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2010/10/27 17:09:52 (permalink)
Hello Guys,

I am in no way trying to start a debate, I just lack a lot of knowledge on motherboards and I am currently preparing to upgrade within a month from a Q6600 & P5ND to an i7 950 & ???
(EVGA 131-GT-E767-TR Intel X58 SLI 3     OR      ASUS Sabertooth Intel X58)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%204017%20600007887&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=280%7C13-131-665%5E13-131-665-TS%2C13-188-068%5E13-188-068-TS
EVGA is by far my favorite but I still would like to do some research.

I would like to know which of these two MOBOs would be the right choice, I am planning on adding Corsair Dominator ram which I am also struggling to decide since they have so many models with different timings and prices! Advice on these I would also appreciate a lot!

What about the PCIe 2.0 x 16? I've read only one of the slots is x16? can someone please explain whether this will be a problem if I want to go SLI.  I already have my EVGA GTX480 but I might add one more in the future.

Please point out everything you consider important so I can make the right choice!

Thanks!

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 17:13:32 (permalink)
    I'm gonna say evga.....cause as much as I like asus...the sabertooth "military brown" colour scheme won't match your case (unless its a haf lol) and it won't match your dominators in terms of asthetics.....
    I would go Evga this time :)
     
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 17:16:07 (permalink)
     i would have to say go with them over that particular asus board.
    post edited by jrmitchell1983 - 2010/10/27 17:41:23

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 17:19:27 (permalink)
    Classy3 of course  .
    The PCIe lanes is exactly the same setup as the 760 I believe.


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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 17:41:35 (permalink)
    The thing thats concerns me the most is the PCIe 2.0 x16 It seems that when I do decide to go SLI the other card is not going to be operating at its best because of that x8 instead of x16. But again I barely know about this I might be wrong.
    post edited by Airplanek8 - 2010/10/27 17:45:26

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 17:43:23 (permalink)
    Airplanek8

    The thing thats has concerns me the most is the PCIe 2.0 x16 It seems that when I do decide to go SLI the other card is not going to be operating at its best because of that x8 instead of x16. But again I barely know about this I might be wrong.

     
    running a gpu in x8 will not hinder performance. the only thing you may notice is a small drop is benching.

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 17:54:17 (permalink)
    This is  what's preventing from just going and buying the EVGA 131 for once I am not confident with the PCIe slots. Also  the max MHz for the ram speed for the evga is 1600, is this collective for every ram slot or each one? and any advise on the dominators.

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 17:58:27 (permalink)
    Two of the slots on the Classified will be x16, same with the Sabertooth unless ASUS have done something funky with the lane arrangement.
     
    They'll only drop to x8 speeds if you run more than 2 video cards or other 'heavy' cards in the other slots.
     
    Also, if you're heavily overclocking, the Classified 3 is a much better choice. It also has a molex connector to help with extra power to the GPUs where necessary - 90% of the time it should be fine though. It also has an extra 8 pin connector. Also may not be necessary but it doesn't hurt either.
     
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 17:59:57 (permalink)
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    This is  what's preventing from just going and buying the EVGA 131 for once I am not confident with the PCIe slots. Also  the max MHz for the ram speed for the evga is 1600, is this collective for every ram slot or each one? and any advise on the dominators.

     
    personally i would just go with the xms3 from corsair. i see no difference in these vs. the dominators. IMO dominators are just hype. also even though the board say 1600mhz ram, im sure you could go higher. however with that said i running 4ghz with 1600mhz. save the money a go get the xms3 1600mhz 7-7-7-20/24 kit. as far as the PCI-E slots you will be fine. like i said SLI with x8 & x16 you will see no difference in gamming. only in benching and i mean a small difference in benching.
     
    IMO just go for it. you won't be sorry.

