DustoMan

arestavo

vsg28
The new ICX cooler is replacing the ACX 3.0 on all their cards, not just the FTW models.

Source?

Freeze Frame Here:
https://youtu.be/OHMKBusyUo8?t=372
The ICX cooler is on all the cards on the table:
Geoforce 1070 SC2
1070 FTW2
1080 FTW2

Ahh, there is a 1070 SC2 shown! I missed that since I was listening while browsing other tabs.

Then this problem leaves out of the same to the 1080 classified? Customized pcb but still mounting the same heatsink ac3.0

Forgeborn

Scarlet I like the work you do in these forums and I don't want to argue with you about the entomology or words or syntax.
 
"Why speculate until we have actual information?"  EVGA released incomplete information about the products. Why don't you ask them why they did that? I think I know why you won't. I think you won't ask them why they released incomplete information because you already know why they did that. For this thread. For these reactions. They wanted to generate "Hype" and "Product Awareness" without giving specifics. They want us all here discussing this new cooler.
 
But I'm sure they want the opposite tone. They want us all guessing and speculating about how many degrees Celsius cooler it will be (i.e.: "Will it be 1.011 C or 1.012 C cooler!!?! Taking all bets!"). They want us trying to guess what dates they will be available and how much more they will cost or if they'll be the same (i.e:" It's a Waaaayyy better cooler than the ACX 3.0 and it's the same price! EVGA is awesome to it's (new)customers!")
 
Sorry Scarlet but I think your question "Why speculate until we have actual information?" is not a good one because you already know the answer. The promotion (the paid bit with Jayz2Cents, and the spot at CES) just isn't getting the positive reaction Marketing was hoping for (yet?).

Ok,where is the keyboard they showed 3 years ago. Where is the keyboards they showed 2 years ago. Where is the keyboard they stopped talking about last year? EVGA showed mock products at CES last year, like the DQC cpu cooler and QDC gpu hybrid. But yet, we speculated and never received any more info other than "Soon". 3 years of "soon" worked out to nothing so far.

The answer I received about icx, "we don't have any more information at this time. Did you really think I wasn't going to ask them directly? We have the one video from Jayztwocents, and until EVGA releases a statement, we will all get the exact same answer. I don't plan to sit on the speculation train trying to figure out what they changed, as they will eventually release the product with details, which is way more fun to read than try to figure out what's under the hood when we have no way to see inside yet.

Give it time, and we will have answers. Until then, you have two pictures and a guy saying that the cooler is mounted in more than 4 points making the entire pcb sturdier than before.

Also, think back to the 970 issue with LED bridges.. remember how EVGA worked up the SC+ and FTW+ and how they helped customers after that was resolved? There is an entire forum full of those posts where evga corrected the issue and then worked with the customers. May as well wait for a statement and see what EVGA wants to do, rather than speculate what is being done when we have no idea what they are planning yet

Forgeborn
Did you not see the Jayz2Cents video? Your QDC's are there. I guess "Soon" just wasn't soon enough for some but they're here.
 
I don't recall the keyboards ever being touted as anything but a prototype/proof of concept that they were working on. Not like these new ICX coolers that are demo'ing what looks like retail samples. These coolers aren't mock products, they are working units. Jay says they have that Asetek pumps and everything so... he obviously has more details than this video shows even if Marketing/PR (whoever you asked) doesn't have any more info to give you/us.

Keyboards were prototype and proof of concept, and yes, jayztwocents did a video on those as well.

The QDC were shown in the dg-8 case before it had a name, in 4 way sli, with the CPU in the loop... the same thing with a different engine, because last year they has 900 series hybrids they showed off.

Also, I added a little while you were posting. You may not want to argue, as you stated, but until evga releases a statement, that's all you're doing unfortunately. Follow the history, and evga makes the official statement when they are ready. Moderators and even evga employees don't get all of the information until the NDA is released and a public statement is made. Until then, it's still speculation.

Scarlet-Tech
Ok,where is the keyboard they showed 3 years ago. Where is the keyboards they showed 2 years ago. Where is the keyboard they stopped talking about last year? EVGA showed mock products at CES last year, like the DQC cpu cooler and QDC gpu hybrid. But yet, we speculated and never received any more info other than "Soon". 3 years of "soon" worked out to nothing so far.
 I don't plan to sit on the speculation train trying to figure out what they changed, as they will eventually release the product with details, which is way more fun to read than try to figure out what's under the hood when we have no way to see inside yet.

