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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 11:29:39
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Are you guys still at 450w nominal max power limit with the new bios (gpu-z read)? Any noticeable changes in power draw?
i just checked techpower up bios database and apparently this bios was submitted there in december 2020 so its NOT new....anyway everything seems like it was before. 450W max draw, idle around 100W. max fan speed 40%... I have converted HYBRID with hybrid bios
wonder if @EVGA_Jacbob can comment on this. I was expecting new bios and not 3months old.
If on HYBRID BIOS use this update, seems error in Precision that it does not detect if HYBRID BIOS was installed. https://cdn.evga.com/bios/30Series/3898_OC_450W.zip
JACOB! You legend! This fixed my mobo issue not enabling. It was cus of the hybrid bios for some reason px1 must have given me wrong bios?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 12:33:29
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 12:41:47
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https://cdn.evga.com/bios/30Series/3898_Normal_450W.zip
This may or may not be the 3080 FTW3 Hybrid 450w, normal switch/fans, Re-Bar bios. Dated 3/23/21.
Kevinc313,
We need more people like you in the world, thank u works perfect...
Hah thanks, I'm just looking for people to guinea pig them, until I get home from work and can mess with it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 12:48:20
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Has Anyone grabbed the XOC Re-Bar vBios for the 3080 FTW3 Ultra Yet? If so, anyway you can post it? My system is highly allergic to Precision (lol), and would rather flash myself, but I haven't found the vBIOS anywhere yet. I understand making the process easy for people, so I applaud this move, I just wish the vBIOS was also posted for those of us who are comfortable flashing it ourselves, and who prefer to not have run another Utility on the PC (I prefer Afterburner, and every single time I have taken a chance on Precision it has let me down in comparison.)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 12:58:13
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Has Anyone grabbed the XOC Re-Bar vBios for the 3080 FTW3 Ultra Yet? If so, anyway you can post it? My system is highly allergic to Precision (lol), and would rather flash myself, but I haven't found the vBIOS anywhere yet. I understand making the process easy for people, so I applaud this move, I just wish the vBIOS was also posted for those of us who are comfortable flashing it ourselves, and who prefer to not have run another Utility on the PC (I prefer Afterburner, and every single time I have taken a chance on Precision it has let me down in comparison.)
I think the links I posted have NVFlash (or other flashing executable) + Bios without X1? But I don't know for sure. I think you can flash it, take a copy, then just flash back to what you had.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 13:08:50
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Thank You. I did download the one you posted, and I appreciate it. It is exactly as you explained. I do not know the difference between the Hybrid and the Normal FTW3 Ultra vBios', I am sure there is some behavioral differences, so I was hoping to get the one for the FTW3 Ultra Air Cooled card. I have an Optimus Waterblock on mine, so maybe the Hybrid vBios would be beneficial if there is any Clock differences with the Hybrid vBIOS, but I assumed there was probably some kind of Fan Behavior difference or something (Which if thats all it is, would be fine because I don't have any fans hooked up to the card, but just in case was looking for basically exactly what you posted, but for the 3897 (FTW3 Ultra 3080 Air Cooled) card, or even just the ROM itself.
That said, Its possible I may have found it by searching the unverified vBios' on Tech Powerup. Figured I would try flashing in a bit, and see what happens. Would definitely prefer an official post from Jacob or one of you guys, but hey, you only live once right?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 13:15:17
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Thank You. I did download the one you posted, and I appreciate it. It is exactly as you explained. I do not know the difference between the Hybrid and the Normal FTW3 Ultra vBios', I am sure there is some behavioral differences, so I was hoping to get the one for the FTW3 Ultra Air Cooled card. I have an Optimus Waterblock on mine, so maybe the Hybrid vBios would be beneficial if there is any Clock differences with the Hybrid vBIOS, but I assumed there was probably some kind of Fan Behavior difference or something (Which if thats all it is, would be fine because I don't have any fans hooked up to the card, but just in case was looking for basically exactly what you posted, but for the 3897 (FTW3 Ultra 3080 Air Cooled) card, or even just the ROM itself.
That said, Its possible I may have found it by searching the unverified vBios' on Tech Powerup. Figured I would try flashing in a bit, and see what happens. Would definitely prefer an official post from Jacob or one of you guys, but hey, you only live once right?
