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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 01:03:50
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I know...When Samsung updated my model line 4K with HDR for 50$ less than my current one without HDR...3 months later. The thing that never changes is products get updated. Sometimes even by realizing design short comings. Should all manufacturers refrain from improving existing models/model lines? I mean, what really is the complaint here? That EVGA is improving a design? When did that become a negative? Are they supposed to be limited to releasing a static model and never make changes based on feedback? Isn't that how it SHOULD work?
Polite way of telling people to get off their high horse lol. I also agree with you. So they improved a design, and all you people can do is say "I better get this thing upgraded for free or else...". There is technically nothing wrong with your current cooler. So why should EVGA do anything for you at all? Was there a short coming on how it should have been cooled? Many including my self will say yes. Does it do the job within design specifications though? Yes, it does. So what is the issue? You feel jaded because they brought out something new and improved mid product? Let me remind you about something. The moment you buy something computer related, it's outdated. Get over it.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 01:12:05
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Everything is optional. GG Evga. I'll avoid Evga. So, if there aren't any problem, why did they do these? There was definitely a problem or problems. I have lost my trust to Evga... A Lot...
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 01:58:12
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I know...When Samsung updated my model line 4K with HDR for 50$ less than my current one without HDR...3 months later. The thing that never changes is products get updated. Sometimes even by realizing design short comings. Should all manufacturers refrain from improving existing models/model lines? I mean, what really is the complaint here? That EVGA is improving a design? When did that become a negative? Are they supposed to be limited to releasing a static model and never make changes based on feedback? Isn't that how it SHOULD work?
Polite way of telling people to get off their high horse lol. I also agree with you. So they improved a design, and all you people can do is say "I better get this thing upgraded for free or else...". There is technically nothing wrong with your current cooler. So why should EVGA do anything for you at all? Was there a short coming on how it should have been cooled? Many including my self will say yes. Does it do the job within design specifications though? Yes, it does. So what is the issue? You feel jaded because they brought out something new and improved mid product? Let me remind you about something. The moment you buy something computer related, it's outdated. Get over it.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 02:02:07
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Everything is optional. GG Evga. I'll avoid Evga. So, if there aren't any problem, why did they do these? There was definitely a problem or problems. I have lost my trust to Evga... A Lot...
I had already accepted that they're the same as the rest in terms of not being honest, but this is well beyond that - it's pretty much spitting in their current customer's faces. I definitely will not be looking to EVGA first for my next upgrade (as I typically have in the past).
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 03:27:08
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ahaha is this a joke?? we bought normal FTWs and we got past the VRM issue and now in response they slap in our face theese upgraded FTW2 models with new coolers and new minor design improvements and i think they will be released at the same price of the normal FTW and maybe they will replace totally the FTW models... so no more FTWs models on sale but only FTW2 i think our cards will worth less now, if we try to sell it will be for a lower price because everyone will look for the FTW2 upgraded models next year: I got a 1070FTW for sale...... NOOB no thanks we only want FTW2 
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 05:00:12
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Everything is optional. GG Evga. I'll avoid Evga. So, if there aren't any problem, why did they do these? There was definitely a problem or problems. I have lost my trust to Evga... A Lot...
I had already accepted that they're the same as the rest in terms of not being honest, but this is well beyond that - it's pretty much spitting in their current customer's faces. I definitely will not be looking to EVGA first for my next upgrade (as I typically have in the past).
I would think that EVGA would and will likely offer a free Upgrade to those that are having problems with their 1080 FTW cards now, as they have done so here many times before. It would only be the 'right thing' to do'. As for some of the so-called Vets here that are being rude to the new people, the Vets here are also the same people that asked for Step-ups themselves sometimes without they themselves having any problems with their then Gpu's. With some of the Now Mods being rude to new customers, they should Not be representative of the EVGA company. I knew some Mods would go 'Overboard' with with their views as the New mods here are not represenative of EVGA but have earned Mod status for some of the Most helpful posts. Sajin is among the most helpful of people on this site. For All of you that feel that your RMA's should be reveresed, then everyone should call the EVGA number here in L.A, Ca. I don't live to far from them and am was almost able to drive up and pick up my GPU's lol. But Call the EVGA number and i would think they can help you. Because fact is a lot of people from EVGA feel that the 1080 FTW people should get a good GPU and 'most people' with bad cards are sometimes given the free option of Upgrading for free, and this is without the 1080 and some 1070 Gpu problems, but has been going on for years.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 05:04:12
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Poliacido
ahaha is this a joke??
