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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 11:43:56 (permalink)
Maybe these cards are more efficient , "less" can mean more sometimes .
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 11:52:06 (permalink)
No the negative aspects of the power plant design decisions implemented this gen by EVGA are exasperated by the garbage NVIDIA drivers. The Garbage drivers however only add insult to injury.
 
the question that crosses my mind is... Would Illya have rubber stamped this power plant design that is becoming so problematic?  Everyone is always arguing that a Team of amazing engineers @ EVGA is responsible for the design of even the KingPin cards. 
 
Well Amazing EVGA engineering team... If you want credit for the good you also need to take responsibility for the BAD. 
 
Its hard to reconcile the coincidence that as soon as Illya is not involved in a product cycle we find an off the script out of reference power plant design that we as consumers experience to be HOT GARBAGE. literally 
 
Sure we could blame it on NVIDIA but mistakes are always made.  Last cycle TiN would have put and end to all the BS speculation and nonsense in this thread by simply demonstrating with scopes and other metered sensor data in detailed transparent granularity what works, what doesn't work and what to expect.
 
I do not expect a so called XOC bios to perform worse under sub ambient conditions than its non XOC counterpart. However presented with a reliable data from EVGA or an EE suggesting an alternative expectation I can accept this and integrate into my model of expectation.  
 
IMO EVGA owes this thread and the community a "SANITY CHECK" with this hardware and bios as it relates to performance and performant expectation.
 
This issue is not a mystery if EGO'd to MAX non enthusiast gaming channels on YouTube can demonstrate the issue, replicate the issue and then demonstrate and replicate a mitigation! How can an "Amazing team of engineers" act like the issue is a non-existent needle in a haystack?
 
A mystery that will takes months or years to uncover? 
 
What is more damaging to the brand?.. Just like in any relationship - omitting / redacting the whole story breads contempt, mistrust, degradation and ultimately exodus 
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 13:07:31 (permalink)
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seems like it's safest to use v1.1.1 and to start from the factory vbios then?

If u decide to update the firmware itll still function just that the leds will be lit, and if u have px1 itll keep prompting to update firmware
Testing again the 520 bios now without the firmware to compare vs with

I already flashed without issue and had started from factory vbios, using PX1 v1.1.1; just typing it out for others to see.  
 
Kingpin bios seems to give a decent uptick in port royal scores, but the fan issues are annoying. comparison of stock OC bios, XOC bios, kingpin bios:  https://www.3dmark.com/compare/pr/580080/pr/580111/pr/579772 


Those PR scores should be much higher for that card with those clocks.. if this benchmark is now an uneven playing field due to an update, then it should not be used as a benchmark at all.


 
 


oh i missed the previous posts, i was confused and was comparing my results just now, even went back to the strix bios to compare with my top score and ya, about 170 point short on average


Can u try KP bios firmware update with this PX1 ? (Should be new one fixed) https://t.co/UKs3IArvR1?amp=1


PX1 v1.1.2 and v1.1.2.1 did not work for me, just kept prompting me to update the firmware and would not launch. Had to reflash back to the stock FTW3 Ultra OC bios before X1 updated the firmware again and got the fans off of 100%. Use v1.1.1 if you're going to use PX1 (edit: with the Kingpin bios). Have not tried AB yet.
post edited by kvswim - 2020/12/02 13:25:15
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 13:18:53 (permalink)
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Question,
 
Saturday I got My EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra (Taiwan with black lips, after waiting two months. First batch never arrived here) and did some Port Royal.
I only used the Stock OC 450w Bios and was sometimes peaking 460w. 
I got ~14100 on Port Royal with only clock +150 @ 67C (20C ambient) And max power slider(107%). It was running at 1.0620V
I left the voltage slider at 0. I noticed as long as the voltage was 1.0620V it was stable enough to not crash. (With higher clocking it was dropping the voltage from 1.0850V)
 
How much points will I gain with the XOC 500w Bios? And can it improve FPS in games?
 
Edit: My card came with Bios 94.02.26.48.16 (OC switch) on it if it matters.


 
I also have a Taiwan card but with red lips. With power slider at 107 on the stock OC bios my card also pulls up to 465W. With a +115 core OC it can pull 14100 on Port Royal. However, my TimeSpy graphics score sucks and maxes out at around 19600. What is your TimeSpy graphics score?


It's weird this is with Gpu clock +0:


https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54092863?
 
But when I run graphics only I get 20469?
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/15858757
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 13:22:38 (permalink)
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Question,
 
Saturday I got My EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra (Taiwan with black lips, after waiting two months. First batch never arrived here) and did some Port Royal.
I only used the Stock OC 450w Bios and was sometimes peaking 460w. 
I got ~14100 on Port Royal with only clock +150 @ 67C (20C ambient) And max power slider(107%). It was running at 1.0620V
I left the voltage slider at 0. I noticed as long as the voltage was 1.0620V it was stable enough to not crash. (With higher clocking it was dropping the voltage from 1.0850V)
 
How much points will I gain with the XOC 500w Bios? And can it improve FPS in games?
 