Sounds good. Here's the 3897 versions: https://cdn.evga.com/bios/30Series/3897_Normal_450W.ziphttps://cdn.evga.com/bios.0Series/3897_OC_450W.zip
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 13:18:26
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Sounds good. Here's the 3897 versions:
You are awesome man! Thank You!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 13:20:15
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 13:54:13
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So with these new Resizeable Bar VBIOS, if we currently have the 450Watt XOC BIOS for the EVGA RTX 3080FTW3 Ultra already installed, will PrecisionX1 update your GPU to the newest version of the XOC BIOS with ReBar? Or do we still need to wait for them to release a separate update in order to get an updated version of the 450Watt XOC VBIOS for the FTW3 Ultra that includes ReBar support? Thanks in advance.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 14:06:55
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So with these new Resizeable Bar VBIOS, if we currently have the 450Watt XOC BIOS for the EVGA RTX 3080FTW3 Ultra already installed, will PrecisionX1 update your GPU to the newest version of the XOC BIOS with ReBar? Or do we still need to wait for them to release a separate update in order to get an updated version of the 450Watt XOC VBIOS for the FTW3 Ultra that includes ReBar support? Thanks in advance.
According to Jacob when responding to a question on Twitter, If you have the 450w vBIOS installed, Precision will flash the new Re-Bar Support vBIOS, with the 450w Power Limit intact. I haven't tried it myself, but that is what he has said a few times now, so I don't doubt that its true. For those of you who are like me and prefer not to install Precision on their system, @kevinc313 Posted The FTW3 Ultra 3080 w/ Re-BAR Support & 450w vBIOS Links, direct from EVGA's Website, a few posts up. I just flashed, and so far its working perfectly.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 14:14:40
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So with these new Resizeable Bar VBIOS, if we currently have the 450Watt XOC BIOS for the EVGA RTX 3080FTW3 Ultra already installed, will PrecisionX1 update your GPU to the newest version of the XOC BIOS with ReBar? Or do we still need to wait for them to release a separate update in order to get an updated version of the 450Watt XOC VBIOS for the FTW3 Ultra that includes ReBar support? Thanks in advance.
According to Jacob when responding to a question on Twitter, If you have the 450w vBIOS installed, Precision will flash the new Re-Bar Support vBIOS, with the 450w Power Limit intact. I haven't tried it myself, but that is what he has said a few times now, so I don't doubt that its true.
For those of you who are like me and prefer not to install Precision on their system, @kevinc313 Posted The FTW3 Ultra 3080 w/ Re-BAR Support & 450w vBIOS Links, direct from EVGA's Website, a few posts up. I just flashed, and so far its working perfectly.
Great! Thanks for your help. I'll try flashing the one @kevinc313 posted above.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 14:54:38
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I had the 320w Galaxy bios on my ftw3 ultra, I was just testing it for the re sizable bar support, and then saw this new 450w bios, I've not noticed much difference in games tbh, with bar support enabled I was getting slightly less fps, don't know why. If I disable bar support in bios this 450w bios seems the exact same as previous bios, I hit power limit no matter what at around 360w with this new 450w bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 15:05:27
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Which one did you flash? The one from Precision, or the one posted above?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 15:24:29
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Can't you just download precision, install bios, and uninstall precision??
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 15:53:15
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I had the 320w Galaxy bios on my ftw3 ultra, I was just testing it for the re sizable bar support, and then saw this new 450w bios, I've not noticed much difference in games tbh, with bar support enabled I was getting slightly less fps, don't know why. If I disable bar support in bios this 450w bios seems the exact same as previous bios, I hit power limit no matter what at around 360w with this new 450w bios.
I just did a bunch of testing on the Power Limit itself, and I see no difference in power draw between the XOC Bios released last year, and the one Posted today. I flashed the BIOS Manually from the post made by @KevinC313 earlier, and Re-BAR is definitely enabled, and I am getting the same Power Draw I was getting with the old XOC vBIOS. I rarely ever, even on the old "XOC" vBIOS, got to 450w as Measured in GPUz, but frequently get to 435w before bouncing off the Power Limit. (However, if you measure with an Actual Current Clamp, and assume that the PCIe Bus is drawing at least 55w During Load, then You will see that the Load does often hit 450w.) I have not tested the version installed with Precision, but the one posted above definitely gives you the 450w Power Draw Limit, and the Re-BAR Support. Jaz11
Can't you just download precision, install bios, and uninstall precision??
