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2021/02/03 16:48:50 (permalink)
I received my FTW3 Ultra 3090 today. I did a fresh install of drivers. I ran a quick 3D mark benchmark and it went fine. I noticed power draw on the card hit 440watts monitoring with GPUZ. I am not sure if this is normal or not, my 3080 was always around 330w. I see the spec sheet shows 350watts for the 3090. I loaded up iRacing which I play on Triple 1440p monitors and the PC crashes about 20 seconds into a race and shuts the PC down. 
 
I have been running this PC with no issues with a XC3 3080 up until today. No other changes were made aside from installing the 3090, I had to add 1 more 8pin cable from the PSU to the card and a driver install. 
 
My power supply is an EVGA GA 850w Gold. 
 
Is my power supply not enough and is it normal for this card to pull this type of wattage?
 
If its the PSU, what PSU should I go with?
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 16:56:47 (permalink)
    What are the rest of your system specs?

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 17:05:00 (permalink)
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    What are the rest of your system specs?

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 17:53:10 (permalink)
    Pretty sure the GA line has problems with the 3090 due to power spikes that it just can't handle.

    Give EVGA a call and they'll likely RMA and get you a different model.

    https://www.evga.com/about/contactus/
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 17:55:01 (permalink)
    In real world situations, your system will typically be pulling somewhere in the 400-600W range load in games etc, the problem is most likely that the 3090 is pegging one of the rails on the PSU for just a split second and that's causing the shut down.
     
    The 3090 FTW3 Ultra/Hybrids are capable of pulling, if memory serves, up to around 420W on the Normal BIOS position, and up to 450W on the OC BIOS position.  The "XOC Beta 500W BIOS" available here on the forums is supposed to (but for most people, does not) boost that power limit to 500W.
     
    I no longer have my 3090 FTW3 Hybrid or I'd run a quick test to check power draws - 440W is not "out of range" for the card, that's quite normal in fact in my memory it typically drew between 350-450W in most games, depending on the clocks being used.
     
    One way to test if it's the PSU would be to undervolt the card & see if the shut down no longer occurs.  Run something like GPUz or HWInfo64 to keep an eye on temperatures & power draw, and using Afterburner, apply something like this for an undervolt curve:
     

     
    That will result in you running higher than stock clocks, but at lower than stock voltage (by a good amount) which will mean less power draw... you can also just do 1935MHz @ 1000mV (that's right around stock boost speed for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra) - either of those should lower the power draw of the card by a fair bit.
    Monitor draw & do what you did before that was causing shut downs... if it no longer causes them, it's likely it was the PSU being unable to handle the power spikes of the card.

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 18:17:46 (permalink)
    arestavo
    Pretty sure the GA line has problems with the 3090 due to power spikes that it just can't handle.

    Give EVGA a call and they'll likely RMA and get you a different model.



     
    Thanks for the suggestion. I will give them a call tomorrow and see what they can do.
     
    Dabadger84
    In real world situations, your system will typically be pulling somewhere in the 400-600W range load in games etc, the problem is most likely that the 3090 is pegging one of the rails on the PSU for just a split second and that's causing the shut down.
     
    The 3090 FTW3 Ultra/Hybrids are capable of pulling, if memory serves, up to around 420W on the Normal BIOS position, and up to 450W on the OC BIOS position.  The "XOC Beta 500W BIOS" available here on the forums is supposed to (but for most people, does not) boost that power limit to 500W.
     
    I no longer have my 3090 FTW3 Hybrid or I'd run a quick test to check power draws - 440W is not "out of range" for the card, that's quite normal in fact in my memory it typically drew between 350-450W in most games, depending on the clocks being used.
     
    One way to test if it's the PSU would be to undervolt the card & see if the shut down no longer occurs.  Run something like GPUz or HWInfo64 to keep an eye on temperatures & power draw, and using Afterburner, apply something like this for an undervolt curve:
     

     
    That will result in you running higher than stock clocks, but at lower than stock voltage (by a good amount) which will mean less power draw... you can also just do 1935MHz @ 1000mV (that's right around stock boost speed for the 3090 FTW3 Ultra) - either of those should lower the power draw of the card by a fair bit.
    Monitor draw & do what you did before that was causing shut downs... if it no longer causes them, it's likely it was the PSU being unable to handle the power spikes of the card.



