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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 14:58:33 (permalink)
ok thanks for advise ...
Could you link me the 1000W bios please ?
Want to try it on aircooling with 50% - 52,5% limit.
I will be very careful about temp evolution....
My card is installed in gpu extension slot, It help just a little with heat lol.
I though to pass all my config in EK mode, but so much money invest already (5950X/X570 Xtrem....). Will do it as soon i can :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 15:09:36 (permalink)
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 I dont see any problem in ur card :)
 
Just look at youtube review and you will find many rtx-3090 score 12 750 in port royal !
 
So thinking the ftw3 under performing is far from the true unless you have a card with a real problem.
Some buy a strix rtx-3090 and cant hit 14k in port royal but i also saw some score 15k.
 
So over 14k in port royal and up its a silicon lotery, 15k coz you won the jackpot.
But like i said in a previous post even some dude score 15k its barely noticeable once in game at 4k coz fps will always goes up and down and 14.3k vs 15k its about 1.5 fps in 4k gaming if its not less !
 
And for 15.6k to 16k you need mod your card and void the warranty for 1k in benchmark ? is this worth it ?
Me i dont think i dont do benchmark contest and anyway you will always find someone who will beat you.
Kingpin itself broke or killed many cards do be in top 5. That's mean even with the kingpin card, just a limited amount of card will peform better then the others.




Ok thanks realy for this sum up of true things.
I'll really see if i flash the 1000W but that's you said sound like the true voice.
Coming from a 6800XT, I was getting sometimes better than 3090 with 300W. The raytracing and dlss + 24GB + custom OC makes me to buy the 3090.
I'm really happy with this card. But for what i want to do (play 4K rendering at 200% or 8k native) i need clearly the 4090... LOL
 
I'll not consider to SLI it, since SLI is **** and the price is high and i'm not rich.
But a ****ing 4090 in end 2022 watercooled, why not ... :)
 
 
Someone have any news about Resize BAR support for EVGA bios ?
My MB is already Rezise BAR on, and NVIDIA drivers is coming with it.
I hope they update release the XOC 500W bios with it, and not in 1month after :p
After testing the BAR on 6800XT, It was really good, I could get until +25/30% on max game compatible while some could get +3% only and even lost -1 lol.
A nice feature to have, combined to the 24G GDDR6X better than the radeon, it could be better ...
post edited by eXp67 - 2021/01/14 15:12:33
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 15:40:17 (permalink)
After a few days thus far of testing with my what looks like new in box replacement with a 2012 serial,   I've found it to be less of an overclocker,  is capable of hitting the 500 watts  but hits 85.3 watts PCI-e Slot power!!!! 


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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 17:07:04 (permalink)
@eXp67 turn off the RGB from your card and you hit with some overclock (+175 core and +450mem) and 100% fans the 14k for sure. My best with that was 14,180. Normal oc bios 107%. It can go higher but i never touched the voltage slider or open the window for cold air and some background Programms are always on too. Im happy with the card and thats it. There is a bios update on the way for sure because of the new features nvidia advertised, we will see.

Edit and i would never use this high wattage bios...the xoc bios is ok but not this fry your GPU 1000 Watt bios.
post edited by Tobi123 - 2021/01/14 17:23:04
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 17:11:35 (permalink)
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eXp67 I dont see any problem in ur card :)
 
Just look at youtube review and you will find many rtx-3090 score 12 750 in port royal !
 
So thinking the ftw3 under performing is far from the true unless you have a card with a real problem.
Some buy a strix rtx-3090 and cant hit 14k in port royal but i also saw some score 15k.
 
So over 14k in port royal and up its a silicon lotery, 15k coz you won the jackpot.
But like i said in a previous post even some dude score 15k its barely noticeable once in game at 4k coz fps will always goes up and down and 14.3k vs 15k its about 1.5 fps in 4k gaming if its not less !
 
And for 15.6k to 16k you need mod your card and void the warranty for 1k in benchmark ? is this worth it ?
Me i dont think i dont do benchmark contest and anyway you will always find someone who will beat you.
Kingpin itself broke or killed many cards do be in top 5. That's mean even with the kingpin card, just a limited amount of card will peform better then the others.




