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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 12:39:27 (permalink)
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Most likely but its weekend anyway. How does the RMA process work anyway if they don't even have stock for your card. Any idea?



It's quick and they say they hold stock for rma's.. no idea about elite cards though but possibly.

that's good to know. But they do state if found faulty they will exchange it for one deemed at equal standing or however they worded it. So mite just end up with a regular elite or ftw3.


Really don't see they could give you a regular elite or ftw3 as the elite 12ghz model costs more.. maybe they would give you a kingpin in exchange.

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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 12:49:38 (permalink)
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Most likely but its weekend anyway. How does the RMA process work anyway if they don't even have stock for your card. Any idea?



It's quick and they say they hold stock for rma's.. no idea about elite cards though but possibly.

that's good to know. But they do state if found faulty they will exchange it for one deemed at equal standing or however they worded it. So mite just end up with a regular elite or ftw3.


Really don't see they could give you a regular elite or ftw3 as the elite 12ghz model costs more.. maybe they would give you a kingpin in exchange.

Well I hope they have stock otherwise this pc will be useless for a long time. There's really not all that much price difference between regular elite and 12GHZ version like 30$. But kingpin there's a huge diff in price.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 12:50:53 (permalink)
Still going to do the tests tho cause my gaming weekend is pretty much ruined anyway unless I find a workaround.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 13:03:57 (permalink)
Must be nice.. for me it was like a $50 difference I believe. Payed $849.99 and came out to $900 after tax.

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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 13:08:16 (permalink)
I'm just going off their listings regular FTW3 Elite is listed at $819.99 and 12ghz $849.99 tbh at this point I just want a working card. Preferably the one I paid for of course, but I'd take either if there would be a long wait period if they throw in a free installed ftw3 hybrid kit jk :P
 
Prices in EU are much higher.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 13:09:54 (permalink)
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I'm just going off their listings regular FTW3 Elite is listed at $819.99 and 12ghz $849.99 tbh at this point I just want a working card. Preferably the one I paid for of course, but I'd take either if there would be a long wait period if they throw in a free installed ftw3 hybrid kit jk :P
 
Prices in EU are much higher.


Heh they might do that.. I believe ice heard another state as much with a free upgrade to hybrid model.

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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 13:18:45 (permalink)
Yeah only problem is I'd mount it on the back as exhaust and really don't want to loose my Bequiet 140mm fan there  only other option is to see if there's still space  on the top part of the case. But that's where the corsair h150i is currently set as intake which is 360mm radiator with 3 fans.  There would be space at the bottom but better having gravity do its work than making the pump work overtime.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 14:02:49 (permalink)
Hmm so just changed the Cable to PCIE 4 on PSU also switched the PSU to 4 rail. And ran furmark again. This time Orange screen full freeze no mini dump and had to force shut down.  In Furmark when it reached over the 88*C it gave up although the cards are rated for higher.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 14:23:49 (permalink)
Hmm so what you guys think should I just skip the thermal paste  and RMA?
Not even sure about EVGA policies will taking the stock heat sink and redoing the thermal paste void the warranty? They do have stickers  to check for tampering
 
Only other thing I haven't done yet is full windows clean install, but since its only crashing when the gpu is toggled it probably won't change much.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 14:33:42 (permalink)
"redoing the thermal paste void the warranty" No it will not Void Warranty.
The "sticker" is only used to let the Techs at EVGA know that the Cooler was removed and nothing else.
Run Fire Strike and 3DMark 11 and Post the Links to the Scores.
Do this at least 5 or 6 Times
One with NO settings set using PXOC or AB
One With the PXOC with the Voltage set to Max the GPU Power Set to Max and Temp to Max. Leave the Memory at the Default 0
One With the PXOC with the Voltage set to Max the GPU Power Set to Max and Temp to Max. Set the GPU to +20 & Leave the Memory at the Default 0
One With the PXOC with the Voltage set to Max the GPU Power Set to Max and Temp to Max. Set the GPU to +30 & Leave the Memory at the Default 0
One With the PXOC with the Voltage set to Max the GPU Power Set to Max and Temp to Max. Set the GPU to +40 & Leave the Memory at the Default 0
And so on until the Benchmark Crashes.
Then RESTART The Computer and start at the Last Setting that did not Cash and run them one more time.
All Set, now on the Memory if that what you want.
Start with your Last Good Know Benchmark.
One With the PXOC with the Voltage set to Max the GPU Power Set to Max and Temp to Max. Set the GPU to +40 & Set Memory at the +40
And so on.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 14:39:18 (permalink)
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"redoing the thermal paste void the warranty" No it will not Void Warranty.
The "sticker" is only used to let the Techs at EVGA know that the Cooler was removed and nothing else.


