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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/07 19:03:21
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After reading and researching this news about the FTW cards, this is just the icing on the cake as far as EVGA hardware for me! From my research the FTW plus is the FTW fixed ( better board and backplate). My next PC build that will happen in a few weeks will not contain any EVGA hardware. And yeah EVGA did listen to its customers...they saw the sales plummet and decided to fix these cards at the customers expense. Shame on you EVGA for screwing over your customers!!
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/07 19:40:02
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RainStryke If this is the back plate they have... it should fit: http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=100-BP-0972-B9
It shows compatibility with the SSC and older models.
We are talking about the new SSC here right? Where does it show compatibility with part number 04G-P4-3975-KR (new SSC)? The old SSC and FTW are 9.5" cards and these newer ones are 10.1"
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/07 20:30:40
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mr. wolf 25 days left on my step up. I'll wait until a couple days left then go with 3975 SSC if the FTW+ still is unavailable. Maybe I'll even get the vanilla 980 if its price drops.
Yeah I plan to do the same with my FTW, but have a couple days less than you. Let's hope EVGA releases the FTW+ by then! Seems like they should be, anyway. Also, I guess it isn't confirmed yet if people who purchased the FTW will be able to step-up to the FTW+ or even the SSC for those with less time left on their step-up, unless someone has already gone through with a step-up from FTW to SSC.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/07 20:44:31
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RainStryke If this is the back plate they have... it should fit: http://www.evga.com/Produ...aspx?pn=100-BP-0972-B9
It shows compatibility with the SSC and older models.
We are talking about the new SSC here right? Where does it show compatibility with part number 04G-P4-3975-KR (new SSC)? The old SSC and FTW are 9.5" cards and these newer ones are 10.1"
*EDIT* Actually... Now looking at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQCtwsvXMQg#t=59s Set the link at 59 seconds where you can see it best. That's definitely a different back plate... Not good... Considering I just bought two for my SSC's. Yep, you are right... Those back plates won't work with the new SSC. Just called EVGA tech support, they don't have any back plates for the new SSC's and at this moment, they don't know if they will offer them.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/07 21:38:36
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I'm hoping the FTW+ comes available to step up to soon, that or if they had another back plate promotion for the new SSC card.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/07 21:44:53
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aronh17 There's obviously a reason why EVGA is re-releasing these cards then. And since it's their high end released again, I can guarantee you they will clock higher. My FTW is always limited by power and downclocks in a lot of games under it's max boost clock. I've already seen the new SSC pumping out better Firestrike scrores at stock clock than my overclocked FTW. Why? They are not limited by power. Obviously my GPU will hit max boost no problem in a game like Counter Strike, but not in a game like Crysis 3.
Yeah, my FTWs downclock all the time. I can get my top FTW card to hit 1594 MHz in OC scanner and anything non demanding, but it will never get anywhere near that in any real game. When I play BF4 it will fluctuate between low 1500's to high 1400's depending on how much is going in the game. And won't even get to 1500 in Crysis 3 all because it hits the power limit so fast and easily.
If you want to eliminate power target throttling why not mod your bios, you've got 2 of them.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/07 22:07:19
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Dakutagawa
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aronh17 There's obviously a reason why EVGA is re-releasing these cards then. And since it's their high end released again, I can guarantee you they will clock higher. My FTW is always limited by power and downclocks in a lot of games under it's max boost clock. I've already seen the new SSC pumping out better Firestrike scrores at stock clock than my overclocked FTW. Why? They are not limited by power. Obviously my GPU will hit max boost no problem in a game like Counter Strike, but not in a game like Crysis 3.
Yeah, my FTWs downclock all the time. I can get my top FTW card to hit 1594 MHz in OC scanner and anything non demanding, but it will never get anywhere near that in any real game. When I play BF4 it will fluctuate between low 1500's to high 1400's depending on how much is going in the game. And won't even get to 1500 in Crysis 3 all because it hits the power limit so fast and easily.