 
For me, it has become pretty clear that many here are strictly in it for the status of saying they got a great "FILL IN THE BENCHMAK" score.  Real world testing in games yields at most 10fps (or 5%) delta in most games, and that's nothing when you are talking numbers in the 200fps area.
 
I'm with you, I enjoy the card for what I do with it; gaming.  Sure the benching is fun, but what does it get you in the end?  Notoriety to people who have no clue who you are or really don't give a rats ass?  The only one that holds a candle in that argument is the number one guy, which I'm sure he gets many perks for that.  I doubt any of us figured we would be number one buying a FTW3 card, nor do I think even .01% of us use LN2 to achieve such benchmarks.  Bottom line, it's pointless to worry yourself into a tizz and a RMA for something that is working to advertised specs (memory and core clock advertisements).

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 17:16:54 (permalink)
 
Hello, I flashed the XOC 500 bios and got 500w max and 78w on PCIe slot with 119% power slide on afterburner. I guess my card is ok? 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 17:28:05 (permalink)
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Hello, I flashed the XOC 500 bios and got 500w max and 78w on PCIe slot with 119% power slide on afterburner. I guess my card is ok? 
 


One of the lucky, you are. Yes.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 17:48:36 (permalink)
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Hello, I flashed the XOC 500 bios and got 500w max and 78w on PCIe slot with 119% power slide on afterburner. I guess my card is ok? 
 


One of the lucky, you are. Yes.

Mine did that when I first bought it. Even posted it on here. Then it stopped and limited itself to 450w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 17:53:48 (permalink)
Sorry to hear. I have been testing the card for a few days and pretty consistent. Hopefully it will stay as it is.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 19:01:00 (permalink)
Posting this here as I have been following this thread and there have been a lot of comments about cards dieing. I wasnt even running the XOC bios this time.
 
beyond frustrated with EVGA right now. I've now had 2 3090 ftw3 hyrbrids fail on me. Both did the exact same thing. This time I was playing GTA5 for about 5 minutes and the card decided to black screen, fans 100%, followed by a no post. Red light by the pcie connector.  I've been watching these forums and this seems to be a common problem. I've literally owned hundreds of graphics cards(I have a problem) and I have never had so many issues. I have 6 pages of registered cards with EVGA. Maybe I'm just super unlucky .. PRoboably... I know for sure I'm super frustrated.  AFter spending 60 dollars for saturday shipping the last time... lets hope they comp the shipping for me this time. I know I know.. first world problems... but still. UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
FYI: Each card has lasted a little less than a month. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 20:24:53 (permalink)
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Posting this here as I have been following this thread and there have been a lot of comments about cards dieing. I wasnt even running the XOC bios this time.
 
beyond frustrated with EVGA right now. I've now had 2 3090 ftw3 hyrbrids fail on me. Both did the exact same thing. This time I was playing GTA5 for about 5 minutes and the card decided to black screen, fans 100%, followed by a no post. Red light by the pcie connector.  I've been watching these forums and this seems to be a common problem. I've literally owned hundreds of graphics cards(I have a problem) and I have never had so many issues. I have 6 pages of registered cards with EVGA. Maybe I'm just super unlucky .. PRoboably... I know for sure I'm super frustrated.  AFter spending 60 dollars for saturday shipping the last time... lets hope they comp the shipping for me this time. I know I know.. first world problems... but still. UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FYI: Each card has lasted a little less than a month. 


