have to explain to you or anyone else even more why every single person on this forum has a legitimate complaint against EVGA and indeed many, many other companies then you are not only the toxic part of this forum but you're part of the problem too.
 
I will not be responding to your comments again.
 

I think the weather's lovely this morning, how's your region?

dskx_16
I think the weather's lovely this morning, how's your region?

Absolutely fabulous here in Ireland no rain for a few days and I was out for a walk this AM and the birds got their own COD going on, quite entertaining.
Have a super weekend everyone. 

Almost forgot. post_count=post_count+1 
 

static.quai
The not just that is more related to I don't think it's 50-80% scalpers.  It's that more is just people get happy and move on.  Jehoffman is a great example.  He's an older guy, he got his notify, he didn't bother sharing it here. He just moved on with his life.  Your post didn't capture that, so I said, it's not just that.  People don't always notify.  But real people are buying these cards probably higher than your estimate.

This makes more sense for "its not just that". The 50-80% is notifies from scalpers not individual scalpers. Each scalper could have signed up for 18 cards each meaning the ratio of scalpers to scalper notifies is 1:18. (This is 1:5 for the 3080 launch). I agree many people will not report here and may even forget about their notify. That is why i said "What we are left with is probably 1%-5% of notifies reaching us here"
 
As for how I got the 50-80% number I pulled from 2 sources and making assumptions given no data from EVGA. Might be completely inaccurate but its my opinion that its a solid range.
 
1. I went through the spreadsheets from 9/16/20 - 9/21/20 5PM. There were 2031 unique notifies and 1992 unique people. During this same time period there were ~110,000 new IDs -> Assuming 1% was other orders we can say ~108,900. Assuming 10% of people during this time signed up for the spreadsheet given most were hard core evga fans, then there were a total of ~20,310 notifies from individuals during the time period and ~88,590 notifies from bots/scalpers/miners/system builders or 81%. Repeating this down to 5% gives 63%. At 4% the total individuals who signed up hits 50k which seems unlikely but that hits 54%
 
2. I checked reports of hydro coppers drops here on 3080s and 3090s i think in march and went to ebay. Found Just on ebay 32% of 3080s were listed and 23% of 3090s. Given the fact that Ebay is one of the worst places for scalpers to sell, 20-30% of other cards being sold on Amazon, CL, Reddit, HWS, etc. wouldn't be abnormal. This of course doesn't account for any1 that didn't report a drop here but i think that is counteracted by the assumption scalpers were selling through more profitable methods and how it doesn't account for miners who are buying HC cards. Some sellers were multi accounting as well as they got their hands on multiple HC cards.
 
If people were really concerned with "spam" they would just block everyone who isn't posting only notify times. I believe some people find other info useful and may help them understand the situation we are in better.