If you want to eliminate power target throttling why not mod your bios, you've got 2 of them.
That was one of the first things I did......
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/07 22:29:10
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nickheller I'm hoping the FTW+ comes available to step up to soon, that or if they had another back plate promotion for the new SSC card.
Better put your bets on the FTW+ then. I hate to say it but judging by what RainStryke said above about them not knowing if they'll even offer it, I would be very surprised if this occured. However, EVGA seems to be full of surprises lately.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 01:46:56
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@ ManBearPig It's been a while since i've really looked into Nvidia... Actually since the GTX 660's and when they were so problematic I kind of never went back. I guess things have changed with their guarantee. I didn't realize they actually posted an article claiming what each title meant and just short of promised fantastic overclocks out of the FTW and Classified edition cards in this article: http://eu.evga.com/articles/00721/ I never knew that the + after the title just meant that it came with a backplate... I realize now how pissed off you are since you probably follow this stuff a lot closer than I do. I apologize... With that said, I really do think EVGA should do something about their customer base that are having issues with their cards working properly under stress, due to a issue with power delivery. I hope they offer up some kind of step-up for users to get the product they deserve.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 01:54:22
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My step up from a FTW to SSC has just gone to step 2.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 04:03:15
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RainStryke [...] I never knew that the + after the title just meant that it came with a backplate... [...]
That may even be the "usual" meaning of the "+", but such is not the case this time around. Source: EVGA_JacobF 6 power phases (Actually it is 6+2) here on both + higher power target. Also new cooling design which is 6% cooler.
So, I'd say that "+" brings a bit more than a backplate with it; there are also claims that the card is bigger, but that I couldn't see for myself yet. All I know is that the most correct thing to do would be recall the original FTWs from everyone who threw money at EVGA for the 4+2 power phase crippled models and have them replaced for the real FTWs that are in the making. That move would surely bring them back the customer loyalty that they are so dedicatedly ruining nowadays. Of course that it would mean a financial hit and the step up approach would be cheaper for them from a business stand point, hence I'd still be willing to make use of the step up to feel less cheated with a product I plan on holding to for the next 3-4 years.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 04:44:29
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Morphevz As a disappointed owner of 2x FTW where: - the only FTW thing about them was the price - the ASIC is weak sauce - 68.1% and 68.8% - they don't even run at same voltage while SLI'ing - the core can barely touch the 1500 Mhz barrier and the power limitations even at 110% power, prevents them from staying there - the memory can't be clocked anywhere near the 8000 Mhz that most users are comfortably getting on air - the coil whine is not a lie I too would like to confirm that my pitchfork is raised high after reading the news that a real FTW is now being released and on top of that, cheaper than what I paid for my beta testing FTW versions... My stet up possibilities are due by the end of January, and I would love if, at least, one of the following things could happen: - the vanilla GTX 980s drop to the price point that I spent on my FTWs, and I step up to two 980s - the fabled extra VRAM versions enter the market, and I step up to them - none of the above materializing, at least, that I'm given the change to step up from these pretend FTWs to the real deal labeled as FTW+ One thing is certain: lesson learned; it was the first and the last time I trusted a manufacturer to come forth with an optimized product at launch. No doubt the sweet spot for "new hardware" purchases is 3 months after it's on the market and the pitchfork mob QAed the product for the final performance adjustments. It's really saddening to see EVGA's market approach nowadays. There must have been quite a few internal changes for all these constant odd decisions happening nowadays. I hereby confirm, that this situations leaves a very fowl taste in this sad panda's face.