we bought normal FTWs and we got past the VRM issue and now in response they slap in our face theese upgraded FTW2 models with new coolers and new minor design improvements
and i think they will be released at the same price of the normal FTW and maybe they will replace totally the FTW models... so no more FTWs models on sale but only FTW2
i think our cards will worth less now, if we try to sell it will be for a lower price because everyone will look for the FTW2 upgraded models
next year: I got a 1070FTW for sale...... NOOB no thanks we only want FTW2
Like i just said in my earlier post, either PM/email an Evga-tech here or call the Evga telephone number to get a hold of a real worker or Admin here or call the L.A number there.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 05:48:08
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Yep I had a feeling this would happen. Disgusting move from once I thought was a respectable and reputable company. There's no way they design that new cooler within 2 months. EVGA knew they messed up with the original acx 3.0 cooler months ago and they didn't have the balls to come up and say it. Only after it was found by the public, then they act as if they care. The resale value of original FTW will nosedive soon and I've already sold my 1070 ftw to a friend luckily for minimal loss. My first and last card with EVGA. Will never recommend this gutless company to my peers again. I've already have my MSI 1070 in shipment so to whoever from EVGA thinks this is the good way to treat your customers, you are totally wrong.
Respect your customers and not the money going in first. If thermal pads which is optional and the cooler itself are actually enough to rectify the issue, why did you come up with new cooler then shortly after you made the statement? That shows you have no confidence with you own words. I was really happy when I got my 1070 FTW as EVGA cards are rare in my country and most people know how reputable they are but now, no matter how respectable and legendary the customer service is, I'm done with EVGA.
So just a piece of advice to FTW owners, if you feel like you've been cheated, just sell your card and get another one from different company, just accept your loss and blacklist EVGA from your list. You will without doubt lose now, but at least you get to spread the words to others about not getting EVGA products
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 05:55:48
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I put an ACX3 cooler on a 1080 FE and was very happy with the results (no pads). If they offer the ICX cooler for sale I'll be first in line for it to try on the TitanXP.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 07:02:52
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" Game with Safety and Peace of Mind"
I am not sure they chose the best wording for this new design for the 1080 FTW. Kind of makes me feel like, if I want safety and peace of mind, I should sell my original 1080 FTW ( for a loss) and buy the newly designed FTW - because with my card as is I would not have safety and peace of mind.
I have been a very loyal customer of EVGA for many years, in both graphic cards and motherboards, and really this is the first time I can recall ever getting a bit of a bad taste over a product I purchased from them.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 07:27:29
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Spoke to evga they're basically telling me take the pads and be happy over the phone , with that said spoke to my bank if evga don't refund me or let us exchange I'll be doing a chargeback for my gpu enjoy evga
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 08:01:14
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Maybe the community could expect an ICX upgrade path offered by EVGA?
The cost of manufacture, admin and postage would be a fair charge for a DIY upgrade imo.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 08:40:43
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Waiting on my 1080 FTW RMA right now... not really happy to see a 'new product' that might be replacing my current FTW.
It looks shorter too. height wise, not length wise.
I don't really understand your complaint. As we all know all brands were expecting to release the 10xx GTX TI cards in then beginning of 2017. Same procedure as the 9xx GTX series- Everybody were absolutely happy about the TI cards. So now EVGA chose to release the GTX 2 cards instead of the TI. Funny thing is. If EVGA had named their new 10xx TI, no one had complained as it was expected to see the 1xxx GTX TI cards very soon.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 09:07:53
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So what's the ETA for release on these?
