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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/19 08:51:51 (permalink)
Kingston 4133 CL19 - 4800 CL14 2T - primary and tertiary tight, benchmarks on both 0.92 (xp) and 1.07 bios passing.
dimm 2 / vtt -50 / superpi
dimm 1.98 / vtt 0 / geekbench
Had to use TFAW 17 TCWL 15 instead of TFAW 16 TCWL 14 otherwise memory would not train.
Still haven't figured it out my g skill tridentZ A2 at 4800 CL14, it was tested on a apex xi with success.
dimms, motherboards, imc, vsa... mem oc is hard.

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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/20 13:17:54 (permalink)
I can run 4800+ 14-13 with the G.Skill A2 without problems, only with the HOF it doesn't work, I can't get out of training.
With the HOF A2 I can run 4200+ 12-12 1T without problems.
It is really strange, especially because you can boot with 4200 12-12, but 4133 won't start :(
Bios 1.07 and 0.93 tested.
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/20 13:32:46 (permalink)
The Tridentz 4400 19-19-19-39 - can train 4133 1T and 4266 1T, 4200 1T and 4800 2T does not get out of training.
The Kingston 4133 19-25-25-43 - can train 4133 2T and 4800 2T, 4133 1T does not get out of training (did not tested 4200 or 4266 if could not do 4133 1T)
Maybe i haven't figured out the correct vtt for the freq and rating, in order to pass training.
Both 0.92 and 1.07 tested.
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/20 13:54:37 (permalink)
Try 4200, I can't boot 4133 and can't get out of training, but 4200+ will go without problems.
What surprises me very much, A2 Kit from G.Skill runs without problems on Asus with 4133 12-11, but doesn't run on the Dark. Same settings but don`t get out of training :(
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/20 16:14:32 (permalink)
Confirm that Kingston 4133 19-25-25-43 can benchmark geekbench 4200 CL12 1T.
Cleared all the tertiary and rtls, relaxed tfaw to 240, and it passed memory training.
Managed then to start tightening the tertiaries and try memory training bit by bit.
Tightening the rtls or setting tfaw to 220 it would not pass memory training.
It passed memory training at 1.98 vdimm / vtt 0, but for geekbench needs 2 vdim / vtt -50.
vsa 1.45 / vccio 1.45 probably could be set at vsa 1.35 / vccio 1.3.
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/21 15:00:56 (permalink)
The A2 layout - Kingston 4133 19-25-25-43 unfortunately doesn't pass superpi at 4200 CL12 1T.
The A2 layout - Galax Extreme 4000 19-25-25-45 passes geekbench and superpi at 4200 CL12 1T / vdimm 2.045 / vtt -50 / vsa 1.45 / vccio 1.45 / again i could lower the vsa and vccio, rtls left on auto.
The Galax dim voltage when less than 2.045 does not train at 4200, it trains 4000 tight at 1.95.
Kingston is very quick at memory training, whereas the Galax takes its time.
Both bios 0.92 and 1.07 tested.

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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/21 15:50:45 (permalink)
Your timings are realy tight. 
Try 
TRDRD_SG         7
TWRWR_SG       7
TWRWR_DR       5
TWRWR_DD      5
RTL        50/51
IOL         6/6 or 7/7
maybe it helps to get through training faster
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/22 14:01:15 (permalink)
Thank you, that has helped decrease the memory training duration.
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/25 14:41:56 (permalink)
The A2 layout - Galax Extreme 4000 19-25-25-45 - can pass superpi at 4266 CL12 1T - vdim 2.05 / vtt -55 / vsa 1.45 / vccio  1.45. Managed to tight rtls to 51/52 7/7. rtls at 50/51 6/6 or 7/7 does not pass memory training, could be imc limitation. Passed memory training from 2.02 but it needed 2.05 to pass superpi.
 
The A2 layout - Galax Extreme 4266 19-19-19-39 - can pass memory training for 4266 CL12 1T at vdim 2.02 /vtt -50, but fails superpi, upping voltage from vdim 2.04 upwards, windows generates boot errors, stick could be voltage / temperature sensible.
 
The A2 layout - G Skill Tridentz 4400 19-19-19-39 - at 4266 CL12 1T does not pass superpi at vdim 2.045 / vtt -55, and from voltage 2.045 upwards, windows generates boot errors or is unstable, stick could be voltage / temperature sensible.
Both bios 0.92 and 1.07 tested.
 