Its a tiny bit more involved than that, but yes, more or less I could. I'd rather not, and thankfully, because of this awesome community, I don't have to bother. Afterburner and Precision do not play well together, so its often best to completely uninstall Afterburner before Installing Precision. Of course you do not have to, you could just make sure Afterburner is not running, but I have run into all types of fun Driver corruption in the past do to those 2 both being installed (Forcing me to have to boot to safe mode, run DDU and then reboot and reinstall drivers), and I just didn't want to have to deal with it. I know Precision is finally starting to become a better tool, and I will give it another chance in the future, but I just am not ready to deal with it right now.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/30 18:22:25
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Thank You. I did download the one you posted, and I appreciate it. It is exactly as you explained. I do not know the difference between the Hybrid and the Normal FTW3 Ultra vBios', I am sure there is some behavioral differences, so I was hoping to get the one for the FTW3 Ultra Air Cooled card. I have an Optimus Waterblock on mine, so maybe the Hybrid vBios would be beneficial if there is any Clock differences with the Hybrid vBIOS, but I assumed there was probably some kind of Fan Behavior difference or something (Which if thats all it is, would be fine because I don't have any fans hooked up to the card, but just in case was looking for basically exactly what you posted, but for the 3897 (FTW3 Ultra 3080 Air Cooled) card, or even just the ROM itself.
That said, Its possible I may have found it by searching the unverified vBios' on Tech Powerup. Figured I would try flashing in a bit, and see what happens. Would definitely prefer an official post from Jacob or one of you guys, but hey, you only live once right?
Sounds good. Here's the 3897 versions:
https://cdn.evga.com/bios/30Series/3897_Normal_450W.zip
https://cdn.evga.com/bios.0Series/3897_OC_450W.zip
3080 FTW3 Ultra...I can confirm that both of these bios's cause Fan4 (ext) to not spin up with the other fans automatically. The only way to get Fan4 (ext) to spin up is to set a manual fan speed. That's a big bug. 118% Power is intact. This is the same if you take these updates from PX1. Your posted BIOS files are identical to what you get served from EVGA. I was able to confirm that.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/31 00:44:23
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I can hit 448w with this bios but it depends on what application is running, 4k Gow5 360w I hit power limit, Kombustor I hit 448w both are hitting power limit at different times,
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/31 08:34:21
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Sounds good. Here's the 3897 versions:
Hi, so they are the XOC (450W) BIOS with R-BAR for BIOS 1 (Normal) & BIOS 2 (OC=min FAN) ? Thanks! :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/31 08:44:30
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yes. They work perfectly with the 1 issue : Fan4 (ext) will not have any fan curve. It will only activate if manually set speed in PX1.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/03/31 08:55:36
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I can hit 448w with this bios but it depends on what application is running, 4k Gow5 360w I hit power limit, Kombustor I hit 448w both are hitting power limit at different times,
Yeah, I've always had variability with the actual power draw of my FTW3 Ultra even when it came to using the original 450watt VBIOS. It seems like there are some games that just won't leverage the potential extra power draw. It can be pretty strange sometimes though, AC:Valhalla will only pull the full 450watts on the GPU during the loading screen where you can basically run around in that void. In-game it generally pulls around 375watts. The game I have found to scale very well with power is The Division 2, it will usually pull between 430-450. And when it comes to the new ReBar VBIOS I definitely have seen some pretty nice performance increases in some games. I gained around 10FPS on average in AC:Valhalla @4K with most settings on Ultra and some on high. Saw around a 3-4% performance improvement in Horizon Zero Dawn's benchmark at 4K with maxed settings. Gonna check out Forza Horizon 4 today and see what kind of performance increase I get in that game. What I've seen so far lines up pretty well with the performance numbers that Nvidia presented in that article that came out with the announcement of the release of ReBar.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/01 05:00:40
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I can hit 448w with this bios but it depends on what application is running, 4k Gow5 360w I hit power limit, Kombustor I hit 448w both are hitting power limit at different times,
Yeah, I've always had variability with the actual power draw of my FTW3 Ultra even when it came to using the original 450watt VBIOS. It seems like there are some games that just won't leverage the potential extra power draw. It can be pretty strange sometimes though, AC:Valhalla will only pull the full 450watts on the GPU during the loading screen where you can basically run around in that void. In-game it generally pulls around 375watts. The game I have found to scale very well with power is The Division 2, it will usually pull between 430-450. And when it comes to the new ReBar VBIOS I definitely have seen some pretty nice performance increases in some games. I gained around 10FPS on average in AC:Valhalla @4K with most settings on Ultra and some on high. Saw around a 3-4% performance improvement in Horizon Zero Dawn's benchmark at 4K with maxed settings. Gonna check out Forza Horizon 4 today and see what kind of performance increase I get in that game. What I've seen so far lines up pretty well with the performance numbers that Nvidia presented in that article that came out with the announcement of the release of ReBar.
i tested on my 3080 ftw3 ultra hybrid. NonOC - rdr 9FPS EXTRA! on 2k ultra setting (ofc bloom and blur off) cpu is 3600 ryzen OC'ed. I have to try other games like Metro etc.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/01 05:44:11
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i tested on my 3080 ftw3 ultra hybrid. NonOC - rdr 9FPS EXTRA! on 2k ultra setting (ofc bloom and blur off) cpu is 3600 ryzen OC'ed. I have to try other games like Metro etc.