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:09:04 (permalink)
    Yeah I am starting to think about those xms3 also I've been looking around for those and from the ram I've got now (OCz nvidiaSLI) I don't think I could do worse with corsair.
    So what about the max MHz for the ram slots, is the 1600 limit for each one? or is this between the 6 slots I haven't understood this yet.
    Will this EVGA mobo work fine with 12GB of these xms3 at 1600mhz I currently have my Q6600 OCed to 3.4 so  I might try to over clock the 950. will having these 12GB at 1600 each struggle with overclocking it? 

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:14:41 (permalink)
    1600mhz is each slot, and you could probaly go higher. 12gb is overkill IMO. it is a bit harder to OC with 12gb vs 6gb beause the memory controller is on the cpu its self. not to say it cant be done, you will just need more voltages here and there for your oc on your chip which results in more stress on the CPU. Corsair is all i have ever used in all of my build and i swear by them. great customer support as well. you should be able to get that 950 to 4ghz fairly easy. a recommendation for a cpu cooler (corsair H70) I HAD A MEGAHALEM PRIOR AND THE h70 PERFORMS GREAT.
     
    like i said go for the xms3.

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:19:10 (permalink)
    Great, by the way I can't seem to find xms3 1600mhz 7-7-7-20/24 kit with these speeds. Do you have it overclocked?

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:19:49 (permalink)
    From my experience with my board and my 930 so far, I wasted my money purchasing ram rated for 2000MHz.  With the CPU's now having the memory controller built in, it seems anything much over 1600 when shooting for a decent OC, is creating quite a headache.

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:20:28 (permalink)
    One option could be to use 3 x 4gb memory sticks. I know one of the dominator kits is like that, I was looking at it myself as I'd like more ram but I still want to be able to overclock just as high.

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:22:25 (permalink)
    SiriusDragon

    One option could be to use 3 x 4gb memory sticks. I know one of the dominator kits is like that, I was looking at it myself as I'd like more ram but I still want to be able to overclock just as high.

    good point man. never even thought of that myself...congrats

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:27:22 (permalink)
    Now I'm going nuts with the ram selection lol. So you guys don't recommend the 6x2GB? I don't want to go over $250 with the ram I still can't decide + I don't know what would be the best configuration. I probably won't push my processor that much if I try to overclock it. maybe 3.4? max 3.8?

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:32:44 (permalink)
    RAM- just go with 6gb for now (can assure you it works great) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145286   - sorry 7-8-7-20 (even better than mine @ 8-8-8-24)

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:34:20 (permalink)
    Here's the memory I mentioned...
    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16820145321
     
    or this:
    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16820145326
     
    But I suppose if you're not gunna aim for a massive overclock, you could just try the memory you have and see how things go :)

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:38:12 (permalink)
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    Here's the memory I mentioned...
    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16820145321

    or this:
    http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16820145326

    But I suppose if you're not gunna aim for a massive overclock, you could just try the memory you have and see how things go :)

     
    no need for the 2000mhz if he is only OCing max 3.8 (1600mhz is just fine and way cheaper) like i said IMO dominators are the same as any other ram, just a hype and they look cool.

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:40:51 (permalink)
    Oh balls. Sorry, I meant to link to the 1600mhz XMS3 12gb kit... it'd be cheaper again then over the one I linked to :)
     
    Edit:
    Oops... no such thing as that anyway. Odd... you'd think there would be an XMS3 12gb 1600mhz kit

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:43:22 (permalink)
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    Oh balls. Sorry, I meant to link to the 1600mhz XMS3 12gb kit... it'd be cheaper again then over the one I linked to :)

    Edit:
    Oops... no such thing as that anyway. Odd... you'd think there would be an XMS3 12gb 1600mhz kit

     
    lmao ( IMO unless he is video editing , you dont need more than 6gb of ram...expecially for gamming)

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 18:53:38 (permalink)
    Nah I don't do video editing just my BC2 gaming and most importantly Flight Sim X  ^.^ However, I am very picky with having everything on highest possible settings with highest possible FPS I normally freak out when it drops below 50FPS lool.
     
