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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 07:24:11 (permalink)
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Emailed the 3090oc@. Got a stupid email back about my card not being registered under my account - even though EVGA have replaced it twice so far. Now still waiting on a response. After spending 2000$ with EVGA my card leaves FPS on the table. Top-of-the-line card = neutered. 


I am from germany. They answered me too: "Currently, we are only doing this optional RMA for residents within the US and Canada."
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 07:31:51 (permalink)
I have the hybrid ftw3 and my card draws 77-81w on pcie and pin3 is way lower than the other two pins. However, my card does draw 500w. With that said they said my card was fine and that the readings I had were software based and not always perfect. So in other words, unless you have an issue drawing the 500w I am not sure they will RMA your card. Just got the new email today. 
 
PS. I did upgrade to a KP card, selling my ftw3 card. My KP card so far did not have any pcie power draw issues and the 3 pins had a much more balanced power draw. 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 07:36:27 (permalink)
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I have the hybrid ftw3 and my card draws 77-81w on pcie and pin3 is way lower than the other two pins. However, my card does draw 500w. With that said they said my card was fine and that the readings I had were software based and not always perfect. So in other words, unless you have an issue drawing the 500w I am not sure they will RMA your card. Just got the new email today. 
PS. I did upgrade to a KP card, selling my ftw3 card. My KP card so far did not have any pcie power draw issues and the 3 pins had a much more balanced power draw. 



My card draws 390-400W, PCIE slot 3 is weak, and the slot power draw varies
post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2021/03/26 08:20:43
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 07:39:18 (permalink)
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KPE 520w bios actually runs at 520w on these new boards.  Just sayin'.  Stable clocks too.  Temps are great on air.  Juuuuuuuuuuust sayin'.

 Can you show us a port royal score with the 520w bios with your new card ?

The only difference between these two runs are the bios.  I ran these settings in Afterburner.

This is with the XOC bios that comes on the cards by default:

And this one is with the KPE 520w.  Please note I wanted an apples-to-apples comparison so they have the same curve applied.

With a proper overclock the KPE520w does pull the extra power.

Here is the 3dmark comparison. https://www.3dmark.com/co.are/pr/961623/pr/961612#
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 07:41:30 (permalink)
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Emailed the 3090oc@. Got a stupid email back about my card not being registered under my account - even though EVGA have replaced it twice so far. Now still waiting on a response. After spending 2000$ with EVGA my card leaves FPS on the table. Top-of-the-line card = neutered. 


I am from germany. They answered me too: "Currently, we are only doing this optional RMA for residents within the US and Canada."


Same here, but I did not get a reply via email yet. Wrote them about two weeks ago. However I got a reply from Anita (Facebook EVGA Germany page).
However I got my new card, has a much different serial number and is from china (instead of Taiwan like my old cards) Today I will test it. Maybe it's already the new revision.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 07:55:50 (permalink)
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BaDBoY_uK
Emailed the 3090oc@. Got a stupid email back about my card not being registered under my account - even though EVGA have replaced it twice so far. Now still waiting on a response. After spending 2000$ with EVGA my card leaves FPS on the table. Top-of-the-line card = neutered. 


I am from germany. They answered me too: "Currently, we are only doing this optional RMA for residents within the US and Canada."


Same here, but I did not get a reply via email yet. Wrote them about two weeks ago. However I got a reply from Anita (Facebook EVGA Germany page).
However I got my new card, has a much different serial number and is from china (instead of Taiwan like my old cards) Today I will test it. Maybe it's already the new revision.


If it works, can you send me the first 4 digits of the serial please?


My first defective card starts with 2014, the second with 2119 and the third with 2114.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 08:08:29 (permalink)
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Emailed the 3090oc@. Got a stupid email back about my card not being registered under my account - even though EVGA have replaced it twice so far. Now still waiting on a response. After spending 2000$ with EVGA my card leaves FPS on the table. Top-of-the-line card = neutered. 


I am from germany. They answered me too: "Currently, we are only doing this optional RMA for residents within the US and Canada."


Same here, but I did not get a reply via email yet. Wrote them about two weeks ago. However I got a reply from Anita (Facebook EVGA Germany page).
However I got my new card, has a much different serial number and is from china (instead of Taiwan like my old cards) Today I will test it. Maybe it's already the new revision.


If it works, can you send me the first 4 digits of the serial please?


My first defective card starts with 2014, the second with 2119 and the third with 2114.


Go check your BIOS (while on the OC switch) version in GPU-Z and you will know. If it matches this one, you have the new version of the card: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/231245/231245
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 10:13:24 (permalink)
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So what is the consensus on the new cards? Is it worth it to do a replacement?