I understand where this is coming from -completely - Because I also was very, very....wait....EXTREMELY disappointed with EVGA. I first bought 2x GTX 970 SC's, performance was meh... ASIC's quality was double meh... Cooling was a triple meh... After that I bought 2x GTX 970 FTW's expecting them to be the "very best" in the 970-department which money could buy. Especially considering I owned also 2x GTX 780 FTW's before. But still, another let down. Cooling was quite a big better, which was a no-brainer given the crap cooling on the plain / SC versions. The cooling on those were really lacking, to say the least. Performance was a little better, but still hardly overclockable and constant throttling, so again, at least for me, a single meh. And the ASIC's quality... well... it was even WORSE than with the 970 SC's!! Well to be honest; one FTW was a little, just a little (less than 1%) better than than my best 970 SC, the other one was around 14% worse than my lower SC. So that was a really quadruple meh for that and for EVGA in general. Also support was a big let down during this time period. //start-added line To be honest; the only thing I never experienced was coil whine, on any cards. So dunno about that. //end-added line Since I was fedup with EVGA completely at this point, I just sold all my EVGA cards (even the ones in other systems I have) and went for a different brand. For my main gaming PC I went with two Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 cards. One of those cards was defective (sorta DOA), so had to return that one (guess I am really not lucky). After getting a replacement and installing both of them, I was quite surprised. Cooling good, overclocking good and ASIC's quality also (very) good: 82.6% and 87.3% (as mentioned in my previous post). They are rock stable at ~1541 mhz, however I don't like Gigabyte as a company. Good stuff, when it works. Was a pain to get the defective card replaced. Anyways, cutting things short; I am kinda semi-excited on the new FTW+ cards. Might give EVGA a new go, as in a fresh start, but will first wait on user input and reviews on this card, before I jump the bandwagon again. I am now a bit more cautious when it comes to EVGA, given my past (bad) experiences... Oh well.... Just my 2 Eurocents. :) //small edit in regard to coil whine
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 04:48:44
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mr. wolf 25 days left on my step up. I'll wait until a couple days left then go with 3975 SSC if the FTW+ still is unavailable. Maybe I'll even get the vanilla 980 if its price drops.
Yeah I plan to do the same with my FTW, but have a couple days less than you. Let's hope EVGA releases the FTW+ by then! Seems like they should be, anyway. Also, I guess it isn't confirmed yet if people who purchased the FTW will be able to step-up to the FTW+ or even the SSC for those with less time left on their step-up, unless someone has already gone through with a step-up from FTW to SSC.
Just for kicks, I tried the step up from my FTW to the 3975 SSC. It'll work and all we have to pay is $10.75 for shipping. Now, just have to wait and hope the FTW+ is available in time. As for the whole backplate issue, I honestly don't really care. I got it for free. If we don't get one for the SSC or FTW+, it won't bother me as long as the new card performs well and solves all the problems. Hell, I guess I could just remove the backplate and try to sell it before returning my FTW.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 05:28:48
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@MvdL79: curious fact: the card I ordered first was a GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980 G1 GAMING - 4GB, since I've been curious about the brand but always had second thoughts on trying it. But let's just say I couldn't keep thinking if I had done the right choice, since I normally SLI but couldn't spend the money in 2 980s, and cancelled my ordered and decided to return to stick with EVGA giving their top of the line products and good customer service reputation. So, I bought the two GTX 970 thinking I was buying the best 970 models that money could buy, keeping in mind that the Gigabyte version would supply more power to the cards, but trusting EVGA's rep remark that "the card has no used for more power" as mentioned in one of the few reviews done on the FTWs. Speaking of reviews, the lack of them also sounded the alarms in my head. Why isn't EVGA supplying more reviewers with the model? I guess that... You know what you've done if you don't want people to start sniffing around it... @Mr. wolf: that's great to know; that'll be my plan Z by the end of the month, although I would still prefer FTW+, given that's what I thought I was buying when I drilled a hole in my bank account... =)
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 05:42:13
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Morphevz @Mr. wolf: that's great to know; that'll be my plan Z by the end of the month, although I would still prefer FTW+, given that's what I thought I was buying when I drilled a hole in my bank account... =)
Yeah, I definitely prefer to get the FTW+, since I bought the now-faulty FTW, and will wait until the last minute of the last day of my step up window before settling for the SSC.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 06:50:37
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So why are the FTW's faulty?
