chrisdglong

eikast
Why would EVGA spend money on selling other products when most of their customers are Intel/Nvidia enthusiast users?
Besides Asus is horrible when compared to EVGA in terms of customer service. I don't want EVGA to change. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Well, to increase market share for starters. How would it break EVGA? They would just be selling more products. They have already expanded with PSU's, cases and even mice...

stalinx20

seth89

stalinx20

chrisdglong
Fanboys always say no... But, consumers always say yes! Fermi came out, meanwhile... AMD partners had already released the vapor chamber... What did Nvidia do? Released the vapor chamber... Sorry, Nvidia fanboys, but I will go with AMD next. Nvidia is crap lately. HBM... Where is Nvidia? Years later, we will see HBM... Just like years later we finally found multi-monitor support done properly... meaning, after Eyefinity. I had three monitors and AMD was allowing Eyefinity, while Nvidia had nothing... I had to go with WSGF's solution.

Nvidia already thought of HBM last year and wasnt going to release it until their Pascal series. Nvidia tends to follow the "trend" of technology, and wants to keep it at the consumers wants/needs. Nvidia could have launched HBM, but we were not ready for it last year.
 

 
We weren't what? 
I thought it was a brand new JEDEC memory spec co-developed by SK Hynix and AMD...
I understand that the Pascal GPU will use a 2nd gen version of the HBM in 2016-17 but how were we not ready for Nvidia to release HMB last year if Hynix and AMD just developed it?
 
Nvidia might just be a step behind AMD for the next 2 generations of cards. From the looks of AMDs road map it looks like they will release their "Arctic Islands" (or what ever name they give) GPU the same year Pascal is released. At that point AMD will also be using 2nd gen HBM and will have even more experience with how HBM behaves then Nvidia. 
 
OR Im completely wrong and I would like to see a few articles on Nvidia's HBM development.
(any body can post them to me, thanks.)

Hypothetically speaking, do you really think your 3770k would be able to put out what the Pascal is going to offer you, if they were released in 2014?
When Pascal comes out, anybody that has any system releated to Ivybridge/Haswell, is going to have to upgrade their processor to support the bandwidth of HBM or what Pascal will offer, because the bandwidtch is going to surpass what today's processors are capable of. This is technology, it's been like this for years. It's just now the GPUs have jumped seriously fast.

Brad_Hawthorne

stalinx20

Brad_Hawthorne

stalinx20
Nvidia already thought of HBM last year and wasnt going to release it until their Pascal series. Nvidia tends to follow the "trend" of technology, and wants to keep it at the consumers wants/needs. Nvidia could have launched HBM, but we were not ready for it last year.

That statement makes absolutely no sense to me... I guess we're lucky you're not doing marketing for Nvidia.

It makes perfect sense. We don't have the tech to support Pascal....
 
 
What exactly happened when PCIE 3.0 was introduced? they couldnt even test it out because there were no GPUs that had PCIE 3.0 when PCIE 3.0 was released. Same is going to happen with Pascal... your Processor will be your biggest bottleneck. GPUs (Both AMD/Nvidia) are going to surprass the CPU very quickly, and when that happens, Intel/AMD is going to have to step up and fully redesign their processors with a different material, or a different form of architecture to meet the new GPUs, for both AMD/Nvidia. This isnt some new myth or something. You will have to buy that new processor to match what Pascal shows, the "3770k" will then be the "Pentium".
 

Sounds nice in theory, but you're proposing a chicken-egg logical fallacy. Doesn't matter which comes first, but one of them does have to come before the other. Nothing keeps you from purchasing the GPU before the CPU and still enjoying the hardware. Also, theory-crafting about keeping tech to what the consumer wants/needs has never been Nvidia's strong suit. They release what they want to and market why someone should want it. SLI, PhysX, CUDA, G-Sync, 3D Vision Kit, Surround, etc... none of those were consumer requests.

stalinx20

seth89

stalinx20

seth89

stalinx20

chrisdglong
Fanboys always say no... But, consumers always say yes! Fermi came out, meanwhile... AMD partners had already released the vapor chamber... What did Nvidia do? Released the vapor chamber... Sorry, Nvidia fanboys, but I will go with AMD next. Nvidia is crap lately. HBM... Where is Nvidia? Years later, we will see HBM... Just like years later we finally found multi-monitor support done properly... meaning, after Eyefinity. I had three monitors and AMD was allowing Eyefinity, while Nvidia had nothing... I had to go with WSGF's solution.