    "RAM- just go with 6gb for now (can assure you it works great) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145286   - sorry 7-8-7-20 (even better than mine @ 8-8-8-24)"

    what if I decided to buy another set of these in the future, wouldnt I benefit instead of having the 12GB kit of XMS3 with timings of 9? I believe it would kill the motherboar and any possiblities of overclocking, am I wrong?
    I thought 6GB sucked for gaming? I thought everybody would be at 12GB or at least 8GB. I'm surprised!

    If I went for the Xm3 kit of 12GB how badly would it limit my overclocking you guys think assuming I am trying to reach hardcore overclocks?

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 19:05:58 (permalink)
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    Nah I don't do video editing just my BC2 gaming and most importantly Flight Sim X  ^.^ However, I am very picky with having everything on highest possible settings with highest possible FPS I normally freak out when it drops below 50FPS lool.

    "RAM- just go with 6gb for now (can assure you it works great) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145286   - sorry 7-8-7-20 (even better than mine @ 8-8-8-24)"

    what if I decided to buy another set of these in the future, wouldnt I benefit instead of having the 12GB kit of XMS3 with timings of 9? I believe it would kill the motherboar and any possiblities of overclocking, am I wrong?
    I thought 6GB sucked for gaming? I thought everybody would be at 12GB or at least 8GB. I'm surprised!

    If I went for the Xm3 kit of 12GB how badly would it limit my overclocking you guys think assuming I am trying to reach hardcore overclocks?

    no the only benifit you would have with going with cas 9 timmings is there probaly a bit cheaper. the lower the timming the faster the ram. if your gamming get 6gb period. no need at all for anymore - trust me.

                                           
                                                               
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 19:15:30 (permalink)
     
    There's a nice 6GB set of Mushkin 998691 Redline 1600MHz 6-7-6-18-72-1T for sale on the forums here.
     


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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 19:20:20 (permalink)
    Just to know, Can I do two sets of  2gbx3 7-8-7-20 without a problem?

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 19:23:20 (permalink)
    Unless you're doing video edit or some similar ram-intensive processing, there's little point getting 12GB imho - it would rarely if ever be used. Better to pay the same amount for 6GB of lightning fast ram than get 12GB of good ram that you don't use - at least for now.
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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 19:34:46 (permalink)
    Ok I'm gonna go with the 6GB of 7-8-7-20 XMS3s but what if in the future I buy another set of 7-8-7-20 XMs3 and put them together to add 12GB wouldnt this be better than the 12GB kit of XMS3s with slower speeds?
     

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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 19:36:48 (permalink)
    Sure. Lower timings = faster.


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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 19:40:23 (permalink)
    Airplanek8

    Ok I'm gonna go with the 6GB of 7-8-7-20 XMS3s but what if in the future I buy another set of 7-8-7-20 XMs3 and put them together to add 12GB wouldnt this be better than the 12GB kit of XMS3s with slower speeds?


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    Re:EVGA X58 Vs ASUS X58 2010/10/27 19:55:46 (permalink)
    I just read is a bad idea to do such thing putting together two different sets because it can cause more trouble... how true is this? In other words what I said on my previous post
    "Ok I'm gonna go with the 6GB of 7-8-7-20 XMS3s but what if in the future I buy another set of 7-8-7-20 XMs3 and put them together to add 12GB wouldnt this be better than the 12GB kit of XMS3s with slower speeds?..."  would not work very well and would be more recommended to actually get the 12GB kit... why is this (if it's true)?

    and do you guys think it would be easily possible to hit 3.4-3.8 on the 950 with 12 GB of two sets of  7-8-7-20 XMS3? If not would it be good at stock?

    Also I am planning on upgrading PSU from ultra 650W to http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3973822&CatId=2534

    Is this plenty wattage?


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