I give up playing GTA V on my 3090 FTW3 Ultra. If you insist on playing GTA V with 3090, you need to underclock it, approximately -100MHz at least for mine. Something should be wrong with the game, NV driver or vbios I guess, it cause partial overheat and burn gpu randomly during the game if clock is higher than 2GHz.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 20:55:14 (permalink)
Probably it's just coincidence... but a lot of cards died while playing GTA5. Mine was one of them. I'm not playing that game anymore and the new replacement is doing 450w peaking 460w just right out of the box (stock)... while the defective one barely was able to hit 390w peaking 400w MAX... Great performance. I love this card. Customer service is just the best.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 23:11:34 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/14 23:29:26 (permalink)
I would expect that coming from Jacob and not a random agent in Germany...but good.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 00:47:02 (permalink)
Ok so a bios release from EVGA is on the way to fix the pci-e power power ?
Someone getting this beta bios somewhere ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 02:30:53 (permalink)
so guys i want to try xc3 bios on my 3090 ftw3 hybrid... i have few questions: 1) it will void warranty same as kingpin bios? 2) fans and rgb will work properly? 3) it bugs out gpu power draw only or also pcie? thanks
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 03:19:37 (permalink)
This is from an official eVGA person on another forum in response to is this BIOS still being worked on:
 

Good morning 
The new bios should actually help to fix this problem, which is why it was already released in beta. Unfortunately there is still a problem, which is why feedback has been collected over the past few weeks via the international EVGA forum. So it's the programmers' turn and we assume that we will be able to release a new version shortly that will hopefully eliminate these problems for good.

 
Someone linked it earlier, but I thought I'd post the english translation.
 
So hopefully, soon, they'll at least update the Beta BIOS with a newer version, that will hopefully fix some of these power problems so that I don't have to RMA this card, since it's still pegging Power Limit at as little as 420W of power draw at times.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 03:23:11 (permalink)
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so guys i want to try xc3 bios on my 3090 ftw3 hybrid... i have few questions: 1) it will void warranty same as kingpin bios? 2) fans and rgb will work properly? 3) it bugs out gpu power draw only or also pcie? thanks



I never test it again, but i'll do it tonight :)
All this question has been answered many times (i read them lol)
 
1) Go to XC3 doesn't break the warranty, not same like the 1000W unlocked.
2) @arestavo give his feedback / It will not break your RGB/FAN if you delete X1 precision which will force update firmware to XC3 and will lost RGB/FAN control.
> So you have to delete X1 precision before flash and not using it after, but alternative like MSI AfterBurner per example.
3) Apprently, XC3 bios lock correctly the PCI-E delivery to 66W/75W max, letting the full power of the 8pin to be archieved. In this way, you can go under 500W. Easy ?
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 03:24:15 (permalink)
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so guys i want to try xc3 bios on my 3090 ftw3 hybrid... i have few questions: 1) it will void warranty same as kingpin bios? 2) fans and rgb will work properly? 3) it bugs out gpu power draw only or also pcie? thanks



I never test it again, but i'll do it tonight :)
All this question has been answered many times (i read them lol)
 
1) Go to XC3 doesn't break the warranty, not same like the 1000W unlocked.
2) @ give a tuto / It will not break your RGB/FAN if you delete X1 precision which will force update firmware to XC3 and will lost RGB/FAN control.
> So you have to delete X1 precision before flash and not using it after, but alternative like MSI AfterBurner per example.
3) Apprently, XC3 bios lock correctly the PCI-E delivery to 66W/75W max, letting the full power of the 8pin to be archieved. In this way, you can go under 500W. Easy ?
 


i am flashing thanks mate :P
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 03:28:28 (permalink)
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This is from an official eVGA person on another forum in response to is this BIOS still being worked on:
 

Good morning 
The new bios should actually help to fix this problem, which is why it was already released in beta. Unfortunately there is still a problem, which is why feedback has been collected over the past few weeks via the international EVGA forum. So it's the programmers' turn and we assume that we will be able to release a new version shortly that will hopefully eliminate these problems for good.

 
Someone linked it earlier, but I thought I'd post the english translation.
 
So hopefully, soon, they'll at least update the Beta BIOS with a newer version, that will hopefully fix some of these power problems so that I don't have to RMA this card, since it's still pegging Power Limit at as little as 420W of power draw at times.