KK cheers. If the new batch of thermal paste gets here tomorrow I'll see if it works, if not I'll  start the RMA process on monday and just let EVGA do their thing. My mobo has an ez debug mode and it's showing no issues. PC only crashes when GPU is actually being used. So really just down to the GPU now.
 
No gaming this weekend and rest of next week I guess
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 14:42:38 (permalink)
It's prob bad.. the 2nd ftw3 elite I tried went quickly to 83c and would lock up and the fans would kick up from 100% to who knows bit way louder t hrn it locked.. an hour earlier it was fine so something went on it.

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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 14:53:57 (permalink)
Yeh I suppose I should have RMA straight away when it happened on Wednesday. The RMA process would be half done by now.  Now I'll have to wait until Monday just to start the RMA process and get the shipping labels. Or do they have Saturday business hours?
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 15:02:59 (permalink)
I would Start Now with a Support Ticket to start the RMA Process.

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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/02 15:20:21 (permalink)
Done and done.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/03 04:16:50 (permalink)
Hmm opened ticket and RMA none of which have been responded to. It will probably be Monday until I get a response.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/03 04:51:38 (permalink)
After i did shunt mods on 3 shunts and open the entire card up and new thermal paste for second time,  The card is very stable,  it is just air atm,  But 12 ghz from factory to 13.2=600 extra on vram with no issue,  and stable clocks at 2038 on air,   Need a block if the card should able to oc more cause of thermals,  The card on air stays under 60c on every sensor
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/03 05:08:53 (permalink)
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After i did shunt mods on 3 shunts and open the entire card up and new thermal paste for second time,  The card is very stable,  it is just air atm,  But 12 ghz from factory to 13.2=600 extra on vram with no issue,  and stable clocks at 2038 on air,   Need a block if the card should able to oc more cause of thermals,  The card on air stays under 60c on every sensor


Is it shunt mod that made it stable or the thermal paste? + wouldn't shunt mod void warranty anyway? My thermal paste just got here, but my card is at a point where it crashes even on low load now as long as it is being used and not idle, so it seems thermal paste will no longer help.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/03 05:17:54 (permalink)
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After i did shunt mods on 3 shunts and open the entire card up and new thermal paste for second time,  The card is very stable,  it is just air atm,  But 12 ghz from factory to 13.2=600 extra on vram with no issue,  and stable clocks at 2038 on air,   Need a block if the card should able to oc more cause of thermals,  The card on air stays under 60c on every sensor


Is it shunt mod that made it stable or the thermal paste? + wouldn't shunt mod void warranty anyway? My thermal paste just got here, but my card is at a point where it crashes even on low load now as long as it is being used and not idle, so it seems thermal paste will no longer help.


I think shunt mod did very stable,    Open up and se and redo the paste,  Take the memory plate off aswel and see if everything line up right,  Just use a tiny amount of paste on gpu.
Shunt mods works fine whiteout any problems if done right, Working for years
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/03 05:33:36 (permalink)
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After i did shunt mods on 3 shunts and open the entire card up and new thermal paste for second time,  The card is very stable,  it is just air atm,  But 12 ghz from factory to 13.2=600 extra on vram with no issue,  and stable clocks at 2038 on air,   Need a block if the card should able to oc more cause of thermals,  The card on air stays under 60c on every sensor


Is it shunt mod that made it stable or the thermal paste? + wouldn't shunt mod void warranty anyway? My thermal paste just got here, but my card is at a point where it crashes even on low load now as long as it is being used and not idle, so it seems thermal paste will no longer help.


I think shunt mod did very stable,    Open up and se and redo the paste,  Take the memory plate off aswel and see if everything line up right,  Just use a tiny amount of paste on gpu.
Shunt mods works fine whiteout any problems if done right, Working for years


Hmm I mean shunt mod seems simple enough, but not sure if it does void warranty or not. What state was your card in before you did both thermal paste and shunt mod. Was it crashing even on low load or just on max load?
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/03 05:38:14 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/03 05:39:29 (permalink)
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After i did shunt mods on 3 shunts and open the entire card up and new thermal paste for second time,  The card is very stable,  it is just air atm,  But 12 ghz from factory to 13.2=600 extra on vram with no issue,  and stable clocks at 2038 on air,   Need a block if the card should able to oc more cause of thermals,  The card on air stays under 60c on every sensor


Is it shunt mod that made it stable or the thermal paste? + wouldn't shunt mod void warranty anyway? My thermal paste just got here, but my card is at a point where it crashes even on low load now as long as it is being used and not idle, so it seems thermal paste will no longer help.