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 09:13:53
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To those people who back EVGA about this ICX being a new cooler with enhanced feature and not to make the original FTW being put at the corner, is there any Asus STRIX2? Is there any Gigabyte G1 Gaming 2 / Windforce OC 2? Is there any MSI Gaming X2 / Z2 / Quicksilver 2? Is there any Zotac AMP Extreme 2? Is there any Palit Super Jetstream 2 / Gamerock 2? Is there any KFA2 HOF2? The answer is no because their coolers are not flawed. Doesn't matter whether EVGA said the ACX 3.0 cooler is not flawed even without thermal pads or not, the moment something is out of the factory and the company realize they miss out on something only after the product hits the market, then it is a flawed product.
post edited by imricko99 - 2017/01/07 09:15:59
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 09:22:19
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Spoke to evga they're basically telling me take the pads and be happy over the phone , with that said spoke to my bank if evga don't refund me or let us exchange I'll be doing a chargeback for my gpu enjoy evga
Well.....good luck with that. But you know what? Your attempt to get a new card in that way, will never happen. And by the way, your bank has no legal right to make a chargeback (only if the card is broken or damaged caused by the thermal issue) . And EVGA has not told you to take the pads and be happy. Why? Because the pads are only optional. Your card is not broken in any way, it works just fine. So your dream about getting a new card or money back is no way near reality. Your post is hillarious and childish.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 09:27:08
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What we can see is the backplate pad seems to be standard, as the part without cut-outs matches the size of the pad.
I can see the name change, I can see the re-design, but I hope we will get an BIOS up-date for the modded ACX cards, if the iCX returns to a quieter fan profile than the new vBIOS.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 09:27:32
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I know...When Samsung updated my model line 4K with HDR for 50$ less than my current one without HDR...3 months later. The thing that never changes is products get updated. Sometimes even by realizing design short comings. Should all manufacturers refrain from improving existing models/model lines? I mean, what really is the complaint here? That EVGA is improving a design? When did that become a negative? Are they supposed to be limited to releasing a static model and never make changes based on feedback? Isn't that how it SHOULD work?
Polite way of telling people to get off their high horse lol. I also agree with you. So they improved a design, and all you people can do is say "I better get this thing upgraded for free or else...". There is technically nothing wrong with your current cooler. So why should EVGA do anything for you at all? Was there a short coming on how it should have been cooled? Many including my self will say yes. Does it do the job within design specifications though? Yes, it does. So what is the issue? You feel jaded because they brought out something new and improved mid product? Let me remind you about something. The moment you buy something computer related, it's outdated. Get over it.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 09:30:42
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To those people who back EVGA about this ICX being a new cooler with enhanced feature and not to make the original FTW being put at the corner, is there any Asus STRIX2? Is there any Gigabyte G1 Gaming 2 / Windforce OC 2? Is there any MSI Gaming X2 / Z2 / Quicksilver 2? Is there any Zotac AMP Extreme 2? Is there any Palit Super Jetstream 2 / Gamerock 2? Is there any KFA2 HOF2?
The answer is no because their coolers are not flawed. Doesn't matter whether EVGA said the ACX 3.0 cooler is not flawed even without thermal pads or not, the moment something is out of the factory and the company realize they miss out on something only after the product hits the market, then it is a flawed product.