Scarlet-Tech
I don't plan to sit on the speculation train trying to figure out what they changed, as they will eventually release the product with details, [snip]...

 So we shouldn't be speculating because you believe the product may not ever come out but we should just wait to discuss this product until after it releases because you now think it definitely will...
 
Can I suggest Scarlet that maybe YOU shouldn't be speculating? You have a dog in this fight. You have a vested interest in this product doing well for this company. The marketing people didn't tease customers with insufficient information/facts so that you could tell people what to think(speculate) and not think(speculate). They did it so that we (the customers, with no vested interest in how the company performs financially) could get all worked up about what's coming. It worked, we got worked up but they misjudged the tone of many peoples reactions. Where they thought they would get positive speculation and eager anticipation they are being met more with... well, what you see here.
 
Keep suggesting that we should not speculate. I think you are wasting your breath. You'd get better results if you went to marketing and said "Don't tease people with partial facts and hype up products before we are ready to ship them".

Forgeborn

Scarlet-Tech
Ok,where is the keyboard they showed 3 years ago. Where is the keyboards they showed 2 years ago. Where is the keyboard they stopped talking about last year? EVGA showed mock products at CES last year, like the DQC cpu cooler and QDC gpu hybrid. But yet, we speculated and never received any more info other than "Soon". 3 years of "soon" worked out to nothing so far.
I don't plan to sit on the speculation train trying to figure out what they changed, as they will eventually release the product with details, which is way more fun to read than try to figure out what's under the hood when we have no way to see inside yet.

Scarlet-Tech
I don't plan to sit on the speculation train trying to figure out what they changed, as they will eventually release the product with details, [snip]...

So we shouldn't be speculating because you believe the product may not ever come out but we should just wait to discuss this product until after it releases because you now think it definitely will...
 
Can I suggest Scarlet that maybe YOU shouldn't be speculating? You have a dog in this fight. You have a vested interest in this product doing well for this company. The marketing people didn't tease customers with insufficient information/facts so that you could tell people what to think(speculate) and not think(speculate). They did it so that we (the customers, with no vested interest in how the company performs financially) could get all worked up about what's coming. It worked, we got worked up but they misjudged the tone of many peoples reactions. Where they thought they would get positive speculation and eager anticipation they are being met more with... well, what you see here.
 
Keep suggesting that we should not speculate. I think you are wasting your breath. You'd get better results if you went to marketing and said "Don't tease people with partial facts and hype up products before we are ready to ship them".

 I'll shoot you a PM to clear up some of your assumptions from this post.
 
 
If you would like to discuss this further, feel free to chat in a PM.  I won't be assuming anything about the new cooler because I can't see what all was changed until EVGA makes a press release.  Also, CES is always a place where they tease products.  This happens every year. 
 

I've had my 1070 FTW for a little over 3 months with no problems yet. I did install the thermal pad mod for ease of worries and I always keep my fans on 60-80% to make sure it keeps things cool, but it is rather disappointing to see this new FTW 2 cards comming out so soon after the originals were released... to me it appears as if EVGA knows there FTW 1 models are offically not very reliable directly related to the cooling problems so many people reported. I can understand if EVGA made some mistakes when they designed the orignal FTW ACX series and didn't realize the faulty cooling problems until after many of us owners reported about it. From what I keep seeing is that they continue to state nothing is wrong with the originals, but I don't beleive it. With this new ICX cooling now, to me, is just blatanly obvious they are fixing a problem that they now know is a problem but don't seem to acknowlege it. To me this just says we messed up yet we won't admit it, but here is the new version that is reliable if you'd like to buy it. I hope my 1070 FTW 1 will last atleast 2 years, but I am aware it most likely won't if I don't keep it cooled properly. When I decide to upgrade to a new series especially from EVGA such as the 1170 or 1180 if that's what Nvidia will make then, I will make sure I wait atleast a couple months to read through the feeback so I know ahead of time what to expect better. I know this problem can happen to any card manufactor but EVGA's cooling problem has been made quite obvious and infamous around the tech communities more so than other brands from what I've seen with the 10xx series. Well, I guess we'll see how this new ICX design will be, I hope this problem doesn't happen again with their future card designs, because cooling design and operation should be the most focused on in a cards design and aesthetics can come after imo. Anyways as others have mentioned above, I do feel like I was some kind of beta tester and that is not a good feeling. I hope you learn from your errors EVGA, because the word has been spread around about all this and your company needs to bring back the peace of mind and confidence of quality and reliability a lot of us once had with your products. Hope to see if that will be so.

panzlock

Scarlet-Tech
Don't forget, this could have been in the works before the thermal pad stuff ever came up, so folks are assuming it came up and they fully redesigned and tested a brand new cooler in 2 months... or they were working on this, and applied a few tweaks after people started requesting thermal pads.