Wondering the same thing.  My card's pcie slot goes up to 80w but the card maxes out around 485w with relatively even draw across all of the pins.  This is in Port Royal with just the power slider maxed in AB, but no overclock.  I'm not thrilled with the pcie slot but otherwise the card seems decent.




I am on the same boat. My card can score about 14700 in PR on the stock OC BIOS. The XOC is not adding much if anything at all. The max. PCIe slot power is saw was up to 82.5 watts with a max. of GPU power draw of 494 watts on the XOC. I don't know if I should RMA it when it is possible in other regions. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 10:16:51 (permalink)
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So what is the consensus on the new cards? Is it worth it to do a replacement?


Wondering the same thing.  My card's pcie slot goes up to 80w but the card maxes out around 485w with relatively even draw across all of the pins.  This is in Port Royal with just the power slider maxed in AB, but no overclock.  I'm not thrilled with the pcie slot but otherwise the card seems decent.




I am on the same boat. My card can score about 14700 in PR on the stock OC BIOS. The XOC is not adding much if anything at all. The max. PCIe slot power is saw was up to 82.5 watts with a max. of GPU power draw of 494 watts on the XOC. I don't know if I should RMA it when it is possible in other regions. 


That is board power draw. I'd probably wait till it dies and RMA it. With PCIe wattage like that I'd think its days are limited though.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 11:04:33 (permalink)
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So what is the consensus on the new cards? Is it worth it to do a replacement?


Wondering the same thing.  My card's pcie slot goes up to 80w but the card maxes out around 485w with relatively even draw across all of the pins.  This is in Port Royal with just the power slider maxed in AB, but no overclock.  I'm not thrilled with the pcie slot but otherwise the card seems decent.




I am on the same boat. My card can score about 14700 in PR on the stock OC BIOS. The XOC is not adding much if anything at all. The max. PCIe slot power is saw was up to 82.5 watts with a max. of GPU power draw of 494 watts on the XOC. I don't know if I should RMA it when it is possible in other regions. 


That is board power draw. I'd probably wait till it dies and RMA it. With PCIe wattage like that I'd think its days are limited though.


I mean board draw. Sorry. PCIe average under 100% full load is 75-78 I would say with some spikes to the 80's. I am worried about my other componets. I have nothing cheap in my PC but still. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 11:08:55 (permalink)
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So what is the consensus on the new cards? Is it worth it to do a replacement?


Wondering the same thing.  My card's pcie slot goes up to 80w but the card maxes out around 485w with relatively even draw across all of the pins.  This is in Port Royal with just the power slider maxed in AB, but no overclock.  I'm not thrilled with the pcie slot but otherwise the card seems decent.




I am on the same boat. My card can score about 14700 in PR on the stock OC BIOS. The XOC is not adding much if anything at all. The max. PCIe slot power is saw was up to 82.5 watts with a max. of GPU power draw of 494 watts on the XOC. I don't know if I should RMA it when it is possible in other regions. 


That is board power draw. I'd probably wait till it dies and RMA it. With PCIe wattage like that I'd think its days are limited though.


I mean board draw. Sorry. PCIe average under 100% full load is 75-78 I would say with some spikes to the 80's. I am worried about my other componets. I have nothing cheap in my PC but still. 


I meant to say that that is good board power draw. It's the PCIe power that is worrisome. 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 12:00:29 (permalink)
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So what is the consensus on the new cards? Is it worth it to do a replacement?


Wondering the same thing.  My card's pcie slot goes up to 80w but the card maxes out around 485w with relatively even draw across all of the pins.  This is in Port Royal with just the power slider maxed in AB, but no overclock.  I'm not thrilled with the pcie slot but otherwise the card seems decent.




I am on the same boat. My card can score about 14700 in PR on the stock OC BIOS. The XOC is not adding much if anything at all. The max. PCIe slot power is saw was up to 82.5 watts with a max. of GPU power draw of 494 watts on the XOC. I don't know if I should RMA it when it is possible in other regions. 


That is board power draw. I'd probably wait till it dies and RMA it. With PCIe wattage like that I'd think its days are limited though.


I mean board draw. Sorry. PCIe average under 100% full load is 75-78 I would say with some spikes to the 80's. I am worried about my other componets. I have nothing cheap in my PC but still. 


I meant to say that that is good board power draw. It's the PCIe power that is worrisome. 