Wrong! Will there be STRIX GTX TI? GIGABYTE G1 TI? Windforce OC2 TI? Quicksilver 2 TI? Zota AMP EXTREME TI?...and other brands TI? The ANSWER IS yes, BECAUSE IT IS EXPECTED! EVGA has chosen to name their new card "2". Nothing wrong with that. If EVGA named their new card TI, no one would have said anything. And we all know EVGA. They listened to the critics and made major impovement to the cooling feature and a new backplate. You should be happy that engineers make better hardware.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 09:47:00
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As a new customer to evga I understand that there are many things I don't understand about how things have been worked but when I see a spade I'll call it a spade. Reading up on Gamer Nexus' post about the ICX cooler design, Steve specifically states that everything is the exact same as ACX except for the cooling solution. He specifically notes that "the front of the card is nigh-identical to the front of the ACX cards, the LED placement and functionality is the same, the form factor is effectively the same. That’s not special. What’s changed is the cooling mechanisms. Major changes include EVGA’s fundamentally revamped focus of what devices are being cooled on the board." He goes on to say "From observation, we determined that EVGA’s ICX solution has aluminum (or nickel-plated copper) heatsinks protruding from the surface of the base plate, used to sink heat from the VRAM modules. VRAM isn’t the hottest component in the system, but this step will be more effective than just a thermal pad – a lot more effective, as the thermal conductivity of aluminum is around 200W/mK. Most GPU thermal pads are below 6W/mK, with several of EVGA’s ACX thermal pad mod kits landing closer to 1W/mK." and a slight new cooler fin design around the gpu or something like that. I understand all these posts that are telling us to get over it. That it is normal to see "upgraded" versions of a product. And I would agree if this was actually a different piece. If they upgraded the fans. I might agree. If they added more rbg elements, maybe. If they had changed anything else other then a single aspect of an existing model that had proven troublesome for their customers, I would agree. This is not that. This is clearly a direct response to a faulty cooling design that has plagued their 10 series ftws. I for one did not mind requesting a thermal mod and am not afraid to open up my card and install this. But now there could be another option and I think that evga could still profit off a step up program. I'm not asking for evga to hand out free cards but if we could step up to the "real" ftw or even step up to the "ICX" cooling solution by getting a backplate and new heatsink and installing it ourselves that would be really nice and I for one would continue to be a loyal customer. Cause right now I feel like a beta tester getting the short end of the stick and I know I'm not alone.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 09:59:18
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I think you are wrong there.. Sure it's good that EVGA can make a better cooler then their ACX 3.0, but its clearly done because the ACX gave them problems! And i think that's pretty lame to the buyers of the ACX cards. This iCX is what the ACX should have been. Proper thermalpad usage, memory has their own heatsinks, better ventilated backplate.. and then that ridiculous slogan, with that it isn't strange that users complain.. This strategy is wrong, they claim their ACX was good as it is, thermalpads were optional, fan profile was necessary. Then why design a new cooler for the same cards?! The value of the ACX cards vaporises now, after reading the iCX slogan you will think that you have to worry with your ACX.. It's seriously a strange strategy EVGA is using now. And don't come with arguments that if they used it on the Ti cards it would be okay, because they are using it on existing cards.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 10:19:19
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To those people who back EVGA about this ICX being a new cooler with enhanced feature and not to make the original FTW being put at the corner, is there any Asus STRIX2? Is there any Gigabyte G1 Gaming 2 / Windforce OC 2? Is there any MSI Gaming X2 / Z2 / Quicksilver 2? Is there any Zotac AMP Extreme 2? Is there any Palit Super Jetstream 2 / Gamerock 2? Is there any KFA2 HOF2?
The answer is no because their coolers are not flawed. Doesn't matter whether EVGA said the ACX 3.0 cooler is not flawed even without thermal pads or not, the moment something is out of the factory and the company realize they miss out on something only after the product hits the market, then it is a flawed product.
Wrong! Will there be STRIX GTX TI? GIGABYTE G1 TI? Windforce OC2 TI? Quicksilver 2 TI? Zota AMP EXTREME TI?...and other brands TI? The ANSWER IS yes, BECAUSE IT IS EXPECTED!
EVGA has chosen to name their new card "2". Nothing wrong with that. If EVGA named their new card TI, no one would have said anything. And we all know EVGA. They listened to the critics and made major impovement to the cooling feature and a new backplate. You should be happy that engineers make better hardware.
