Exactly, a day of Elite only would be great. Imo, the only other requirement should be something that cuts down bots chances (at most a product registered on the account).

That said, why shouldn't a premium EVGA exclusive card go to long term members first?
 
The kp card is aimed at the very top .01% of users, it is not aimed at general use, but those that want to tinker and toy, which any long term EVGA member is fully aware of.
 
I personally have no need to try and get a kp card, I am not the intended market.
 
Keep them from the bots, offer them exclusively to EVGA members starting with a higher criteria and slowly dropping until they are all sold. Personally I am good with that.

I think that given the limited nature of this product it would be nice to see additional steps taken to ensure that scalpers are not able to get them. These cards are intended to be used for competitive benching and breaking records on LN2 and it would be such a shame to see them sitting on Ebay doing nothing because no one is willing to pay 4 grand for them, when instead they could sitting on a bench working their way up the leaderboard. 

Dwarfy

thegreattonge
Cause your definition of long term is different from my definition which might be different from EVGA's. Unless EVGA is willing to define the criteria, people who would benefit from their defined criteria (former KP owners) should really sit down. They have no interest in making sure the bots don't get it, only about satisfying their own needs.

Additionally, if you have no plans on buying a KP card why are you throwing your hat into the ring? Some sorta exclusivity? 

Throwing my hat in because I have an opinion (right or wrong) and wanted to share.
 
Elite status seems to be the main limiting factor, long term membership means the buyer is now fully aware of their purchase.
 
This is a card with a bios for LN2, your everyday general overclocker does not use LN2, but that is a choice.
 
Basically my point is this is not a card intended for your average user so perhaps make it available first to those that would make use of it?
 
I am not against you purchasing one for whatever usage you see fit, but Elite status is not so hard to obtain and by the time a user does get Elite status (without spamming the forum for the quick 100) they should be much more aware of what a kp card is, what it can/can't do and if they really would want to shell out for one.
 
It's all about managing expectations. Do you want/need to monitor voltages via the onboard header? how in depth are you going and would what you want be achieved via the FTW3 ultra?

Why don't you head to reddit if you want to get on a soap box and tell people how the use the products they buy with their own money?

NICROD
I think that given the limited nature of this product it would be nice to see additional steps taken to ensure that scalpers are not able to get them. These cards are intended to be used for competitive benching and breaking records on LN2 and it would be such a shame to see them sitting on Ebay doing nothing because no one is willing to pay 4 grand for them, when instead they could sitting on a bench working their way up the leaderboard. 

Pretty sure the subset of users that would buy a KP would not pay scalper prices (card is expensive enough as is), so the idea of KP sitting around doing nothing is a hard sell. I think we can all agree in some sorta of elite member purchase availability window, but any other criteria comes off as an "old boys club" which reeks of exclusivity.

thegreattonge

Dwarfy

thegreattonge
Cause your definition of long term is different from my definition which might be different from EVGA's. Unless EVGA is willing to define the criteria, people who would benefit from their defined criteria (former KP owners) should really sit down. They have no interest in making sure the bots don't get it, only about satisfying their own needs.

Additionally, if you have no plans on buying a KP card why are you throwing your hat into the ring? Some sorta exclusivity? 

Throwing my hat in because I have an opinion (right or wrong) and wanted to share.
 
Elite status seems to be the main limiting factor, long term membership means the buyer is now fully aware of their purchase.
 
This is a card with a bios for LN2, your everyday general overclocker does not use LN2, but that is a choice.
 
Basically my point is this is not a card intended for your average user so perhaps make it available first to those that would make use of it?
 
I am not against you purchasing one for whatever usage you see fit, but Elite status is not so hard to obtain and by the time a user does get Elite status (without spamming the forum for the quick 100) they should be much more aware of what a kp card is, what it can/can't do and if they really would want to shell out for one.
 
It's all about managing expectations. Do you want/need to monitor voltages via the onboard header? how in depth are you going and would what you want be achieved via the FTW3 ultra?

Why don't you head to reddit if you want to get on a soap box and tell people how the use the products they buy with their own money?

NICROD
I think that given the limited nature of this product it would be nice to see additional steps taken to ensure that scalpers are not able to get them. These cards are intended to be used for competitive benching and breaking records on LN2 and it would be such a shame to see them sitting on Ebay doing nothing because no one is willing to pay 4 grand for them, when instead they could sitting on a bench working their way up the leaderboard. 

Pretty sure the subset of users that would buy a KP would not pay scalper prices (card is expensive enough as is), so the idea of KP sitting around doing nothing is a hard sell. I think we can all agree in some sorta of elite member purchase availability window, but any other criteria comes off as an "old boys club" which reeks of exclusivity.

I agree with the Elite exclusivity, but beyond that? EVGA would only restrict the sales of the Kingpin and be unfair to new enthusiasts for the Kingpin.
 