    You are right. I did a quick google search and it looks like the 440watt range is normal for sure. I also see the BIOS update for 500watts also, which I am definitely not running. I jumped the gun making the post before googling. Its been a long day. 
     
    Anyhow, I will try to undervolt and see how it performs and if it atleast stays on. 
    I did notice, in the brief amount I was able to run the game, FPS was lower than usual and in the particular title I run, it uses and R and G meter to monitor Render and Frametime rates and they were higher than usual compared to how my 3080 was with no change and then BOOM it powered down. 
     
    I am throwing the towel in for tonight and will test some more tomorrow when I have some time. Thanks for the suggestions. 
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 18:30:51 (permalink)
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    You are right. I did a quick google search and it looks like the 440watt range is normal for sure. I also see the BIOS update for 500watts also, which I am definitely not running. I jumped the gun making the post before googling. Its been a long day. 
     
    Anyhow, I will try to undervolt and see how it performs and if it atleast stays on. 
    I did notice, in the brief amount I was able to run the game, FPS was lower than usual and in the particular title I run, it uses and R and G meter to monitor Render and Frametime rates and they were higher than usual compared to how my 3080 was with no change and then BOOM it powered down. 
     
    I am throwing the towel in for tonight and will test some more tomorrow when I have some time. Thanks for the suggestions. 



    Sounds like something an undervolt will be at least a temporary solution for until you can get the PSU situation sorted.  That should lower the draw enough to keep it from shutting down, I think the most I saw while gaming at that setting was 430W or so of draw, and that was in Cyberpunk 2077 with RT stuff maxed at 5120 x 1440, so the GPU was under pretty much the most stress it can be put under outside of Furmark or a similar "burn"/power virus type test.

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 18:53:13 (permalink)
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    Sounds like something an undervolt will be at least a temporary solution for until you can get the PSU situation sorted.  That should lower the draw enough to keep it from shutting down, I think the most I saw while gaming at that setting was 430W or so of draw, and that was in Cyberpunk 2077 with RT stuff maxed at 5120 x 1440, so the GPU was under pretty much the most stress it can be put under outside of Furmark or a similar "burn"/power virus type test.




    I ran a 3Dmark Timespy benchmark and saw a max 426w draw. When I loaded up my game it was showing a 440w max draw. 
     
    What software aside from HWinfo can I run that will log the values and save incase it shutdown? I like how you can view it in a graph style in MSI afterburner live or go back to it. But the problem is, I have to run my title in full screen mode so I cannot overlay the hardwaremonitor over it in a window to watch it live. I need to go back and view it, unless it doesnt crash then I am ok. I run Triple 1440p monitors @ 7680x1440p with approx. 144fps. 
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 19:13:08 (permalink)
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    Dabadger84
     
     
    Sounds like something an undervolt will be at least a temporary solution for until you can get the PSU situation sorted.  That should lower the draw enough to keep it from shutting down, I think the most I saw while gaming at that setting was 430W or so of draw, and that was in Cyberpunk 2077 with RT stuff maxed at 5120 x 1440, so the GPU was under pretty much the most stress it can be put under outside of Furmark or a similar "burn"/power virus type test.




    I ran a 3Dmark Timespy benchmark and saw a max 426w draw. When I loaded up my game it was showing a 440w max draw. 
     
    What software aside from HWinfo can I run that will log the values and save incase it shutdown? I like how you can view it in a graph style in MSI afterburner live or go back to it. But the problem is, I have to run my title in full screen mode so I cannot overlay the hardwaremonitor over it in a window to watch it live. I need to go back and view it, unless it doesnt crash then I am ok. I run Triple 1440p monitors @ 7680x1440p with approx. 144fps. 




    850 ga, which i had, evga is saying it was known issues with evga 3080 ftw ultra. how much more a 3090. hope yer in usa. call em tomorrow. they will take care of u like they did me. 
     

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 19:23:48 (permalink)
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 19:30:31 (permalink)
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    850 ga, which i had, evga is saying it was known issues with evga 3080 ftw ultra. how much more a 3090. hope yer in usa. call em tomorrow. they will take care of u like they did me. 
     


    Yes I am in the USA. What did they do for you and what power supply did you go with?
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 19:35:55 (permalink)
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    850 ga, which i had, evga is saying it was known issues with evga 3080 ftw ultra. how much more a 3090. hope yer in usa. call em tomorrow. they will take care of u like they did me. 
     