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 07:27:13
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 07:27:13
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Okay: I see the SSC is out. Where's the FTW+??? I was literally about to checkout on a FTW but I reaaaally want the FTW+ and just sold my old GPUs yesterday… :X HALP!
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 08:05:01
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How long untill SCC and FTW+ comes to Scandinavia? Norway spes. Thank you!
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 08:07:05
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Woud you get a single 980, or 970 sli? 970 sli will cost be about 150$ extra, but worth it on 1080P, 144Hz?
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 08:16:32
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just watch out Amazon.com and the EVGA EU shop, that's the best way. if you don't need to max out everything in game even 1 GTX 970 could be enough for 1080p.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 08:20:11
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sahafiec just watch out Amazon.com and the EVGA EU shop, that's the best way. if you don't need to max out everything in game even 1 GTX 970 could be enough for 1080p.
I fold aswell, and i wont get anything slower than a singel 980 when running 144Hz, cracking down is not a option^^ Will watch out on the Eu site tho, Thanks! :)
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 08:25:41
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I understand, the FTW+ SLI would be a good option for you. I assume Amazon would get the card prior to EVGA EU, so watch Amazon first. EVGA always ships newegg and Amazon first then it's own online stores.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 08:47:31
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outlawii So why are the FTW's faulty?
They're not exactly faulty, they just do not deliver on the performance expectations that they should. They're good GPUs but are lacking in power draw and seemingly voltage as well. I've read about a few FTW cards not doing well even with voltage increase and my card has the issue as well. Seems the only thing the FTW owners got was a better heatsink for the cooler and that's it. The other problem is that the SSC is now outdoing the FTW, which is actually supposed to be under the FTW but isn't. I'd fully expect EVGA to allow the step up, but releasing the FTW as is to begin with makes me question what they're going to do or say about the issue.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 08:55:30
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Do you guys think the SSC or FTW+ would do well for 1440p IPS? Lots of people are telling me the experience of IPS is too good to pass over TN.
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2015/01/08 09:01:12
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IAmTheNorwegianGamer Woud you get a single 980, or 970 sli? 970 sli will cost be about 150$ extra, but worth it on 1080P, 144Hz? If you want to max everything out at 1080p; the single GTX 980 is probably enough investment to achieve that. From experience with my 2x GTX 970 FTW, I can tell you that the default FTW values aren't enough to run Dragon Age Inquisition at 1440p @144Hz (ROG Swift user here). I need to crank up the power limiter, the voltage and raise the clocks a bit to keep the game consistently above the 50fps mark, with it staying between 30 and 75fps depending on the game area and stuff happening on screen. Granted that I'm running a i7 920 @ 4Ghz on a X58 mobo, and this could bottleneck a bit my fps, but still at least in my case, a single GTX 980 would have to make compromises to run 1440p games at a stable framerate. Additionally, you must keep in mind if SLI is worth the headaches, as most games nowadays are released without support for it, and nVidia cares little to nothing about optimizing the drivers and cooperating with the developer to deliver a proper experience to SLI users. For instance... for how long is Dragon Age Inquisition out? The game still displays flickery textures in SLI, together with super absurdly dense fog areas, which are supposed to be a nice atmospheric touch, but are nothing more than a white mantle of whiteness. "Why don't you disable SLI?", you ask. Well, because I like to run my games with max graphical settings and didn't spend money in two cards to only make use of one. Not to mention I would need to tune down graphical options for the game to be playable... Long story short, if I was playing at 1080p, I would definitely stay the hell away from SLI headaches as a gamer. A single GTX 970 can run most games with few compromises, and a single GTX980 should run them without a sweat with exceptional compromises. In the end, it's your money, your call; but as I said, if I wasn't on a 1440p monitor; I would be regreting not going for a single GTX 980 for 1080p gaming. P.S.: Oh, and... greetings from Flisa. =P Miko Ryukudo Do you guys think the SSC or FTW+ would do well for 1440p IPS? Lots of people are telling me the experience of IPS is too good to pass over TN.