Edit: My card came with Bios 94.02.26.48.16 (OC switch) on it if it matters.


 
I also have a Taiwan card but with red lips. With power slider at 107 on the stock OC bios my card also pulls up to 465W. With a +115 core OC it can pull 14100 on Port Royal. However, my TimeSpy graphics score sucks and maxes out at around 19600. What is your TimeSpy graphics score?


It's weird this is with Gpu clock +0:


https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54092863?
 
But when I run graphics only I get 20469?
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/15858757
 




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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 13:39:41 (permalink)
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Timespy vs Timespy extreme friend.




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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 13:46:33 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 13:50:43 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 13:59:46 (permalink)
I am seeing some weird behaivour with the XOC bios on the first page. After a period of time when playing games, eg. squad and AC Valhalla, the system will reset with no warning. The only settings I have changed in X1 is moved the slider to 119%/91c. 
 
Upon changing back to the default bios, I see no further issues and everything works as expected. 
 
My system specs are 
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Obviously it should not be dying unexpectedly. Is anyone else seeing this issue/behaivour? 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 14:04:50 (permalink)
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I am seeing some weird behaivour with the XOC bios on the first page. After a period of time when playing games, eg. squad and AC Valhalla, the system will reset with no warning. The only settings I have changed in X1 is moved the slider to 119%/91c. 
 
Upon changing back to the default bios, I see no further issues and everything works as expected. 
 
My system specs are 
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1000w titanium prime psu
 
Obviously it should not be dying unexpectedly. Is anyone else seeing this issue/behaivour? 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 14:20:47 (permalink)
I've got a 2014 Serial #, red lips, never close to 500w. 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 14:57:46 (permalink)
 From what i read here people complain with 0 problem and when they have one for real its look like its related to the other part of the system, bad overclocking of cpu or memory or both.
 
Scoring 15300 in port royal can give you 2fps at 4k but you cant apply those overclocking setting for play game coz it will crash, so enjoy ur card and play ur game. stop think you will get a rtx-4090 with your rtx-3090.
 
rtx-3090 is a rtx-3090, stop look at the benchmark port royal at 18 000 coz this guy try 24 hours to get this and he just do once in is life on LN2 and maybe he were at the space station and at the other side of the door. 
 
Just with the xoc bios my card generate enough heat for all my room and this in winter when its -30c outside. I really dont know what you are searching and what you dreaming about but me i play all my game and wow this card rock, whatever the game i play at ultra 4k the card eat it. I play movie with mpc hc and use madvr and all setting crank to max and this card didnt fall.
 
I didnt unistall my a/c yet and snow falling today, is this enough heat coming from my pc, no i need a 900w bios, what the hell guys.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 15:01:37 (permalink)
Is there ever going to be an update to this BIOS? A final version or improved BETA perhaps soon? It's been well over a month since the original release.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 15:16:11 (permalink)
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 From what i read here people complain with 0 problem and when they have one for real its look like its related to the other part of the system, bad overclocking of cpu or memory or both.
 
Scoring 15300 in port royal can give you 2fps at 4k but you cant apply those overclocking setting for play game coz it will crash, so enjoy ur card and play ur game. stop think you will get a rtx-4090 with your rtx-3090.
 
rtx-3090 is a rtx-3090, stop look at the benchmark port royal at 18 000 coz this guy try 24 hours to get this and he just do once in is life on LN2 and maybe he were at the space station and at the other side of the door. 
 
Just with the xoc bios my card generate enough heat for all my room and this in winter when its -30c outside. I really dont know what you are searching and what you dreaming about but me i play all my game and wow this card rock, whatever the game i play at ultra 4k the card eat it. I play movie with mpc hc and use madvr and all setting crank to max and this card didnt fall.
 
I didnt unistall my a/c yet and snow falling today, is this enough heat coming from my pc, no i need a 900w bios, what the hell guys.




 
Ya it is true that the issue here is not really relevant for gaming or even at ambient operating temperatures and agree that the FTW III Ultra is a perfectly fine card for gaming on any bios.
 
Really the issue is with name of the bios and its stated power. It does not do what an XOC bios should and instead illustrated at least one hardware design deficiency and many software related bugs.
 
This bios should be renamed undervoltme.bios and EVGA can just say expect 360-475 Watts.  Not very exciting but....  
 
The community called BS, it is BS. Not XOC and NOT 500W
 
EVGA should just make a real "OC" bios that is profiled adequately for boards design.     Drop the X 
 
"How dare you throw the X into OC so casually" - Its offensive and disrepectful to K|NGP|N  --- hahaha but its kinda true right... 
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 16:15:52 (permalink)
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I've got a 2014 Serial #, red lips, never close to 500w. 