I am not an Elite, in fact, I am new to EVGA. Should I not get the Kingpin, it will be ok. I will not cry because of that, and I will never pay scalpers, I have better things to spend my money on than on scalpers!
 
In fact,Ii would rather spend more money to buy a 2080 Ti that to fatten the pockets of scalpers! lol

Dwarfy
 
Not a soapbox moment I'm affraid, just trying to help you understand that kp cards are exclusives, are not aimed at the general market and should be tied in some fashion to EVGA members.
The criteria for that should not be impossible to obtain, and once offered to EVGA members should be offered lower until sold.
 
This means that first choice users are likely to push/bench/toy with the cards, then slowly down to the less toying more tweaking. before eventually heading to those who want a premium overclock but not want to change anything.
 
Yes it becomes exclusive but I'm sure that if the demand was there and it was possible then they might be able to release more.
 
The in house overclocker making records for EVGA and thus putting his name on the top tier card, why not tie it to EVGA members who would use it to it's fullest....?

Restricting sales to "users likely to push/bench/toy with the cards" only means additional requirements to prevent slow systems from dragging down scores. In other words, what are the minimum system requirements to purchase a 3090 KPE? How far do they take it? If we're to follow the spirit of your statement, there certainly isn't any room for any Intel systems, nor could EVGA allow anything below a Ryzen 5900X/5950X. Even low/slow RAM could be a limiting factor. Should the card be limited to people who own a 5950X with 32GB+ of 4000/CL15 fully tuned RAM, preference given to those with LN2 and second to chilled water? 
 
I run ambient water cooling, otherwise, I'm set. Are you, and would you wait hours/days while verifying your system with an EVGA rep before they sell you a card?
 
How far should your idea be taken? Because EVGA doesn't even make an X570 mobo, so do they limit the KPE to Intel Z490 systems even though the KPE would score higher with an AMD 5950X? 
 
No, and everything above was to demonstrate how silly your suggestion is. The KPE cards are NOT exclusive; they're niche, but they're not exclusive. Therefore, there's no need to worry if you're running an old AMD or Intel because EVGA isn't going to make you verify that your system is in the top 0.1% before they sell you a card meant for the top 0.1%. The only requirement is that you have a wallet.
 
IIRC, GALAX HoF cards are pretty exclusive when they're launched. Does anyone know how they keep their cards from landing in sub-standard systems?

gimeno

Dwarfy
 
Not a soapbox moment I'm affraid, just trying to help you understand that kp cards are exclusives, are not aimed at the general market and should be tied in some fashion to EVGA members.
The criteria for that should not be impossible to obtain, and once offered to EVGA members should be offered lower until sold.
 
This means that first choice users are likely to push/bench/toy with the cards, then slowly down to the less toying more tweaking. before eventually heading to those who want a premium overclock but not want to change anything.
 
Yes it becomes exclusive but I'm sure that if the demand was there and it was possible then they might be able to release more.
 
The in house overclocker making records for EVGA and thus putting his name on the top tier card, why not tie it to EVGA members who would use it to it's fullest....?

Restricting sales to "users likely to push/bench/toy with the cards" only means additional requirements to prevent slow systems from dragging down scores. In other words, what are the minimum system requirements to purchase a 3090 KPE? How far do they take it? If we're to follow the spirit of your statement, there certainly isn't any room for any Intel systems, nor could EVGA allow anything below a Ryzen 5900X/5950X. Even low/slow RAM could be a limiting factor. Should the card be limited to people who own a 5950X with 32GB+ of 4000/CL15 fully tuned RAM, preference given to those with LN2 and second to chilled water? 
 
I run ambient water cooling, otherwise, I'm set. Are you, and would you wait hours/days while verifying your system with an EVGA rep before they sell you a card?
 
How far should your idea be taken? Because EVGA doesn't even make an X570 mobo, so do they limit the KPE to Intel Z490 systems even though the KPE would score higher with an AMD 5950X? 
 
No, and everything above was to demonstrate how silly your suggestion is. The KPE cards are NOT exclusive; they're niche, but they're not exclusive. Therefore, there's no need to worry if you're running an old AMD or Intel because EVGA isn't going to make you verify that your system is in the top 0.1% before they sell you a card meant for the top 0.1%
 
IIRC, GALAX HoF cards are pretty exclusive when they're launched. Does anyone know how they keep their cards from landing in sub-standard systems?

Caught me there, Yes they are exclusive, no other manufacturer makes them, I agree they are niche hence what I said further back, I never wanted to or went into detail about how to restrict them further, and in general people who are pushing these cards are using top tier hardware anyway.
 
You also contradict yourself by saying that kp cards are not exclusive but Galax HoF cards are?
People need to chill a little bit though as we are talking about a card that will likely be released in very limited amounts and many many people who want one won't be able to get one.
 
I wanted to join a conversation but instead people are getting irate so I'll take a back seat on this thread. Thank you for engaging with me though all opinions are valid

rjohnson11
Please everyone, let's post professionally and respect other forum member's posts even if you disagree with them. 