I wasn't able to get a valid test on RDR2 because my settings reset after the driver install. Went from about 72fps to 70fps in the bench, 4K, +90 +1000 max power. I guess there's a setting missed that's slowing things down. Does anyone know how to disable re-BAR, do you do it in the MB settings (without getting no display)?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
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i tested on my 3080 ftw3 ultra hybrid. NonOC - rdr 9FPS EXTRA! on 2k ultra setting (ofc bloom and blur off) cpu is 3600 ryzen OC'ed. I have to try other games like Metro etc.
I wasn't able to get a valid test on RDR2 because my settings reset after the driver install. Went from about 72fps to 70fps in the bench, 4K, +90 +1000 max power. I guess there's a setting missed that's slowing things down. Does anyone know how to disable re-BAR, do you do it in the MB settings (without getting no display)?
same here, I had to setup everything from scratch. regarding disabling rebar...well I think you have to disable it in bios, reboot and test. At least on my asus I am able to disable rebar only.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
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i tested on my 3080 ftw3 ultra hybrid. NonOC - rdr 9FPS EXTRA! on 2k ultra setting (ofc bloom and blur off) cpu is 3600 ryzen OC'ed. I have to try other games like Metro etc.
I wasn't able to get a valid test on RDR2 because my settings reset after the driver install. Went from about 72fps to 70fps in the bench, 4K, +90 +1000 max power. I guess there's a setting missed that's slowing things down. Does anyone know how to disable re-BAR, do you do it in the MB settings (without getting no display)?
same here, I had to setup everything from scratch.
regarding disabling rebar...well I think you have to disable it in bios, reboot and test. At least on my asus I am able to disable rebar only.
Just the re-bar off, leave the beyond-4G-whatever on?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
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i tested on my 3080 ftw3 ultra hybrid. NonOC - rdr 9FPS EXTRA! on 2k ultra setting (ofc bloom and blur off) cpu is 3600 ryzen OC'ed. I have to try other games like Metro etc.
I wasn't able to get a valid test on RDR2 because my settings reset after the driver install. Went from about 72fps to 70fps in the bench, 4K, +90 +1000 max power. I guess there's a setting missed that's slowing things down. Does anyone know how to disable re-BAR, do you do it in the MB settings (without getting no display)?
same here, I had to setup everything from scratch.
regarding disabling rebar...well I think you have to disable it in bios, reboot and test. At least on my asus I am able to disable rebar only.
Just the re-bar off, leave the beyond-4G-whatever on?
Asus told me that disabling rebar will turn off 4G decoding and enable CSM setup...i agreed. performed testing and when I rebooted back to bios, i enabled rebar. bios told me that 4G will be enabled and CSM disabled, hit "OK" and I am back. kind a clunky way how to do testing. But I am not planning to do it on daily basis :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/01 08:24:20
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Asus told me that disabling rebar will turn off 4G decoding and enable CSM setup...i agreed. performed testing and when I rebooted back to bios, i enabled rebar. bios told me that 4G will be enabled and CSM disabled, hit "OK" and I am back. kind a clunky way how to do testing. But I am not planning to do it on daily basis :)
Interesting, I'll have to see what it does on my MSI board. Already had a native UEFI W10 install/no CSM setting before this.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/02 18:14:21
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First post updated to resizable bar version and official release. This is the same update that you will get through Precision X1.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/03 11:04:15
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I have 3080FTW3 ULTRA ,
On normal switch have the stock bios.
On OC switch I have already updated to XOC 450w bios. (The pre BAR one).
A hybrid kit is on the way : )
1. If I want to have the BAR XOC normal switch / oc switch bioses, will I have just to run the executables of hybrid one files ?
Or I need to flash the original oc bios on oc switch put the hybrid kit and then flash the bar of hybrid ?
2. Is it possible to have on one switch a bios without bar and on the other switch a bios with bar?
3. Is it possible to have on normal switch the normal BAR version of hybrid (not XOC) and on oc switch the BAR version of XOC hybrid one ?
I know many queries , but waited too long for the kit and have been considering all these questions, not a better place to ask , too excited
@Evga_jacobF, good work ,really.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA
2021/04/03 14:49:37
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Okay so i just updated my early stock ftw3 to the xoc rebar bios and now my 0 fan curve in afterburner doesn't work anymore. It worked before on the stock oc bios. Any ideas?
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