 
How is 481w (19w off) not close in your eyes?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 16:16:30 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 17:13:04 (permalink)
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I've got a 2014 Serial #, red lips, never close to 500w. 





huh this is VERY close to 500 and you have a China board as wel lol. Over clock that and u will see 500 avg in some benches or 481+ avg in some games lol. Ur card is working as intended with that bios 100%
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 17:14:11 (permalink)
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I've got a 2014 Serial #, red lips, never close to 500w. 





huh this is VERY close to 500 and you have a China board as wel lol. Over clock that and u will see 500 avg in some benches or 481+ avg in some games lol. Ur card is working as intended with that bios 100%
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 19:37:12 (permalink)
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 From what i read here people complain with 0 problem and when they have one for real its look like its related to the other part of the system, bad overclocking of cpu or memory or both.
 
Scoring 15300 in port royal can give you 2fps at 4k but you cant apply those overclocking setting for play game coz it will crash, so enjoy ur card and play ur game. stop think you will get a rtx-4090 with your rtx-3090.
 
rtx-3090 is a rtx-3090, stop look at the benchmark port royal at 18 000 coz this guy try 24 hours to get this and he just do once in is life on LN2 and maybe he were at the space station and at the other side of the door. 
 
Just with the xoc bios my card generate enough heat for all my room and this in winter when its -30c outside. I really dont know what you are searching and what you dreaming about but me i play all my game and wow this card rock, whatever the game i play at ultra 4k the card eat it. I play movie with mpc hc and use madvr and all setting crank to max and this card didnt fall.
 
I didnt unistall my a/c yet and snow falling today, is this enough heat coming from my pc, no i need a 900w bios, what the hell guys.


 
The point I think people here are trying to make - is that EVGA is a brand known for Overclocking - and doing well for those of us that enjoy this part of the hobby.  Some of us don't even play games.  Some of the 3pin FTW3 cards are artificially and inappropriately limited to power draws similar to 2 pin cards from other manufacturers.  You are correct - imperceptible in gaming.  But - that's not the point.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 19:38:55 (permalink)
Got my replacement 3090 in today (2014 series) and it maxed at 490w in quake 2 rtx. Wasn't sustained there, but likely cause it was getting toasty (in the upper 70s)

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 21:27:14 (permalink)
Still getting 450w max with the new OC Bios 500w. Was there a fix or work around yet? or an updated bios other than the 1 on the first page? Cheers!
Just got my card today, Ultra/2014/Red Lips
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 21:28:16 (permalink)
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Got my replacement 3090 in today (2014 series) and it maxed at 490w in quake 2 rtx. Wasn't sustained there, but likely cause it was getting toasty (in the upper 70s)



Good to hear you got a good one!  EVGA has thus far been uninterested in offering to even investigate my severely power limited card (360-390W PWR limit on stock bios).
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 21:34:45 (permalink)

Hello,

Thanks for the screenshots. I see the problem, you're not overclocking the card at all yet. At stock GPU speed with the new BIOS, the card doesn't have any reason to pull any extra power. Until you give the card a reason to use more power, it won't. Throw a decent stable overclock on the card, make sure you have the fans set aggressively to keep the temperature from being an issue, and it should start drawing more power. 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 22:01:51 (permalink)
So are the Hybrids that are coming out either Chinese or Taiwanese?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 22:32:16 (permalink)
How can you tell? My serial number starts with 2014 and I have one of the first Hybrid cards.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/02 23:22:12 (permalink)
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How can you tell? My serial number starts with 2014 and I have one of the first Hybrid cards.



it says it on the box as well, but im sure thats a Chinese card, I have a 4th card coming in this week. Snagged one on newegg today for MSRP lol
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/03 00:26:33 (permalink)
I hope for the sake of all the people that purchased the hybrids and KP's this only appears in the early cards...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/03 00:44:20 (permalink)
There's no point in flashing the firmware. The MCU firmware is for things like fan, pump, rgb, and lcd operation. It has nothing to do with power limits, boosting, etc. You want to keep the Ftw3 firmware.

Also its really hard to brick a card with dual bios but it's pretty easy to brick a card if you flash the wrong MCU firmware.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/03 00:57:19 (permalink)
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How can you tell? My serial number starts with 2014 and I have one of the first Hybrid cards.



it says it on the box as well, but im sure thats a Chinese card, I have a 4th card coming in this week. Snagged one on newegg today for MSRP lol


Some boxes just say "packaged in the usa" or something similar, however, 2014 is made in Taiwan (2012 is China). I have no idea if this difference affects anything other than the FTW Ultras though, and at this point, it may not even be the case for those cards any more. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/03 03:01:33 (permalink)
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I've got a 2014 Serial #, red lips, never close to 500w. 



Wow, you got a pretty low voltage at 1.0430V. Good Silicon! Is it stable at that voltage?
I'm at 1.0620V Stable for benching. Can't get lower than that otherwise it will crash. 

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