Tripod1990

sparetimepc

arestavo

slovak_killer


REV 0.0 might be/are probably pre-production versions, review samples etc. But yea lets see if someone has one.

0.1 and EVGA227 here, and my card is one that doesn't like to pull more than 440W average ever.

That's what mine is as well

You hardly get anything above ~450W in any game (exceptions I have seen are control and crysis remastered). I think not many games can utilize the GPU at 100% to draw that much power. Benchmarks are another story. 

In any game or benchmark or stress test at any resolution (including 8K).
 
So if Spare's is pulling near 500W on average, and mine can't (except with an XC3 VBIOS), then we can rule out board revisions.

Tripod1990

arestavo

Tripod1990

sparetimepc

arestavo

slovak_killer


REV 0.0 might be/are probably pre-production versions, review samples etc. But yea lets see if someone has one.

0.1 and EVGA227 here, and my card is one that doesn't like to pull more than 440W average ever.

That's what mine is as well

You hardly get anything above ~450W in any game (exceptions I have seen are control and crysis remastered). I think not many games can utilize the GPU at 100% to draw that much power. Benchmarks are another story. 

In any game or benchmark or stress test at any resolution (including 8K).

You can get close to 500W in benchmarks, but in games almost always something else causes a bottleneck before you can hit 500W. Here I am not talking about CPU bottleneck, but an internal bottleneck for the GPU. It can be memory bandwidth, some type of calculation, cache etc. Since the rest of the card can work as fast as the slowest part, power cannot hit max.   

I'd explain it again, but I don't think you're getting it at all.

cerealkeller

slovak_killer

cerealkeller

Tripod1990
One thing I noticed is that you can increase power consumption by setting the core voltage slider to 100%. This is not surprising but still interesting. With default voltage slider (at 0%) I peak around 460W, with the slider at 100% I can go up to 490W. Still not 500W but higher. I also get a 15mhz core clock bump even with identical core offset (from 2085mhz to 2100mhz). To me this looks like the cards, for some reason, does not go into higher points, on voltage/clock curve. You can force it to some extend by pushing the voltage slider, which basically manually unlocks some higher points on the curve. But the question is why the cards doesn't use hit those points on their own (and even with 100% I am still short of 500W).

Maybe it is because the card hits max voltage limit before hitting max power limit. Since some people were able to hit 500W with better cooling, it might be related to this, since you can push more current (and watts) at the same voltage if temperature is lower. Voltage = current x resistance, where resistance increase by temperature, so higher the temp gets, card will reduce current to maintain core voltage.  

To be fair, I haven’t been touching that because it appeared to do nothing, I’ll have to check that...

Can confirm that setting voltage offset to 100% will give u better boost because of slightly higher vcore, we are talking about 30-40mV cca though.

How high is your voltage going, mine hits 1.081 without being boosted, which based on the last two generations would have been over-volt

My 2080Ti would hit 1.093V, but I had to keep it under 40C for it to do so. It looks like the highest I’ve seen someone mention the 3090 pulling is 1.094V. Someone showed 1.1V in P-X1 but I think it was a rounded number.

Tripod1990

sparetimepc

arestavo

slovak_killer


REV 0.0 might be/are probably pre-production versions, review samples etc. But yea lets see if someone has one.

0.1 and EVGA227 here, and my card is one that doesn't like to pull more than 440W average ever.

That's what mine is as well

You hardly get anything above ~450W in any game (exceptions I have seen are control and crysis remastered). I think not many games can utilize the GPU at 100% to draw that much power. Benchmarks are another story. 

For me it’s every game that thrashes my card. But I’m gaming at 4K 120 hz or 8K 60 hz depending on the game.

Notchys temperatures are much much lower (59c) on his YouTube video than what I experience. I think thats a big factor, if my card is hitting mid to upper 70s (port royal 8k maxed) with max fans its probably not going to draw another 30 to 50 watts. It won't be able to dissipate it. I peaked at 469w, but average was lower (closer to 445)

QueueCumber

Dwayne_Johnson
Is there a reason why the Strix OC performs better than FTW3 Ultra in timespy, despite the same GPU/V-RAM clock and CPU? (400-500 more Graphics-Score)
 

Yeah. That is killing me in the 3D Mark HoF scores. All the cards above me are the Asus. I hope they fix the bios enough for me to catch those cards on benchmarks...