Adding yet another factor for memory oc: sticks sensitivity to voltage/temperature
 

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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/26 03:56:27 (permalink)
@luakri
have you ever tried the last XOC bios?
I can only use 0.93 Bios with the 9900KS.
Maybe it works even better with this
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/27 13:14:46 (permalink)
Confirm that with xoc 0.93:
A2 layout - Galax Extreme 4000 19-25-25-45 - passes superpi with vdim 2.055 / vtt -55 / vsa 1.45 / vccio 1.45 / rtl 50 51 / iol 6/6
Will try vsa to 1.35, vccio 1.3, trfc at 220 at a later date.
The other 2 kits experience the same voltage/temperature issue, not all dims behave the same, silicon lottery.
Interesting that the G Skill Tridentz 4400 19-19-19-39 trains only at the odd ratios of 4133 and 4266 but not 4200.

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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/28 11:25:48 (permalink)
My Galax Kit also reacts extremely to voltage and temperature. 4200 12-12 1T with 2.010v and -50 are no problem at all up to 101 BCLK, memory on the spreader gets warm up to 25°C, but runs without problems. As soon as the voltage goes above 2.025v, it needs cooler temperatures 
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/30 15:33:30 (permalink)
The A2 layout - Galax Extreme 4266 19-19-19-39 is sensible to voltage/temperature, can train to 2.055 and trains 4266 CL12 but windows on boot gives errors from vdim 2.025.
Also ever only passed memory training at odd ratios, 4133 CL12, 4266 CL12 and 4933 CL14.
Fails memory training at 4200 CL12 and 4800 CL14.
Passes geekbench at 4933 CL14-13-13 / vdim 2 / vtt -50 / vsa 1.5 / vccio 1.45 / rtls left on auto.

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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/01/31 13:27:19 (permalink)
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The A2 layout - Galax Extreme 4266 19-19-19-39 is sensible to voltage/temperature, can train to 2.055 and trains 4266 CL12 but windows on boot gives errors from vdim 2.025.
Also ever only passed memory training at odd ratios, 4133 CL12, 4266 CL12 and 4933 CL14.
Fails memory training at 4200 CL12 and 4800 CL14.
Passes geekbench at 4933 CL14-13-13 / vdim 2 / vtt -50 / vsa 1.5 / vccio 1.45 / rtls left on auto.




Can you please share you bios-settings for 4933?
I have the same Problem with training @4800 all attempts to start with 4800, fail :D
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/02/02 11:58:13 (permalink)
Sorry for late reply, was afk. Please find shared zip file with the 2 below profiles for bios 0.93.
A2 layout - Galax Extreme 4000 19-25-25-45 (50g4266galaxwhite.399)
A2 layout - Galax Extreme 4266 19-19-19-39 (50g4933galaxgold.399)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sTRzfj9nOc5pJvRZa3g8-E6p_UTqsux6/view

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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/02/03 14:44:23 (permalink)
Thank you for the profile, unfortunately I cannot run my HOF as you do.
It was and is silicone lottery 
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/02/03 15:18:02 (permalink)
Yes, The A2 layout - G Skill Tridentz 4400 19-19-19-39 can pass memory training for 4933 CL12, but gives windows boot errors due to memory instability, it does not help that this kit is also voltage/temperature sensible.
The A2 layout - Galax Extreme 4000 19-25-25-45 although can do 4266 CL12 1T - vdim 2.055 looked promising for 4800 but, does not pass memory training for neither 4800 CL14 or 4933 CL14. 
Mem oc is hard, tons of factors plus the silicon lottery, eg the same pcb for a ddr kit but produced in different times of the year, might not produce the same oc results.


 
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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/02/08 20:22:01 (permalink)
GeekBench 3 result I forgot about from this past Dec, HyperX 4000 sticks at 4800 14-13-13.

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Re: EVGA Z390 DARK and B-Die based low latency memory overclocking 2020/02/09 06:20:34 (permalink)
The A2 layout - G Skill Tridentz 4400 19-19-19-39 and the A2 layout Predator 4133 19-25-25-43 can pass geekbench 4933 CL14 using bios 0.93.
Settings used: vdim 2.025 / vtt -50 / vsa 1.5 / vccio 1.45
Obs:
For the A2 layout Predator 4133 19-25-25-43 - TCWL needs to be 15 and not 14, otherwise memory training is in a loop, Predator passed memory training with TFAW 16 and 22 and TCWL 15.

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