    Yes I am in the USA. What did they do for you and what power supply did you go with?

     they replaced it with a 1000 jigawatt. so happy with it. overclocked my 3080 to 2100 @ 1.050 on air. before with the 850ga it would reboot. now stable. it’s a lot bigger than the 850 ga tho. had to squeeze it in a 500D

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 19:52:03 (permalink)
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    Sounds like something an undervolt will be at least a temporary solution for until you can get the PSU situation sorted.  That should lower the draw enough to keep it from shutting down, I think the most I saw while gaming at that setting was 430W or so of draw, and that was in Cyberpunk 2077 with RT stuff maxed at 5120 x 1440, so the GPU was under pretty much the most stress it can be put under outside of Furmark or a similar "burn"/power virus type test.




    I ran a 3Dmark Timespy benchmark and saw a max 426w draw. When I loaded up my game it was showing a 440w max draw. 
     
    What software aside from HWinfo can I run that will log the values and save incase it shutdown? I like how you can view it in a graph style in MSI afterburner live or go back to it. But the problem is, I have to run my title in full screen mode so I cannot overlay the hardwaremonitor over it in a window to watch it live. I need to go back and view it, unless it doesnt crash then I am ok. I run Triple 1440p monitors @ 7680x1440p with approx. 144fps. 




    GPUz can log to a file & has less impact while doing so on performance, HWInfo can also log to file, it's under the options in settings.

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/03 22:48:23 (permalink)
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    I received my FTW3 Ultra 3090 today. I did a fresh install of drivers. I ran a quick 3D mark benchmark and it went fine. I noticed power draw on the card hit 440watts monitoring with GPUZ. I am not sure if this is normal or not, my 3080 was always around 330w. I see the spec sheet shows 350watts for the 3090. I loaded up iRacing which I play on Triple 1440p monitors and the PC crashes about 20 seconds into a race and shuts the PC down. 
     
    I have been running this PC with no issues with a XC3 3080 up until today. No other changes were made aside from installing the 3090, I had to add 1 more 8pin cable from the PSU to the card and a driver install. 
     
    My power supply is an EVGA GA 850w Gold. 
     
    Is my power supply not enough and is it normal for this card to pull this type of wattage?
     
    If its the PSU, what PSU should I go with?




     
    The EVGA GA has a well known issue with the 3000 series cards.
     
    Call EVGA and start an RMA.

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/05 07:04:13 (permalink)
    arestavo
    Pretty sure the GA line has problems with the 3090 due to power spikes that it just can't handle.

    Give EVGA a call and they'll likely RMA and get you a different model.




    making undervolting, this power spikes will continues?
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/05 07:05:21 (permalink)
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    Pretty sure the GA line has problems with the 3090 due to power spikes that it just can't handle.

    Give EVGA a call and they'll likely RMA and get you a different model.




    making undervolting, this power spikes will continues?



     
    Yes, there is no way around it.

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/05 08:29:46 (permalink)
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    I received my FTW3 Ultra 3090 today. I did a fresh install of drivers. I ran a quick 3D mark benchmark and it went fine. I noticed power draw on the card hit 440watts monitoring with GPUZ. I am not sure if this is normal or not, my 3080 was always around 330w. I see the spec sheet shows 350watts for the 3090. I loaded up iRacing which I play on Triple 1440p monitors and the PC crashes about 20 seconds into a race and shuts the PC down. 
     
    I have been running this PC with no issues with a XC3 3080 up until today. No other changes were made aside from installing the 3090, I had to add 1 more 8pin cable from the PSU to the card and a driver install. 
     
    My power supply is an EVGA GA 850w Gold. 
     
    Is my power supply not enough and is it normal for this card to pull this type of wattage?
     
    If its the PSU, what PSU should I go with?




     
    The EVGA GA has a well known issue with the 3000 series cards.
     
    Call EVGA and start an RMA.


    I called yesterday and they are sending me an upgraded unit. Still an 850w though
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/05 08:41:48 (permalink)
    As long as it's not a GA you should be fine.
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/05 15:12:24 (permalink)
    arestavo
    As long as it's not a GA you should be fine.

    Yea that is basically what they told me. I do not know exactly what they are sending yet. 
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/05 15:36:46 (permalink)
    Yeah the 850W isn't the problem as much as the "OMG SPIKEZ" the 3090 (and to a lesser extent 3080s) do that's the problem.  Hopefully the new unit solves your issue.
     