P.S. Can you folks stop quoting multiple layers? It is getting hard to read the responses... lol

Not all are actually asus and not all are actually evga...

Just play around with different bios' to climb the ladder. I just got 15199 on port royal on my ftw3


1480-1520 was what i got using the 500w beta bios
need to balance the power limit vs temps vs ram clock to improve, otherwise one or the other will trigger restriction and lower score

Once they release a new proper functioning build of the 500w bios, itd be useless for a lot of us until a waterblock is readily available

Notchy.. Not once ever has my card ever hit over 444 watts.. Ever. I got a day one card. Clearly people with newer cards are getting much better results... That seems to be a trend.. they are probably trying to figure out how they can admit that the first month of cards just isn't as good perhaps???
 
Drunknfoo - Amazing Score.
 
I can confirm its not temp cause my highest temps can stay under 60 if I max my air conditioning but no matter what I cant get over 14600 ever lately.  My highest score was on original firmware and original bios and I haven't even been able to get close ever again... 
 

just the way it is I guess...

arestavo
As mentioned several times in the thread recently - if you have a card that doesn't perform as well with the XOC beta VBIOS, you can use the XC3 VBIOS and performance will noticeably increase over the stock (or beta) VBIOS.
But I agree that a working XOC VBIOS for those of us who don't see an increase would be nice.

Ye, I'm just going to wait a bit more and see if evga puts out an official one, :-( but I'll probably get fed up and try it in a couple weeks if I don't see anything from evga about it

arcky
None of us are alone. We're just going round in circles in this thread. We've exhausted our resources at this point having presented all the hard data we have access to in order to prove out our experiences. The silence from EVGA is deafening and has caused us to begin to cannibalize ourselves in these comments. We recognize that for some the XOC Bios are working, as evidenced by the data presented by Notchy and others. We recognize that for some it isn't, as presented by Dark, Lord, myself, and others. We recognize it's unrelated to temps, revisions, benchmark/stress-test/game. The only thing we haven't received is recognition from EVGA. 

Incorrect. Jacob Freeman has said that they are looking into it. However, it has been about a month since then.
 
Edit: Page 10, post # 277 https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3126360 

arestavo

arcky
None of us are alone. We're just going round in circles in this thread. We've exhausted our resources at this point having presented all the hard data we have access to in order to prove out our experiences. The silence from EVGA is deafening and has caused us to begin to cannibalize ourselves in these comments. We recognize that for some the XOC Bios are working, as evidenced by the data presented by Notchy and others. We recognize that for some it isn't, as presented by Dark, Lord, myself, and others. We recognize it's unrelated to temps, revisions, benchmark/stress-test/game. The only thing we haven't received is recognition from EVGA. 

Incorrect. Jacob Freeman has said that they are looking into it. However, it has been about a month since then.
 
Edit: Page 10, post # 277 https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3126360 

Thanks for pointing that out. Though I was aware of it, it just feels like too little and not exactly recognition of our specific data inputs and experiences, and instead just a generic recognition which feels a bit hollow in light of the efforts many of us have gone through to provide feedback on these beta bios. However, you are technically correct and I concede my point.

Ah I'm glad I didn't buy EVGA for Ampere series...

Notchy44

What Bios did you use? And what clock speeds? Are you on water? Thats a good score. Im still using 3200 C16 4x8 gig ram but im hitting 14578 scores and 2145 core 66c avg


 
14500-14990 scores was with the 500w xoc beta without any shunts. from observation, the score is limited to the large fluctuations in wattage being pulled, i see draws of anywhere from 500w to 680w during the run, and when shunted, that range grows even higher and averaging much lower draws, 520w-750w (don't remember what power % i was using at that time)
 
14600-14800 range on the xc bios without any shunts, this bios definitely had less wattage fluctuations, no more than 50w across each run, (which may explain why some are improving their scores with this bios than the stock one or the 500w beta)
 