I don't think you understand what the "ti" designation means. I also think you are missing the fact that these new coolers are for a large segment of EVGA GPU's. At least 1060 to 1080. Coming out with a new GPU (the 'ti" is a different GPU) and coming out with an improved(some would say "fixed/repaired") design of cooler on the same card is a very different matter. "Ti" isn't a "naming scheme" it's a technical specification of the GPU. "FTW2" is a name for a new cooler only.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 10:56:39
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To those people who back EVGA about this ICX being a new cooler with enhanced feature and not to make the original FTW being put at the corner, is there any Asus STRIX2? Is there any Gigabyte G1 Gaming 2 / Windforce OC 2? Is there any MSI Gaming X2 / Z2 / Quicksilver 2? Is there any Zotac AMP Extreme 2? Is there any Palit Super Jetstream 2 / Gamerock 2? Is there any KFA2 HOF2?
The answer is no because their coolers are not flawed. Doesn't matter whether EVGA said the ACX 3.0 cooler is not flawed even without thermal pads or not, the moment something is out of the factory and the company realize they miss out on something only after the product hits the market, then it is a flawed product.
Wrong! Will there be STRIX GTX TI? GIGABYTE G1 TI? Windforce OC2 TI? Quicksilver 2 TI? Zota AMP EXTREME TI?...and other brands TI? The ANSWER IS yes, BECAUSE IT IS EXPECTED!
EVGA has chosen to name their new card "2". Nothing wrong with that. If EVGA named their new card TI, no one would have said anything. And we all know EVGA. They listened to the critics and made major impovement to the cooling feature and a new backplate. You should be happy that engineers make better hardware.
Will there be EVGA GTX 1080Ti FTW tho? I doubt so. They will release GTX 1080Ti FTW2 only. Why? Because the original FTW is flawed And you better read up on your card knowledge, because seems like you don't even know who came up with the Ti naming scheme.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 11:05:55
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Will there be EVGA GTX 1080Ti FTW tho? I doubt so. They will release GTX 1080Ti FTW2 only. Why? Because the original FTW is flawed
Or they would release a 1080Ti FTW2 only because it wouldn't make much sense to release a new card with an older version of their cooler? Even if the FTW ACX wasn't "flawed" with this whole thermal pad issue, coolers can still be improved, EVGA improved it, and so there would be no reason to release a newer card with an older version of the cooler when the new version of that cooler is already available. Has nothing to do with the old one being flawed. Unless your definition of "flawed" is "can be improved" in which case literally everything is flawed because there are always improvements to be made.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 11:09:05
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Wrong! Will there be STRIX GTX TI? GIGABYTE G1 TI? Windforce OC2 TI? Quicksilver 2 TI? Zota AMP EXTREME TI?...and other brands TI? The ANSWER IS yes, BECAUSE IT IS EXPECTED!
EVGA has chosen to name their new card "2". Nothing wrong with that. If EVGA named their new card TI, no one would have said anything. And we all know EVGA. They listened to the critics and made major impovement to the cooling feature and a new backplate. You should be happy that engineers make better hardware.
Wrong. Ti isn't a moniker exclusive to EVGA. The Ti acronym is attached by Nvidia indicating the type/model of card much like 1060/1070/1080. A 1070 Ti or 1080 Ti would be a different model. ASUS has the ROG Strix, Gigabyte has the G1, Zotac has the AMP! Extreme, MSI has the GAMING X, whilst EVGA Has the FTW. When it finally materializes, ALL vendors will use the Ti acronym on the Ti models, EVGA included. And I'm sure everyone is ecstatic about hardware updates. What most are upset about are the pretenses under which the new cooling solution is being released. No other vendor is updating cooling solution because they have no need to do so. This makes current EVGA 1070/1080 owners uneasy, particularly because many have been calling for such a remedy for a while, now. Read more, child.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 11:22:05
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Will there be EVGA GTX 1080Ti FTW tho? I doubt so. They will release GTX 1080Ti FTW2 only. Why? Because the original FTW is flawed
Will there even be an EVGA GTX 1080Ti? You are adding speculation on top of speculation on top of speculation. A 5 page thread of speculation. Is there any way to hide these types of threads from the forum list? I am over it. EVGATech_EddieH
Hello all,
We do appreciate the feedback regarding the products being shown at CES 2017. Please keep in mind that we currently have no details regarding these items and some are considered proof of concept. Regarding the iCX/FTW2, please stay tuned for further information coming in the near future which will be displayed here: http://www.evga.com/icx/ Again, thank you for your feedback, any further concerns can be emailed to webmaster@evga.com, but please note again that we have no further details at this time.