Nvidia already thought of HBM last year and wasnt going to release it until their Pascal series. Nvidia tends to follow the "trend" of technology, and wants to keep it at the consumers wants/needs. Nvidia could have launched HBM, but we were not ready for it last year.
 

 
We weren't what? 
I thought it was a brand new JEDEC memory spec co-developed by SK Hynix and AMD...
I understand that the Pascal GPU will use a 2nd gen version of the HBM in 2016-17 but how were we not ready for Nvidia to release HMB last year if Hynix and AMD just developed it?
 
Nvidia might just be a step behind AMD for the next 2 generations of cards. From the looks of AMDs road map it looks like they will release their "Arctic Islands" (or what ever name they give) GPU the same year Pascal is released. At that point AMD will also be using 2nd gen HBM and will have even more experience with how HBM behaves then Nvidia. 
 
OR Im completely wrong and I would like to see a few articles on Nvidia's HBM development.
(any body can post them to me, thanks.)

Hypothetically speaking, do you really think your 3770k would be able to put out what the Pascal is going to offer you, if they were released in 2014?
When Pascal comes out, anybody that has any system releated to Ivybridge/Haswell, is going to have to upgrade their processor to support the bandwidth of HBM or what Pascal will offer, because the bandwidtch is going to surpass what today's processors are capable of. This is technology, it's been like this for years. It's just now the GPUs have jumped seriously fast.

HBM will run up to 640GB/sec
PCIe 2.0 8x and 16x should be able to handle that in real life.
I think the 2012 Ivy Bridge i7 CPUs had PCIe 3.0 controllers?
I think, anyone with more knowledge on PCIe and CPU bandwidth can chime in here.

Yes, Ivy Bridge had PCIE 3.0 controllers, but so did Sandybridge (previous line) upon release, and during that release time, there were no PCIE 3.0 GPUs. This was just an example I was bringing up about technology. What i'm speculating is - I dont think that the processors that we have will be enough to bring out full potentional of HBM or what Pascal will bringing out when they arrive. I think that Intel and AMD will have to really bring out something big to push the potentional of them both. We'll have to wait and see.

seth89

Vlada011
It's not problem buying AMD chip, but what you get in games.
Only sharp picture and washed colors without physX and off course lag and heating and 70-100MHz OC usually.

What?
Amd denied evga and any addition manufacturers bc they didnt want to have too many brands. They thought 8 was enough.

Sharp picture? The cards do 4k and produce more colors than we can see. The rest is up to the monitor.

Physx? I had physx before most people. I paid 300 bucks for a BFG PPU by ageia. Made playing FEAR awesome. But nividia snatched it up (and thats ok. i dont blame them, its awesome). But they havent shared it with anyone so game developers dont use it. This makes physx null and void in any argument.

Lag and heating?
What lag from video cards are you talking about? Lag is a network issue.
Amd had one hot card, nvidia also had one hot card (gtx480). That one hot amd card is no longer hot bc it comes with a better cooler. That 480 never got an improvment, just stayed hot.

70-100MHz OC?
I OC the heck out of three 290s to get a better Future mark score. I did it with ease with a built in slider tool too.
Just stop posting on evga unless you can back up the noise you post.