I know. But what should I do? Not using my $2700 card (yes, this was the price at the EVGA store on release day in the EU) that I bought? Or using it only on 100% power traget, to limit the PCIe slot power draw (this means I am not able to use features I paid for). God knows when the EU can use the RMA program. What if other componets are going to be damaged because of that? I already only use the stock BIOS to not draw even more power through the PCIe slot.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 12:01:05 (permalink)
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So what is the consensus on the new cards? Is it worth it to do a replacement?


Wondering the same thing.  My card's pcie slot goes up to 80w but the card maxes out around 485w with relatively even draw across all of the pins.  This is in Port Royal with just the power slider maxed in AB, but no overclock.  I'm not thrilled with the pcie slot but otherwise the card seems decent.




I am on the same boat. My card can score about 14700 in PR on the stock OC BIOS. The XOC is not adding much if anything at all. The max. PCIe slot power is saw was up to 82.5 watts with a max. of GPU power draw of 494 watts on the XOC. I don't know if I should RMA it when it is possible in other regions. 


This is very good results, my card does only 14000 OC bios... 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 12:01:53 (permalink)
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So what is the consensus on the new cards? Is it worth it to do a replacement?


Wondering the same thing.  My card's pcie slot goes up to 80w but the card maxes out around 485w with relatively even draw across all of the pins.  This is in Port Royal with just the power slider maxed in AB, but no overclock.  I'm not thrilled with the pcie slot but otherwise the card seems decent.




I am on the same boat. My card can score about 14700 in PR on the stock OC BIOS. The XOC is not adding much if anything at all. The max. PCIe slot power is saw was up to 82.5 watts with a max. of GPU power draw of 494 watts on the XOC. I don't know if I should RMA it when it is possible in other regions. 


This is very good results, my card does only 14000 OC bios... 


I know it is good. But the PCIe slot power draw is still high.


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 12:04:32 (permalink)
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So what is the consensus on the new cards? Is it worth it to do a replacement?


Wondering the same thing.  My card's pcie slot goes up to 80w but the card maxes out around 485w with relatively even draw across all of the pins.  This is in Port Royal with just the power slider maxed in AB, but no overclock.  I'm not thrilled with the pcie slot but otherwise the card seems decent.




I am on the same boat. My card can score about 14700 in PR on the stock OC BIOS. The XOC is not adding much if anything at all. The max. PCIe slot power is saw was up to 82.5 watts with a max. of GPU power draw of 494 watts on the XOC. I don't know if I should RMA it when it is possible in other regions. 


This is very good results, my card does only 14000 OC bios... 


I know it is good. But the PCIe slot power draw is still high.




how much core and memory clocks? 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 12:05:33 (permalink)
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So what is the consensus on the new cards? Is it worth it to do a replacement?


Wondering the same thing.  My card's pcie slot goes up to 80w but the card maxes out around 485w with relatively even draw across all of the pins.  This is in Port Royal with just the power slider maxed in AB, but no overclock.  I'm not thrilled with the pcie slot but otherwise the card seems decent.




I am on the same boat. My card can score about 14700 in PR on the stock OC BIOS. The XOC is not adding much if anything at all. The max. PCIe slot power is saw was up to 82.5 watts with a max. of GPU power draw of 494 watts on the XOC. I don't know if I should RMA it when it is possible in other regions. 


That is board power draw. I'd probably wait till it dies and RMA it. With PCIe wattage like that I'd think its days are limited though.


I mean board draw. Sorry. PCIe average under 100% full load is 75-78 I would say with some spikes to the 80's. I am worried about my other componets. I have nothing cheap in my PC but still. 


I meant to say that that is good board power draw. It's the PCIe power that is worrisome. 


I know. But what should I do? Not using my $2700 card (yes, this was the price at the EVGA store on release day in the EU) that I bought? Or using it only on 100% power traget, to limit the PCIe slot power draw (this means I am not able to use features I paid for). God knows when the EU can use the RMA program. What if other componets are going to be damaged because of that? I already only use the stock BIOS to not draw even more power through the PCIe slot.


The safe bet would be to wait till they offer the program over there and ship it in for replacement. There's a chance that the replacement will not hit the same power limits as yours does now but it should be safer. I sent mine in on Monday but I was only hitting 430watts max.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 12:14:00 (permalink)
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So what is the consensus on the new cards? Is it worth it to do a replacement?


Wondering the same thing.  My card's pcie slot goes up to 80w but the card maxes out around 485w with relatively even draw across all of the pins.  This is in Port Royal with just the power slider maxed in AB, but no overclock.  I'm not thrilled with the pcie slot but otherwise the card seems decent.




