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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:08:30 (permalink)
Doesn't work on the normal ftw3. Flashed to ftw3 ultra oc bios on my ftw3, flashed the "xoc" bios, ddu, and driver install. It works.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:08:40 (permalink)
I already have a golden chip and have top 20 port royal score and top 10 firestrike ultra score with stock bios on air. Selling this card and getting the ultra version would most likely be a downgrade even with 500w vs 450w
 
My card always sits at the power limit even in less taxing applications such as heaven running over 300fps... I could definitely use the higher power draw and there is no way I will let this sample go. This update should have been for both 3090 ftw3s but regardless i will work around it i suppose
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:09:04 (permalink)
Great job EVGA. I'll be looking to pick up a 3090 FTW3 Ultra Hydro Copper once you release it :) Maybe you guys can even ship the card with that BIOS on it as the OC BIOS.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:09:35 (permalink)
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Same here but I think something is off...there should be significant gains as the power target was the primary bottleneck. Neither power nor temps raised at all during my tests with the power slider maxed...that shouldn’t be possible.



If your over 55c, power isn't your largest barrier. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:12:19 (permalink)
I’m around 50c...open air test, voltage maxed, power maxed...no difference between 107 and 119% power limit...any other ideas?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:16:16 (permalink)
Seeing similar results. Flashed the OC version. Power slider in X1 now shows 119% max. In practice never going over the old 107% mark in any tests. In gpu-z, PerfCap reason still saying PWR.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:18:12 (permalink)
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Seeing similar results. Flashed the OC version. Power slider in X1 now shows 119% max. In practice never going over the old 107% mark in any tests. In gpu-z, PerfCap reason still saying PWR.

O_O sounding like a vbios issue.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:22:53 (permalink)
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Seeing similar results. Flashed the OC version. Power slider in X1 now shows 119% max. In practice never going over the old 107% mark in any tests. In gpu-z, PerfCap reason still saying PWR.

O_O sounding like a vbios issue.


Port Royal was showing power as the percap even with only the power slider maxed (OC beta vbios). That didn't change when I did a quick and dirty OC before I had to leave. ~400 watts without me overclocking, ~420 watts when I did. But it's a 1440P bench, not 4K like time spy extreme.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:25:23 (permalink)
I tried superposition 4K, 8k, and 1080extreme. I already have top 5 scores in all those categories with stock bios and saw zero improvement with the new bios. Temps low 50s. Something is not right
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:25:48 (permalink)
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Seeing similar results. Flashed the OC version. Power slider in X1 now shows 119% max. In practice never going over the old 107% mark in any tests. In gpu-z, PerfCap reason still saying PWR.

O_O sounding like a vbios issue.


Port Royal was showing power as the percap even with only the power slider maxed (OC beta vbios). That didn't change when I did a quick and dirty OC before I had to leave. ~400 watts without me overclocking, ~420 watts when I did. But it's a 1440P bench, not 4K like time spy extreme.

Not sounding good. 🤬

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:30:34 (permalink)
Being limited at 107% instead of 119% is starting to sound like this thread all over again...

https://forums.evga.com/1...d-see-op-m2693145.aspx

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:31:18 (permalink)
that big green chunk is perf capped PWR, just so super coincidentally at exactly 420w...there's def an issue here. any chance the team could investigate @Jacob?

post edited by arcky - 2020/10/21 10:34:32

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:35:34 (permalink)
My GPUZ showing the same thing.  Hovering at 107% TDP the entire time not going higher even though its set to 119% in the app.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:47:21 (permalink)
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My GPUZ showing the same thing.  Hovering at 107% TDP the entire time not going higher even though its set to 119% in the app.


Same.
 
One weird thing to note, my PC is crashing/rebooting when running OC scanner via afterburner or PX1...
 
Game wise, sticking to old clock and power limits, tested in Witcher 3, Control, Heaven 4.0.
 
My temps are largely unchanged, hovering around 65-71c, so unless this power limit disables at relatively low temps...something not right here. Afraid to Flash normal BIOS without a backup of the non beta bios to restore to. So have only tried the OC bios version.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 10:49:17 (permalink)
As others have said, I have only tried the OC beta bios installed with the oc switch on OC mode. Plan was to keep normal mode completely stock. Maybe that’ll help the team in troubleshooting?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:00:10 (permalink)
I just installed the XOC bios and confirmed my power target goes up to 119% now.  However I can't get it to hit anything higher then 107% running Port Royal.  
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:04:26 (permalink)
Saw same BSOD with OC scanner.
 
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My GPUZ showing the same thing.  Hovering at 107% TDP the entire time not going higher even though its set to 119% in the app.


Same.
 
One weird thing to note, my PC is crashing/rebooting when running OC scanner via afterburner or PX1...
 
Game wise, sticking to old clock and power limits, tested in Witcher 3, Control, Heaven 4.0.
 