    Did you test an undervolt to see if it solved the problem or not?  Honestly even after you get the new PSU, I would advise testing out an undervolt & see if you can find the happy medium of higher than stock clocks with lower than stock voltage.  My 3090 Kingpin seems to like 2100MHz @ 1025mV - still testing 2160MHz at a higher voltage, but it's basically going to be running at "stockish" voltages to get that clock stable.
    The 3090 FTW3 Hybrid I had before ran 2040MHz @ 1000mV all day in games etc with zero issues as well.  That's a good point to aim for, that's Kingpin-stock boost clocks, at 1V, basically a +120 offset with an undervolt, on the regular 3090 FTW3.

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/05 15:48:15 (permalink)
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    Yeah the 850W isn't the problem as much as the "OMG SPIKEZ" the 3090 (and to a lesser extent 3080s) do that's the problem.  Hopefully the new unit solves your issue.
     
    Did you test an undervolt to see if it solved the problem or not?  Honestly even after you get the new PSU, I would advise testing out an undervolt & see if you can find the happy medium of higher than stock clocks with lower than stock voltage.  My 3090 Kingpin seems to like 2100MHz @ 1025mV - still testing 2160MHz at a higher voltage, but it's basically going to be running at "stockish" voltages to get that clock stable.
    The 3090 FTW3 Hybrid I had before ran 2040MHz @ 1000mV all day in games etc with zero issues as well.  That's a good point to aim for, that's Kingpin-stock boost clocks, at 1V, basically a +120 offset with an undervolt, on the regular 3090 FTW3.


    I did test an undervolt briefly but it is all new to me so unsure if I was doing it right.( I will research how to dial it in once the new PSU is in) I just adjusted the graph down slightly in MSI afterburner. It resulted in a massive wattage drop. I was running down to 350-360watts on 3dMark Timespy bench(it was previously 425-440) and in game and it didnt shut down the PC. I havent had time to mess with it much more than that  but it survived. It did bench about 2000 points lower though 19000 vs 21000(prior to undervolt) on 3Dmark Timespy Graphics scrore. 
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/05 16:00:25 (permalink)
    Yeah if you're just dragging the curve down you're lowering the clock probably a fair bit.
     
    Basic steps for an undervolt that should be pretty solid:
     
    Input a negative offset, something like -60MHz on the core.  Apply it.
    Bring up the voltage curve (ctrl+F)
    Find the point on the graph for 1000mV, drag it up to where it's level with 2040MHz - click apply, close the curve window.

    It should "just work" and result in lower power draw & temps, while giving you better than stock performance.  If it proves unstable, lower the clock to 2025 or 2010.  But I'm pretty sure every 3090 FTW3 should be able to run 2040MHz at either 1000mV or 1025mV with no issues.  That drop from "stock" voltage, which is 1062-1100mV, to 1000mV is a huge drop in power consumption, and lowers the "spikes" that are causing your shut downs as well.

    You do have to keep an eye on it though, sometimes the undervolt curve will spontaneously decide to jump up 15MHz after a reboot and that can cause crashing - I wouldn't recommend doing "Apply settings on start up", better to have them saved in a preset Profile position, and verify the clock is set correctly after you load it.
     
    You want the graph to look like a flat line from the point you set onwards, ala what is in the screenshot I posted earlier in the thread.

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/06 05:47:53 (permalink)
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    Yeah if you're just dragging the curve down you're lowering the clock probably a fair bit.
     
    Basic steps for an undervolt that should be pretty solid:
     
    Input a negative offset, something like -60MHz on the core.  Apply it.
    Bring up the voltage curve (ctrl+F)
    Find the point on the graph for 1000mV, drag it up to where it's level with 2040MHz - click apply, close the curve window.

    It should "just work" and result in lower power draw & temps, while giving you better than stock performance.  If it proves unstable, lower the clock to 2025 or 2010.  But I'm pretty sure every 3090 FTW3 should be able to run 2040MHz at either 1000mV or 1025mV with no issues.  That drop from "stock" voltage, which is 1062-1100mV, to 1000mV is a huge drop in power consumption, and lowers the "spikes" that are causing your shut downs as well.