I think shunt mod did very stable,    Open up and se and redo the paste,  Take the memory plate off aswel and see if everything line up right,  Just use a tiny amount of paste on gpu.
Shunt mods works fine whiteout any problems if done right, Working for years


Hmm I mean shunt mod seems simple enough, but not sure if it does void warranty or not. What state was your card in before you did both thermal paste and shunt mod. Was it crashing even on low load or just on max load?


The card was fine, I never tested it before i did paste for first time, But before i had to underclock the memory, I may have did something wrong, But now it is stable
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/03 05:46:34 (permalink)
Ah I see. The thing is my card is crashing with no OC active even on low load. At first it was only on heavy load, but as time progressed it got worst and now is crashing even on low load within a few minutes. Therefore I'm thinking to just leave it untouched as it will quicken the RMA process since they will only have to stress test the card and not open up the card to check for user error.  It's more likely that some component on the board is defective, which is best left to EVGA.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/03 06:00:41 (permalink)
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"redoing the thermal paste void the warranty" No it will not Void Warranty.
The "sticker" is only used to let the Techs at EVGA know that the Cooler was removed and nothing else.
Run Fire Strike and 3DMark 11 and Post the Links to the Scores.
Do this at least 5 or 6 Times
One with NO settings set using PXOC or AB
One With the PXOC with the Voltage set to Max the GPU Power Set to Max and Temp to Max. Leave the Memory at the Default 0
One With the PXOC with the Voltage set to Max the GPU Power Set to Max and Temp to Max. Set the GPU to +20 & Leave the Memory at the Default 0
One With the PXOC with the Voltage set to Max the GPU Power Set to Max and Temp to Max. Set the GPU to +30 & Leave the Memory at the Default 0
One With the PXOC with the Voltage set to Max the GPU Power Set to Max and Temp to Max. Set the GPU to +40 & Leave the Memory at the Default 0
And so on until the Benchmark Crashes.
Then RESTART The Computer and start at the Last Setting that did not Cash and run them one more time.
All Set, now on the Memory if that what you want.
Start with your Last Good Know Benchmark.
One With the PXOC with the Voltage set to Max the GPU Power Set to Max and Temp to Max. Set the GPU to +40 & Set Memory at the +40
And so on.




 
Just ran 3DMark 11 no OC crashed within the first test. Haven't redone thermal paste yet, but at this point it won't make a diff I think.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/04 04:07:47 (permalink)
Last and final test went to pick up my old 970 GTX to test runs no issues. RMA the way to go.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/06 03:20:19 (permalink)
Hmm so finally got RMA approval. They actually expect you to ship the card without original packaging? I find this kind of a risky ordeal considering the way packages are handled by automated centers.  Also I thought they would actually organize the pick up for the RMA by post like Samsung does free of charge. Oh well glad I kept the box it came with and plenty of bubble wrap.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/12 12:12:01 (permalink)
So I just got my replacement card it runs fine, but I gotta say I'm surprised how the fans kick into 100% for a game 1080ti should not even have a problem running on 3440x1440 120fps.
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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/12 12:13:24 (permalink)
Shouldn't unless the temps are getting super high.. did you mess with the fan curves at all in pxoc?

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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/12 12:14:23 (permalink)
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shaolinn I have one of them cards on the way to test with and I will PM you with my findings.


What were your findings with this card? I'm itching to upgrade it to the ftw3 hybrid kit, the 3 fans are unbearably loud. Sadly only US seems to bet getting stock atm, while EU even the sales team can't tell me when they will get stock.


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Re: EVGA 1080TI FTW3 Elite (Crashing) 2018/02/12 12:18:33 (permalink)
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Shouldn't unless the temps are getting super high.. did you mess with the fan curves at all in pxoc?

No I left everything stock.  I think it's just the 12GHZ version just runs hot I guess making the fans kick into high gear. I can literally hear them through the headset. Sounds like my tower about to liftoff.

I just install EVGA Precision to edit the RGB lighting to the color I want and then uninstall it, as there's currently conflict between Corsair Link and Precision due to the sync feature added.
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