-posted from my mobile.

kaninja
Not going to happen. Sometimes it is best to focus on one thing and do it really well.

stalinx20

seth89

stalinx20

seth89

stalinx20

seth89

stalinx20

chrisdglong
Fanboys always say no... But, consumers always say yes! Fermi came out, meanwhile... AMD partners had already released the vapor chamber... What did Nvidia do? Released the vapor chamber... Sorry, Nvidia fanboys, but I will go with AMD next. Nvidia is crap lately. HBM... Where is Nvidia? Years later, we will see HBM... Just like years later we finally found multi-monitor support done properly... meaning, after Eyefinity. I had three monitors and AMD was allowing Eyefinity, while Nvidia had nothing... I had to go with WSGF's solution.

Nvidia already thought of HBM last year and wasnt going to release it until their Pascal series. Nvidia tends to follow the "trend" of technology, and wants to keep it at the consumers wants/needs. Nvidia could have launched HBM, but we were not ready for it last year.

We weren't what? 
I thought it was a brand new JEDEC memory spec co-developed by SK Hynix and AMD...
I understand that the Pascal GPU will use a 2nd gen version of the HBM in 2016-17 but how were we not ready for Nvidia to release HMB last year if Hynix and AMD just developed it?

Nvidia might just be a step behind AMD for the next 2 generations of cards. From the looks of AMDs road map it looks like they will release their "Arctic Islands" (or what ever name they give) GPU the same year Pascal is released. At that point AMD will also be using 2nd gen HBM and will have even more experience with how HBM behaves then Nvidia. 

OR Im completely wrong and I would like to see a few articles on Nvidia's HBM development.
(any body can post them to me, thanks.)

Hypothetically speaking, do you really think your 3770k would be able to put out what the Pascal is going to offer you, if they were released in 2014?
When Pascal comes out, anybody that has any system releated to Ivybridge/Haswell, is going to have to upgrade their processor to support the bandwidth of HBM or what Pascal will offer, because the bandwidtch is going to surpass what today's processors are capable of. This is technology, it's been like this for years. It's just now the GPUs have jumped seriously fast.

HBM will run up to 640GB/sec
PCIe 2.0 8x and 16x should be able to handle that in real life.
I think the 2012 Ivy Bridge i7 CPUs had PCIe 3.0 controllers?
I think, anyone with more knowledge on PCIe and CPU bandwidth can chime in here.

Yes, Ivy Bridge had PCIE 3.0 controllers, but so did Sandybridge (previous line) upon release, and during that release time, there were no PCIE 3.0 GPUs. This was just an example I was bringing up about technology. What i'm speculating is - I dont think that the processors that we have will be enough to bring out full potentional of HBM or what Pascal will bringing out when they arrive. I think that Intel and AMD will have to really bring out something big to push the potentional of them both. We'll have to wait and see.

So back to the begging, how where "we" not ready ready for Nvidia HBM last year? There were pcie2 and 3 ready mother boards and processors.
HBM wasn't invented yet, Nvidia wasnt just sitting on Pascal bc our chicken brains would explode from that much bandwidth. 😝

As for boddel necking, I don't think so. Especially bc DX12 will make our gpus do most of the work. Have you seen the benchmarks with dual core systems running as fast as quad cores.

There may have been PCIE 3.0 motherboards on the release of sandybridge at the time, but there was not a single PCIE 3.0 ready GPU when PCIE 3.0 launched. No i did not see any reviews showing a dual core was as fast as a quad core, but i definately need to look at those. It should be interesting to see. I never said that HBM was not "invented" but Nvidia already had the idea of doing it last year before they released 9xx series.  I was speculating (no proof) that when HBM or Pascal are fully released that today's processors would not be "equal" to the bandwidth that these GPUs are capable of.
Oh ya, don't get your hopes up on this DX12, at least until Developers start using it.

bill1024
There was at least one or two Asus intel x58 boards that supported crossfire and not SLI
 
I picked up a couple R9-280x 3gb GPUs , first AMD cards I have has since the 800, 2400HT or some thing like that.
The 280x really aren't all that bad, they excel in BOINC primegrid they smoked my GTX970 bad.
In folding 75k PPD around the 660Ti was doing.