    You do have to keep an eye on it though, sometimes the undervolt curve will spontaneously decide to jump up 15MHz after a reboot and that can cause crashing - I wouldn't recommend doing "Apply settings on start up", better to have them saved in a preset Profile position, and verify the clock is set correctly after you load it.
     
    You want the graph to look like a flat line from the point you set onwards, ala what is in the screenshot I posted earlier in the thread.




    That makes way more sense with the negative offset to start. I was dragging each dot down 1 by 1 which took forever lol. Thanks for the info. My replacement PSU arrives next Friday. But I am a bit worried now since the RMA info shows the replacement model # is the same exact GA model # I have now.  I am waiting to hear back from EVGA about that. 
     
    In the meantime, I will try this undervolt for sure. So what you are saying is. Do not have afterburner apply the settings at start, but I can allow it to boot with windows and then just manually select the profile I saved after every boot correct?
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/06 07:26:40 (permalink)
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    Yeah if you're just dragging the curve down you're lowering the clock probably a fair bit.
     
    Basic steps for an undervolt that should be pretty solid:
     
    Input a negative offset, something like -60MHz on the core.  Apply it.
    Bring up the voltage curve (ctrl+F)
    Find the point on the graph for 1000mV, drag it up to where it's level with 2040MHz - click apply, close the curve window.

    It should "just work" and result in lower power draw & temps, while giving you better than stock performance.  If it proves unstable, lower the clock to 2025 or 2010.  But I'm pretty sure every 3090 FTW3 should be able to run 2040MHz at either 1000mV or 1025mV with no issues.  That drop from "stock" voltage, which is 1062-1100mV, to 1000mV is a huge drop in power consumption, and lowers the "spikes" that are causing your shut downs as well.

    You do have to keep an eye on it though, sometimes the undervolt curve will spontaneously decide to jump up 15MHz after a reboot and that can cause crashing - I wouldn't recommend doing "Apply settings on start up", better to have them saved in a preset Profile position, and verify the clock is set correctly after you load it.
     
    You want the graph to look like a flat line from the point you set onwards, ala what is in the screenshot I posted earlier in the thread.


    Hey there Dabadger, I was reading over your above steps and had a question. What does the -60mhz offset accomplish? I have seen other do this and I think I am misunderstanding somthing. When I did my undervolt I just left the curve alone and adjusted only the point voltage I wanted to be max to the mhz I wanted. Should I be doing that offset?

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/06 08:58:24 (permalink)
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    As long as it's not a GA you should be fine.

    I just got a follow up email to this. So they are sending me the exact GA PSU. They stated that the issue with the GA has now been resolved and from here on out the exact replacement will be sent out. 
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/06 09:18:08 (permalink)
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    As long as it's not a GA you should be fine.

    I just got a follow up email to this. So they are sending me the exact GA PSU. They stated that the issue with the GA has now been resolved and from here on out the exact replacement will be sent out. 


    Well, as long as they fixed whatever the problem was (likely the secondary side of the PSU, the capacitors were too small and couldn't handle the instant power spikes causing shut down).
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/06 10:34:15 (permalink)
    in iracing, capping the FPS will get the power draw down too
    I ran a 850mv 1850hz undervolt in iracing at the Cup race in Kentucky last night as was pinned at 144 fps and was only pulling 265w (7680x1440) surround on .
    I would give it a try: open Afterburner and hit reset button
    Go to clock frequency button and drag it down -300 
    then hit Ctrl F to open frequency curve then  anywhere between 835-975 pick a voltage you want to run the gpu at , say select 875 and then click and drag the frequency back up to a normal boost clock rate 1830 hit apply then you will see the line go straight across, I then give it a +200 on the memory slider becuase its free speed on almost all of these cards, open up your favorite stress test or open up Kombustor, and see if its stable, you should be at least -100 watts less 
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/06 10:43:06 (permalink)
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    As long as it's not a GA you should be fine.

    I just got a follow up email to this. So they are sending me the exact GA PSU. They stated that the issue with the GA has now been resolved and from here on out the exact replacement will be sent out. 


    Well, as long as they fixed whatever the problem was (likely the secondary side of the PSU, the capacitors were too small and couldn't handle the instant power spikes causing shut down).




     
    Remains to be seen I suppose considering who the OEM is that built that model.
     
    Andyson doesn't exactly have a good reputation for building quality PSUs.
     
    And then the supposed change was awfully quick.
     
    And even with all of that there are no professional reviews, tear downs etc on the GA so it is still in question.
     