Thanks a good news ... I've done the good choice for buying a EVGA so :)
Waiting this new beta :) Hope they will add into directly the Resize BAR support :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 03:37:15 (permalink)
Resizable BAR support is NVidia-driver based, so eVGA has nothing to do with it directly, and it requires a Z490 or Z590 (releasing soon) motherboard with a 10th or 11th gen Intel CPU, or an applicable AMD CPU (not sure which ones it supports) to work.  Much like AMD's requires certain mostly newer CPUs with newer chipset-motherboards to work.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 03:54:27 (permalink)
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Resizable BAR support is NVidia-driver based, so eVGA has nothing to do with it directly, and it requires a Z490 or Z590 (releasing soon) motherboard with a 10th or 11th gen Intel CPU, or an applicable AMD CPU (not sure which ones it supports) to work.  Much like AMD's requires certain mostly newer CPUs with newer chipset-motherboards to work.





Are you sure Resize BAR doesn't need support in BIOS ? I'm pretty sure at 100% than yes...
I have a X570 with Ryzen 5950X, so bar BAR support.
For AMD, only ryzen 3000/5000 could support BAR with improvement. There is a specifique hardware in CPU which use the BAR i don't remeber the mecanism.
 
If i activate the BAR support in motherboard with the 3090 EVGA XOC bios, My bios hangs a lot ...
MSI sorted a beta bios to have a the resize BAR support ...
 
So, BAR is only for last 2 generation of AMD/INTEL CPU, even if they port to older model, BAR will not improve any performance...
It need to have support end to end : Motherboard / CPU / GPU / Drivers.
 
For me, only missing GPU + Drivers :)
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 06:53:27 (permalink)
flashed XC3 bios on my 3090 ftw3 hybrid and now things are exactly as they are supposed to be! now gpu can pull all the power it needs, max power draw on pcie i see is 66w and frequencies stay rock solid while benchmarking.... hellyeah!!! 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 06:59:15 (permalink)
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flashed XC3 bios on my 3090 ftw3 hybrid and now things are exactly as they are supposed to be! now gpu can pull all the power it needs, max power draw on pcie i see is 66w and frequencies stay rock solid while benchmarking.... hellyeah!!! 




Can you please link the bios you've used? Thanks.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 08:35:53 (permalink)
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flashed XC3 bios on my 3090 ftw3 hybrid and now things are exactly as they are supposed to be! now gpu can pull all the power it needs, max power draw on pcie i see is 66w and frequencies stay rock solid while benchmarking.... hellyeah!!! 




Can you please link the bios you've used? Thanks.




https :// forums.evga.com/EVGA-GeForce-RTX-3090-FTW3-XOC-BIOS-BETA-m3124192-p108.aspx
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 10:07:15 (permalink)
I just installed XC3 bios on my FTW3 Ultra.
Freq are really unstable compared to XOC. Benchmark are really lower than with XOC.
In benchmark the freq jump from 1000 to 2200 continusly. What could be the problem ?
Does it possible to lock the boost clock in AB like PX1 ? I didn't see that possibility.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 10:31:01 (permalink)
Check the screenshot bellow, the freq are totaly instable balacing from 11XXmhz to 1900mhz in furmark benchmark.
Power TDP from 60% to 100% ...
Perf cap reason : Pwr all the time
 
I have do something wrong ? Don't understand.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 10:38:41 (permalink)
My understanding is you aren't supposed to use X1 when flashing non-stock bios as it may try to flash the firmware of the card and cause issues.  I'm not an expert here as I haven't done that.  Maybe someone else has an idea.
To boost lock in Afterburner you go to the curve editor, select the point you want to 'lock' and press 'L'. 

 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 11:44:07 (permalink)
I followed the easy instruction.
1) Turn off all OC profiles and disable PX1
2) Flash the XC3 bios
3) Reboot twice and use AB.
 
The freq seems to get higher, but it's really instable. Going from TDP 60% to 100% in continue. There is clearly a problem.
I tryed all, no way to have it working property ...
 
The perfcap power reason saying always : Pwr
 
Users report not having Pwr issue with XC3. Something is wrong i don't understand.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2021/01/15 12:18:01 (permalink)
Yes - because someone in a German forum posted that they're doing the exact same thing that EVGA's Jacob said (around) 4 months ago, that means it will be fixed!

Just like we thought 4 months ago when Jacob said it, right here! And not a peep from him since.

Yeah, you keep believing. I'll be a realist on this one.
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