Thanks for stepping in before things spiral out. It seems like this thread is heating up and people are getting emotional about opposing views.

rjohnson11
Please everyone, let's post professionally and respect other forum member's posts even if you disagree with them. 

I would hope EVGA keeps a pulse on this thread where non-employees are trying to function as gatekeepers to their products. 

Dwarfy

gimeno

Dwarfy
 
Not a soapbox moment I'm affraid, just trying to help you understand that kp cards are exclusives, are not aimed at the general market and should be tied in some fashion to EVGA members.
The criteria for that should not be impossible to obtain, and once offered to EVGA members should be offered lower until sold.
 
This means that first choice users are likely to push/bench/toy with the cards, then slowly down to the less toying more tweaking. before eventually heading to those who want a premium overclock but not want to change anything.
 
Yes it becomes exclusive but I'm sure that if the demand was there and it was possible then they might be able to release more.
 
The in house overclocker making records for EVGA and thus putting his name on the top tier card, why not tie it to EVGA members who would use it to it's fullest....?

Restricting sales to "users likely to push/bench/toy with the cards" only means additional requirements to prevent slow systems from dragging down scores. In other words, what are the minimum system requirements to purchase a 3090 KPE? How far do they take it? If we're to follow the spirit of your statement, there certainly isn't any room for any Intel systems, nor could EVGA allow anything below a Ryzen 5900X/5950X. Even low/slow RAM could be a limiting factor. Should the card be limited to people who own a 5950X with 32GB+ of 4000/CL15 fully tuned RAM, preference given to those with LN2 and second to chilled water? 
 
I run ambient water cooling, otherwise, I'm set. Are you, and would you wait hours/days while verifying your system with an EVGA rep before they sell you a card?
 
How far should your idea be taken? Because EVGA doesn't even make an X570 mobo, so do they limit the KPE to Intel Z490 systems even though the KPE would score higher with an AMD 5950X? 
 
No, and everything above was to demonstrate how silly your suggestion is. The KPE cards are NOT exclusive; they're niche, but they're not exclusive. Therefore, there's no need to worry if you're running an old AMD or Intel because EVGA isn't going to make you verify that your system is in the top 0.1% before they sell you a card meant for the top 0.1%
 
IIRC, GALAX HoF cards are pretty exclusive when they're launched. Does anyone know how they keep their cards from landing in sub-standard systems?

Caught me there, Yes they are exclusive, no other manufacturer makes them, I agree they are niche hence what I said further back, I never wanted to or went into detail about how to restrict them further, and in general people who are pushing these cards are using top tier hardware anyway.
 
You also contradict yourself by saying that kp cards are not exclusive but Galax HoF cards are?
People need to chill a little bit though as we are talking about a card that will likely be released in very limited amounts and many many people who want one won't be able to get one.
 
I wanted to join a conversation but instead people are getting irate so I'll take a back seat on this thread. Thank you for engaging with me though all opinions are valid

My apologies. As an engineer, I tend to be very blunt without realizing that I'm coming across as harsh. It's not intentional and it's not personal. I just lack tact on my part, which is even more difficult in an online discussion when you cannot see that my body-language is not aggressive. 
 
Anyway, I know that GALAX sells a small batch of binned GPU's on a custom PCB meant for competitive overclocking, and I believe it's their HoF cards. Perhaps the exclusivity is only early in product cycles, but I've never been interested in a product with that degree of commitment, nor do I know much about GALAX as a company - other than their cards are a notch above the KPE but come with some undesirable requirements (ie: commitments). 

hartsocks
Keep in mind, everything being shared is just opinion and speculation. We can want it done "this way" or not done "that way" but nothing has been announced or confirmed for how the KPE cards will be released and sold. No need to jump at each other for suggestions, ideas or opinions. We're all in the same boat hoping the release of KPE is more smooth and everyone has a fair chance at one.

Well said!

ejaworsk
i agree with gimeno. no one NEEDS a kingpin. the target buyer is someone with a bunch of disposable money. if someone wants an extra 1.5 fps in their game, or they just want it for looks, or they want it to do competitive overclocking/benching that's up to them. whose to say where the value of the card lie. im going to guess the majority of past and future kingpin owners are not well known competitive overclockers. From a business perspective, EVGA will be happy to sell the cards. 
 
If the Kingpins were reserved for people who were going to use them in the most productive manner then they should all be sold to the scalpers, because thus far the most productive (money making) use for the 30 series has been people reselling them. 

This is both hilarious and scary at the same time >.<

They should be allocated to property-owning males of the highest moral character.

watch the off topic remarks and personal attacks please. 

ty_ger07

DarthYodi
Everyone that still has en EVBot should get first dibs, or if you had a Classified card!

And that would be measured, how?

I would say at least an original receipt, clipped UPC, multiple pictures of the user with the EVBot (during overclocking, dinner, at the park, etc.), and at least one fried board.