    A PSU is suspect until professional testing and tear downs are done.
     
    So we don't know if it's actually good or not.

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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/07 06:38:07 (permalink)
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    in iracing, capping the FPS will get the power draw down too
    I ran a 850mv 1850hz undervolt in iracing at the Cup race in Kentucky last night as was pinned at 144 fps and was only pulling 265w (7680x1440) surround on .
    I would give it a try: open Afterburner and hit reset button
    Go to clock frequency button and drag it down -300 
    then hit Ctrl F to open frequency curve then  anywhere between 835-975 pick a voltage you want to run the gpu at , say select 875 and then click and drag the frequency back up to a normal boost clock rate 1830 hit apply then you will see the line go straight across, I then give it a +200 on the memory slider becuase its free speed on almost all of these cards, open up your favorite stress test or open up Kombustor, and see if its stable, you should be at least -100 watts less 


    It sounds like you have a similar setup to me for iracing. I run 7680x1440p as well. I do cap FPS also. I will give your advice a try as well. I took Dabadgers advice on the undervolt. @ 100% power limit during a 3DMark Timespy stress it hovered around 350-360watts and 1815mhz clock speed. Didnt crash the PC. I havent tested in game as my weekends are busy for me to get on my rig. i will do some more testing once the PSU shows up on Friday. 
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    Re: EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 pulling 440watts and shutting down the PC. PSU issue? 2021/02/07 07:36:31 (permalink)
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    Yeah if you're just dragging the curve down you're lowering the clock probably a fair bit.
     
    Basic steps for an undervolt that should be pretty solid:
     
    Input a negative offset, something like -60MHz on the core.  Apply it.
    Bring up the voltage curve (ctrl+F)
    Find the point on the graph for 1000mV, drag it up to where it's level with 2040MHz - click apply, close the curve window.

    It should "just work" and result in lower power draw & temps, while giving you better than stock performance.  If it proves unstable, lower the clock to 2025 or 2010.  But I'm pretty sure every 3090 FTW3 should be able to run 2040MHz at either 1000mV or 1025mV with no issues.  That drop from "stock" voltage, which is 1062-1100mV, to 1000mV is a huge drop in power consumption, and lowers the "spikes" that are causing your shut downs as well.

    You do have to keep an eye on it though, sometimes the undervolt curve will spontaneously decide to jump up 15MHz after a reboot and that can cause crashing - I wouldn't recommend doing "Apply settings on start up", better to have them saved in a preset Profile position, and verify the clock is set correctly after you load it.
     
    You want the graph to look like a flat line from the point you set onwards, ala what is in the screenshot I posted earlier in the thread.


    Hey there Dabadger, I was reading over your above steps and had a question. What does the -60mhz offset accomplish? I have seen other do this and I think I am misunderstanding somthing. When I did my undervolt I just left the curve alone and adjusted only the point voltage I wanted to be max to the mhz I wanted. Should I be doing that offset?



    So I somehow missed this post until just now and actually answered him in PM, but I'm going to repost it here because the reasons I think it's done is actually a pretty important one, depending on what kind of undervolt you're running:
     
    It depends on the type of undervolt you're going for.  If you're going for super-low voltage with semi-stock clocks, the -60 part makes sure the entire curve is "under" what you're going to set clocks wise.
    If you're aiming for something more "up there" like 2040MHz @ 1000mV on a 3090 for example, you don't need to do that part I don't think, as the entire curve for the 3090 FTW3 is under 2040MHz.
     
    Basically the negative offset at the start is to make sure your "curve" is flat AFTER the point you set, to minimize the weird behavior.  I still get Afterburner occasionally letting the clock go 15MHz over what I set, which when I'm really pushing it, can result in a crash, since, if 15MHz higher was stable, I'd be running it 15MHz higher. lol
     
    For my card as an example, I have to do a slight negative offset to do 2100MHz @ 1025mV (one of my two very stable settings) because the top of my curve goes to 2115MHz otherwise, and that can cause it to step over what I have set.  If I'm testing my higher setting, which is going to be somewhere between 2145 @ 1050mV & 2160MHz @ 1068mV (basically stock voltage but with a nice OC), I don't need the negative offset, because the clock I'm setting is higher than the highest line of the curve.
     
    - Hope that helps anyone that has questions about that, as that's my understanding of why it's done/when it should be done and when it shouldn't.

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