 
15000+ using the asus bios with shunts (still have ~ 130wats that i can play with but temps are obviously an issue). (no info on without shunts, i tried it originally when i first got the card and it didn't play well for some reason)
 
One conclusion that i can draw is the peak power draws along with the peak voltage that is used across all bios are completely random and can vary as large as .035v and 70w between runs, disabling and re-enabling drivers can reflect this behavior.
Temps appear to play a huge role in how power is drawn, lows, avg and peaks
 
I was stuck under LordGurciullo on the ladder for awhile until my ambient was able to drop 5c (i have a mini cooling system (disconnected rad/pump) setup in the case that gets as low as 19c and that 5c ambient drop brought it down to about 12c) on either the latest stock bios and or the xoc bios (unshunted)
 
 
 
 
 

cerealkeller
So it does appear to be working for me now.  I have been testing with a 3 different  BIOS.  The stock BIOS, the XC3 BIOS, and the 500w XOC BIOS.  I want to point out that I went to overclock.net and downloaded the BIOS from there and nvflash, and flashed the BIOS manually, rather than using the one EVGA provided.  I got out my Kill a Watt and did some testing with that to confirm my findings.  The stock BIOS, wouldn't exceed around 660 watts total system draw at the wall socket.  The XC3 and the 500w BIOS both maxed out around 710w.  I was able to get the same OC with the 500w BIOS as the XC3 BIOS except it's not all glitchy and things report correctly.  Actually my fan still has that weird bug, don't ask me what that's about.  Won't matter it a couple weeks when I get my water block.  I didn't have the fan bug on the stock BIOS, but I did on the XC3 BIOS and/or if I tried to use Afterburner instead of PrecisionX

Can you give a link to the bios you got from overclock.net (or PM me if you feel safer doing that)

cerealkeller
So it does appear to be working for me now.  I have been testing with a 3 different  BIOS.  The stock BIOS, the XC3 BIOS, and the 500w XOC BIOS.  I want to point out that I went to overclock.net and downloaded the BIOS from there and nvflash, and flashed the BIOS manually, rather than using the one EVGA provided.  I got out my Kill a Watt and did some testing with that to confirm my findings.  The stock BIOS, wouldn't exceed around 660 watts total system draw at the wall socket.  The XC3 and the 500w BIOS both maxed out around 710w.  I was able to get the same OC with the 500w BIOS as the XC3 BIOS except it's not all glitchy and things report correctly.  Actually my fan still has that weird bug, don't ask me what that's about.  Won't matter it a couple weeks when I get my water block.  I didn't have the fan bug on the stock BIOS, but I did on the XC3 BIOS and/or if I tried to use Afterburner instead of PrecisionX

 
Would love a link to the bios from overclockers.

cerealkeller
So it does appear to be working for me now.  I have been testing with a 3 different  BIOS.  The stock BIOS, the XC3 BIOS, and the 500w XOC BIOS.  I want to point out that I went to overclock.net and downloaded the BIOS from there and nvflash, and flashed the BIOS manually, rather than using the one EVGA provided.  I got out my Kill a Watt and did some testing with that to confirm my findings.  The stock BIOS, wouldn't exceed around 660 watts total system draw at the wall socket.  The XC3 and the 500w BIOS both maxed out around 710w.  I was able to get the same OC with the 500w BIOS as the XC3 BIOS except it's not all glitchy and things report correctly.  Actually my fan still has that weird bug, don't ask me what that's about.  Won't matter it a couple weeks when I get my water block.  I didn't have the fan bug on the stock BIOS, but I did on the XC3 BIOS and/or if I tried to use Afterburner instead of PrecisionX

Hey thanks for trying those out! I flashed using the links posted at the "3090's owners club" thread at overclockers.net. Unfortunately I am still limited to 460watts just like the one Jacob posted. I am able to go up to 119% power limit,91c temp, and gpuz showed 500w, but the card will not pull more than 460watts. Using the bios at overclockers, the three fans on my ftw3ultra are now working properly at least... I just hope this gets sorted out before I get the hybrid cooling kit in my hands.