I am on the same boat. My card can score about 14700 in PR on the stock OC BIOS. The XOC is not adding much if anything at all. The max. PCIe slot power is saw was up to 82.5 watts with a max. of GPU power draw of 494 watts on the XOC. I don't know if I should RMA it when it is possible in other regions. 


This is very good results, my card does only 14000 OC bios... 


I know it is good. But the PCIe slot power draw is still high.




how much core and memory clocks? 


For PR I can use 180 on the core and for memory I used 1000. For gaming I use 135 on the core and 400 on the memory. Don't want to push it to far for gaming at this situation. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 12:27:58 (permalink)
What is going on with the 8 pin #3 on these new replacement cards. Why such a large delta between it and 8pins 1&2?

Do Asus or other brands exhibit this same behavior with 3x 8pin configurations?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 12:29:03 (permalink)
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What is going on with the 8 pin #3 on these new replacement cards. Why such a large delta between it and 8pins 1&2?

Do Asus or other brands exhibit this same behavior with 3x 8pin configurations?

May be just a rumor but I heard that these cards were initially configured to be a 2x8pin 1x6pin card. But I have no proof.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 12:48:09 (permalink)
This is 1st batch card with XOC BIOS during gaming. Power slider to 110%
 
Power cannot go over 450Watt, and jesus look at that PCI-E power draw.
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 13:44:00 (permalink)
Has anyone here tried loading the kp 520 vbios and just dropping the power limit to 500 on the slider to half the wattage? Just curious!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 14:07:54 (permalink)
Hi
Well, I would like to share with you my experience with Evga's after sales service.
I have requested the return of my graphics card which suffers like yours from the PCI express16x voltage problem and voltage balancing.
I live in France (Europe) and my return was accepted by Evga very quickly (one week for me)
I am surprised and very satisfied with the service and the speed.
Thank you Evga.
Now I'm waiting for the mail for the return shipping details.
Once I get the new card (functional I hope this time ;) ), I will give you the details on it
Good luck 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 14:15:35 (permalink)
I wrote about this earlier today but others are still asking. From what I can tell, the pcie power draw is not what the RMA is for and neither is the "power balancing". Really it's the total power draw. So if you are able to get close to 500w, I would just call it a day. Mine had similar results to others posting, with pin 3 power draw way lower and pcie power draw around 80w but this is what EVGA told me: 
 
"There is technically nothing wrong with your graphics card. Please bear in mind that the readings you are seeing are all software based and are never completely accurate. There will always be a margin of error and there should not be any concerns. The RMA service in questions is for those that wish to push their graphics cards power draw to the max for overclocking. "

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 14:38:10 (permalink)
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Hi
Well, I would like to share with you my experience with Evga's after sales service.
I have requested the return of my graphics card which suffers like yours from the PCI express16x voltage problem and voltage balancing.
I live in France (Europe) and my return was accepted by Evga very quickly (one week for me)
I am surprised and very satisfied with the service and the speed.
Thank you Evga.
Now I'm waiting for the mail for the return shipping details.
Once I get the new card (functional I hope this time ;) ), I will give you the details on it
Good luck 


Hi, i have question to you, first you must return card to germany? Or you wait right now when new card is arrived and return old card?
How its look because i too must make rma
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 14:43:27 (permalink)
I am still waiting for the details of the return procedure by email.
So I can't answer you officially for the moment.
But logically I think I have to send my card to Germany, and once they receive it, they will proceed to the exchange normally
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 14:48:30 (permalink)
Dasoa
I am still waiting for the details of the return procedure by email.
So I can't answer you officially for the moment.
But logically I think I have to send my card to Germany, and once they receive it, they will proceed to the exchange normally


Is this RMA through the 3090oc@evga.com RMA program or just a normal one?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 14:50:31 (permalink)
3090oc@evga.com 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 17:15:13 (permalink)
Im getting about 482 watts 115.6 TDP while playing quake 2 rtx like others in here@ 2560x1440... so the bios has definitely boosted my power draw, was getting about 438watts and 110 tdp max before on oc stock bios.. so im not concerned, but always following this thread... 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 17:54:51 (permalink)
Question to those that have received a replacement card from the program.
 
Is the part number 24G-P5-3982-B2 or is it 24G-P5-3987-KR? Originally when I started the RMA it said product out 24G-P5-3982-B2. Now that my replacement has shipped it says product out 24G-P5-3987-KR.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/03/26 18:34:32 (permalink)
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Im getting about 482 watts 115.6 TDP while playing quake 2 rtx like others in here@ 2560x1440... so the bios has definitely boosted my power draw, was getting about 438watts and 110 tdp max before on oc stock bios.. so im not concerned, but always following this thread... 

What is your PCIe slot power draw?
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