From what I've seen in Dragon Age Inquisition; it depends on what you want. If you plan on running games at max settings; staying around 60fps with a single GTX 970 may be somewhat challenging.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 09:20:20
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IAmTheNorwegianGamer Woud you get a single 980, or 970 sli? 970 sli will cost be about 150$ extra, but worth it on 1080P, 144Hz? If you want to max everything out at 1080p; the single GTX 980 is probably enough investment to achieve that. From experience with my 2x GTX 970 FTW, I can tell you that the default FTW values aren't enough to run Dragon Age Inquisition at 1440p @144Hz (ROG Swift user here). I need to crank up the power limiter, the voltage and raise the clocks a bit to keep the game consistently above the 50fps mark, with it staying between 30 and 75fps depending on the game area and stuff happening on screen. Granted that I'm running a i7 920 @ 4Ghz on a X58 mobo, and this could bottleneck a bit my fps, but still at least in my case, a single GTX 980 would have to make compromises to run 1440p games at a stable framerate. Additionally, you must keep in mind if SLI is worth the headaches, as most games nowadays are released without support for it, and nVidia cares little to nothing about optimizing the drivers and cooperating with the developer to deliver a proper experience to SLI users. For instance... for how long is Dragon Age Inquisition out? The game still displays flickery textures in SLI, together with super absurdly dense fog areas, which are supposed to be a nice atmospheric touch, but are nothing more than a white mantle of whiteness. "Why don't you disable SLI?", you ask. Well, because I like to run my games with max graphical settings and didn't spend money in two cards to only make use of one. Not to mention I would need to tune down graphical options for the game to be playable... Long story short, if I was playing at 1080p, I would definitely stay the hell away from SLI headaches as a gamer. A single GTX 970 can run most games with few compromises, and a single GTX980 should run them without a sweat with exceptional compromises. In the end, it's your money, your call; but as I said, if I wasn't on a 1440p monitor; I would be regreting not going for a single GTX 980 for 1080p gaming. P.S.: Oh, and... greetings from Flisa. =P
Miko Ryukudo Do you guys think the SSC or FTW+ would do well for 1440p IPS? Lots of people are telling me the experience of IPS is too good to pass over TN.
From what I've seen in Dragon Age Inquisition; it depends on what you want. If you plan on running games at max settings; staying around 60fps with a single GTX 970 may be somewhat challenging.
I see, Thank you. I woud rather pay the 150$ now, they are only ``laying there if you understand^^ Its either gonna be 1 watercooled 980, or 2 aircooled 970`s. I had 780Ti sli for a couple of weeks.had mine 780Ti, which is folding atm, and borrowed my dad`s card, had no problems with Sli issues as i play Bf4, Far cry etc.. Not smaller titles really. Wouldent 970 sli give me a big advantage since i am getting a 144Hz monitor? G-synch though (and 1080P) I woud def. not get another 980. So either single 980, dual 970, you still mean 980 is the best way to go now? Saves me 150$ which i can use on a block for the 980. Thank you! Hilsen Fra Kr.sand^^
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 09:27:40
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980 is the best single GPU out, but a pair of 970s will absolutely destroy it. Plus the price/performance on the 970s is much better. I thought I was going to get a 980 before they came out; then I saw the performance of the 970 and it's price. I ended up getting 2 970 FTWs. I play on a 1440p with 120Hz and couldn't be happier because a single 980 would not be able to do that with max settings.
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Re: EVGA GEFORCE GTX 970 SSC & FTW+
2015/01/08 09:28:31
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Morphevz From what I've seen in Dragon Age Inquisition; it depends on what you want. If you plan on running games at max settings; staying around 60fps with a single GTX 970 may be somewhat challenging.
I see. Looks like it will be GM200/210 for me then. I want to stay single if possible. Going to have to spend at least $350 on a GPU to get the mileage out of my new 4790k anyways.
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