Lock thread please.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 11:25:25
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imricko99
Will there be EVGA GTX 1080Ti FTW tho? I doubt so. They will release GTX 1080Ti FTW2 only. Why? Because the original FTW is flawed
Will there even be an EVGA GTX 1080Ti? You are adding speculation on top of speculation on top of speculation. A 5 page thread of speculation. Is there any way to hide these types of threads from the forum list? I am over it.
Agreed, there is no reason to be upset as this is only speculation and we only know what EVGA has told us and what jay saw in his video.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 11:27:21
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Why lock it? Let EVGA clear things up. You say it's mostly speculation, but it isn't really. The iCX is made because of the flaws of ACX, otherwise there would be a different slogan. Will there be an 1080Ti, yes for sure!
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 11:31:42
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Let EVGA clear things up.
Read what EVGA wrote. There is virtually no information and there is nothing which EVGA plans to clear up at this time. "Please keep in mind that we currently have no details regarding these items and some are considered proof of concept. ... but please note again that we have no further details at this time." Why lock the thread? It is spiraling out of control into this crazy flamebait argument thread. I mean, come on! Now we are arguing about whether the fictitious 1080Ti will have the ACX or iCX cooler? The 1080Ti doesn't even exist in the market. It's all just a poisoned apple at this point. I think this is very relevant:
Andy R.
Marlboro, VT 05344
Dear Click and Clack,
I am writing to offer profound thanks to you for resolving an important philosophical question that has been heatedly debated for the last twenty years. The rumination began on a construction site one summer in the early 1970's, as my friend Jamie and I were working our way through college. The question we raised and have agonized over, lo these many years, is one that I've never read about in any philosophical treatise, and yet I have found it has applied to countless situations and conversations overheard in bars, repair shops, sporting events, political debates, etc. etc. etc.
Posit the question: Do two people who don't know what they are talking about know more or less than one person who doesn't know what he's talking about? (Pardon the un-PC masculine pronoun, but I have found this to be, most predominately, a male phenomenon.)
In your recent conversations regarding electric brakes on a cattle carrier, I believe you definitely answered this query and have put our debate to rest. Amazingly enough, you proved that even in a case where one person might know nothing about a subject, it is possible for two people to know even less!
One person will only go so far out on a limb in his construction of deeply hypothetical structures, and will often end with a shrug or a raising of hands to indicate the dismissability of his particular take on a subject. With two people, the intricacies, the gives and takes, the wherefores and why-nots, can become a veritable pas-de-deux of breathtaking speculation, interwoven in such a way that apologies or gestures of doubt are rendered unnecessary.
I had always suspected this was the case, but no argument I could have built from my years of observation would have so satisfyingly closed the door on the subject as your performance on the cattle carrier call. To begin your comments by saying, "We'll answer your question if you tell us how electric brakes work" and "We've never heard of electric brakes" and then indulge in lengthy theoretical hypostulations on the whys and wherefores of the caller's problem allowed me to observe that you were finally putting this gnarly question to rest.
I am forever indebted to you for the great service you have performed! I'm truly impressed that it took so many years of listening to your show to finally have this matter resolved.
Sincerely,
Andy R.
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Re: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with iCX cooling !?!?!?
2017/01/07 11:41:16
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EVGA designed a new cooler, includes a fine slogan.. But we at EVGA, don't know anything about it. They ship out samples, display them at CES.. For a company with such a customer service i would expect a proper response, because it's understandable how many here are feeling. And i agree that the 1080Ti shouldn't be mentioned, because it isn't relevant. That it excist is another topic of discussion, but many know it is ready.
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