Do we know who may have the answer of when development started on this new iCX cooler, because I definitely dont.

This may very well be another hasty response to the negative criticism of ACX 3.0 and EVGA's reputation. Apply minor changes that alter the coolers look, apply thermal pads where necessary, call it iCX and grant the public piece of mind.
 
Regardless of what you say, the phrases attached to this concept induce an implication. This is the blunder EVGA has made with this showcase. This cooler will be released, rest assured, and it will be better than ACX 3.0. Then EVGA will no longer have to deal with ACX 3.0. They will instead have to deal with bitter ACX 3.0 owners. I remember plenty members here asking for such a solution. What they received instead was a sharp fan curve, Boeing 777 turbofan engine decibel level sound and a slap dash, do it yourself thermal pad application classified as optional. Now that the solution consumers wanted in the past is on the horizon you expect something other than antagonism? Or no speculation? Pfff.
 
 
 
 

+1

somethingc00l
 
No way EVGA designed and tested and manufactured a new heatsink in two months. They absolutely must have been planning this for a while.
 
The entitlement in this thread is mind blowing to me, play some bloody games and be happy.

Nobody said this is an all new design. This is more than likely a refined ACX 3.0.

panzlock
 
Nobody said this is an all new design. This is more than likely a refined ACX 3.0.

Of course it's not an all new design (just look at it). It would still likely longer than two months even if they only made a few small changes. Design + test + certification + sample manufacturing + CE/UL approval + sample compliance testing + prob more I am not thinking of. You don't just make changes willy nilly in large manufacturing setups.

darkmatter00
I read this earlier, not a lot more information but it might be worth looking at.
 
techpowerup.com/229354/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-and-gtx-1070-ftw2-and-sc2-graphics-cards-pictured
 
 

 
https://www.techpowerup.com/229354/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-and-gtx-1070-ftw2-and-sc2-graphics-cards-pictured

If we are speculating here let's speculate on what flavor cooler the 1080 GTX will have.
Nobody has fussed over all of the 1080ti speculation that has been ongoing for the last few months

malxlupus
 - Gamers Nexus gives a pretty good rundown of the icx differences even if he cant give exact details. Hope we can step up at least. Hope the price isnt something heads above the ftw 1

Graphics Cards

• EVGA will only release reference versions of its products, NVIDIA reference spec and clock, to the Step-Up program

 
source: http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/
 
Sorry guys, unless they make a special exception to the Step-Up program we won't be getting these that way.

Scarlet-Tech

Forgeborn

malxlupus
 - Gamers Nexus gives a pretty good rundown of the icx differences even if he cant give exact details. Hope we can step up at least. Hope the price isnt something heads above the ftw 1

Graphics Cards

• EVGA will only release reference versions of its products, NVIDIA reference spec and clock, to the Step-Up program

 
source: http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/
 
Sorry guys, unless they make a special exception to the Step-Up program we won't be getting these that way.

They did from the 970ftw to the 970 ftw+ there is always a chance. We just have to be patient and see what their next move is.

Nice!
 
I see your point in not getting worked up until we know exactly how EVGA will handle this. Exceptions to the rule can be made and just because things may not have been handled/presented well doesn't mean things won't go more smoothly moving forward.

I think it sucks that a "problem that did NOT exist" and "oh, you don't need those thermal pads things" changes to an engineering update that cost a lotta bucks to do. And who gets screwed, us the loyal users.
I don't have the money to trade up every week, my last cards were a pair of 680 FTW's in SLI, wonderful in it's day but it needed a update.
Now if I try to sell this new 1070 FTW will I get less for it then this "new and improved" 1070 FTW2?

With or without the added Thermal Pads and grease?

Will EVGA allow a trade-up to the new (er) card.

I'm pissed, There would NOT have been this FTW2 unless we told them about the problem, now I get $0.13 worth of pads and grease and a pat on the head...

At least send me a back plate with the ventilation that should have been there in the first place.
I never liked back plates anyway, but I figured that if EVGA does it, it's gotta be OK, WRONG...