My temps are largely unchanged, hovering around 65-71c, so unless this power limit disables at relatively low temps...something not right here. Afraid to Flash normal BIOS without a backup of the non beta bios to restore to. So have only tried the OC bios version.




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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:05:33 (permalink)
On a quick note: the XOC OC VBIOS does cause my computer to hard lock fairly quickly when folding@home using the same overclock settings but with the higher power target.

The actual load being pulled as reported by GPU-Z was the same as with the original OC VBIOS and was fairly consistent and did NOT have huge spikes, but PX1 reports that the original OC VBIOS would spike up to 125% power target - I was not looking to see what PX1 was reporting with the beta VBIOS and will have to do more testing when I have the time later.
 
I did not get any crashing or failed runs on any of the three quick port royal runs.
post edited by arestavo - 2020/10/21 11:14:41
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:05:47 (permalink)
It works! 500W max / 119% and will test some benchmark now. Can't wait for the Optimius waterblock now to let it stretch its legs!!

Correction: it works in gpuz reporting 500w max and evga tool 119% slider but sadly not going over 450W I noticed now, sorry for the missinfo.
post edited by zogge - 2020/10/21 11:23:10
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:12:36 (permalink)
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It works! 500W max / 119% and will test some benchmark now. Can't wait for the Optimius waterblock now to let it stretch its legs!!

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:16:52 (permalink)
So should I be able to get close to 500 watts when using something like furmark? GPU-z shows a max power usage of 460 and precision x1 shows the power usage never going above 109%. 
 
Using NVSMI I can see the max power limit is 499w... So IDK.
 
Something seems off here.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:18:39 (permalink)
Yes, but you shouldn’t be running furmark unless you like toasting your card.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:20:06 (permalink)
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Yes, but you shouldn’t be running furmark unless you like toasting your card.

Ha, very true, but I was just running it for about 20 seconds as I know that program will definitely draw all the power you card can provide. In that time my max temp was 61 c. So no frying happening here. :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:31:15 (permalink)
Same issue here... Flashed the OC side with the XOC beta, and was able to confirm 119% in PX1 and GPU-Z... BUT in practice, it doesn't go any higher than the old power limit of 107%.  Reinstalling PX1 didn't fix the problem.

BTW... how do I get GPU-Z to show the actual power limits in watts instead of % under the advanced tap? 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:38:34 (permalink)
This BIOS basically does nothing. You're not missing out on anything by having a non-ultra FTW3 card. The card is still showing a performance limit reason of power at all times, and won't go past 420-425W or so.
 
As for why? My guess is that it's hitting the individual connector power limit for the PCI-E slot:

 
Sadly I don't think Nvidia would approve of any BIOS that intentionally ignores the PCI-E slot power delivery limit. I also suspect that there is no power balancing circuitry between the PCI-E slot and the 3x8-pin connectors. I may need to look at a different model because an effective 425W power limit is nowhere near what is required to max out one of these GPUs on watercooling.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:44:24 (permalink)
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This BIOS basically does nothing. You're not missing out on anything by having a non-ultra FTW3 card. The card is still showing a performance limit reason of power at all times, and won't go past 420-425W or so.
 
As for why? My guess is that it's hitting the individual connector power limit for the PCI-E slot:

 
Sadly I don't think Nvidia would approve of any BIOS that intentionally ignores the PCI-E slot power delivery limit. I also suspect that there is no power balancing circuitry between the PCI-E slot and the 3x8-pin connectors. I may need to look at a different model because an effective 425W power limit is nowhere near what is required to max out one of these GPUs on watercooling.


Can’t imagine this is intended. I mean why knowingly release a 500w bios effectively limited to 425w?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:46:11 (permalink)
How come the people over at overclock.net have it working on their non evga cards but actual ftw3 owners cant get it to work>?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:47:30 (permalink)
some of the ppl are coming from 480w strix bios and still showing improvements from the extra 20w
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:50:00 (permalink)
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This BIOS basically does nothing. You're not missing out on anything by having a non-ultra FTW3 card. The card is still showing a performance limit reason of power at all times, and won't go past 420-425W or so.
 
As for why? My guess is that it's hitting the individual connector power limit for the PCI-E slot:

 
Sadly I don't think Nvidia would approve of any BIOS that intentionally ignores the PCI-E slot power delivery limit. I also suspect that there is no power balancing circuitry between the PCI-E slot and the 3x8-pin connectors. I may need to look at a different model because an effective 425W power limit is nowhere near what is required to max out one of these GPUs on watercooling.


Can’t imagine this is intended. I mean why knowingly release a 500w bios effectively limited to 425w?

Easy. You want true xoc potential. You buy Kingpin. 😁

Or

It could just be a bug.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/10/21 11:52:49 (permalink)
there is a guy using a gaming x trio who just jumped to #9 in the world using the new evga bios. Now they are trying to dump the bios without the exe so maybe i can straight flash it instead of dl from the link to work correctly
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