Nereus

Zuhl3156
As much as I was urged to boycot the Premium package, I purchased it because it was cheaper than buying each DLC package individually. Correct me if I'm wrong but if I didn't already own BF3 couldn't I have purchased Premium for $59.99 and still get all of the DLC included? I'm not sure but I think we all purchased the same game twice. BTW, if I wasn't currently boycotting BF3 for all of the AIMbotting, glitching and hacking, I wouldn't be lurking at these forums.

BF3 base is required for BF3 Premium to work... afaik lol.
I honestly was not aware EA were selling separately Back to Karkland, Close Quarters, Armored Kill, Aftermath and EndGame. Are they???
Yes, I despise hackers / cheaters..

I already owned Karkand and they are listed individually in the store but it says that "You already own this". If I hadn't bought Premium, I think Close Quarters could have been purchased seperately. It's too late for any Premium owners to find out, I think.

Remorce
And your point about the BF4 beta doesn't stand at all. They did the same thing with BF3. All it was, was a two week early access over others to the BF3 beta. They just tag it onto the MOH series because it doesn't sell as well. They are not ramming it down anybody's throats, they are just adding extra incentive to purchase a game series that typically doesn't sell as well as other FPS.

So yes, if somebody wants to go out and buy that game so they can get two weeks early access to a BETA then have at it. Its purely optional, and it doesn't exclude those who didn't pre order the game. It merely makes them wait a week or two.

So because they did it before that makes it ok now? LOL nah, I don't agree with that at all.
 
IF and only IF you are an avid BF fanatic, the only way you can get *first* access to BF4 Beta is by shelling out $60 for a different title that you may not want. That is fact that cannot be argued.
 
Calling it an incentive for MoH is straw man argument, plain and simple.
 
I still reiterate that the best beta testers for BF4 are BF3 players, so at least give BF4 Beta access to Premium owners without making them shell out even more money to avoid having *delayed* access to BF4 Beta.
 
Logically, the people who want access to BF4 Beta the most are BF players. There is no denying that EA are delaying Beta access to these users unless they buy MoH.
 

ARCTIC_EAGLE

WHAT YOU DARE TO QUESTION EA? I WILL KILL YOU!!!
that seems to be the opinion of many, they just want to thank EA (by doing favors of a TOS-violating nature) for the perfection that is BF3 and BF3: Premium. I, for one, love the horrible hit detection, terrible weapon balance, broken maps, crappy destruction, lack of VOIP, over charging, months between patches, crappy DLC content, over powered sun, horrible mechanics, EA existing......

LMAO.. Can always trust Arctic_Eagle not to hold anything back.
 
 

Remorce

Its not a "straw man" argument. It is a clear incentive to buy MOH early lol. I know many people who did that for BF3. 

Is two weeks seriously that big of a deal to throw a fit over?

I'm not throwing a fit. Why are you so defensive? If you knew what a straw man argument was, then you'd know my response was a valid one.  I think Artic_Eagle responded best - trying to argue logic with an apparent fanboy is an exercise in futility lol.
 
 

Zuhl3156

Nereus

ARCTIC_EAGLE

WHAT YOU DARE TO QUESTION EA? I WILL KILL YOU!!!
that seems to be the opinion of many, they just want to thank EA (by doing favors of a TOS-violating nature) for the perfection that is BF3 and BF3: Premium. I, for one, love the horrible hit detection, terrible weapon balance, broken maps, crappy destruction, lack of VOIP, over charging, months between patches, crappy DLC content, over powered sun, horrible mechanics, EA existing......

LMAO.. Can always trust Arctic_Eagle not to hold anything back.

He forgot the specks and streaks in your eyes even when you don't wear the goggles.

Oh.. so crazy inflamed red eyes isn't normal? lol
 

I'm not even remotely a fanboy of BF3, and most certainly not one of EA. What my gripe here is, you appear to be flipping out mildly upset over something that hasn't changed, and in fact has gotten cheaper, in over 7 years. 
 
What I am arguing is that the expansions are not over priced, as they are cheaper than prior expansions to the BF series, and that tagging BF4 early beta access onto MOH is not some insane unjust business practice. 
 
Just cause I don't agree with your stance, does not make me a fanboy of either franchise.

tet5uo 
Again, shoo with your logical and reasonable posts! This is the thread for baseless rants! 

 
Fine

Wow! This really is a rant!
P.S. I'm lovin' every minute of it!

 
Artic_Eagle gets the most helpful post award, lol.
 
I've acknowledged that my OP about the Premium package pricing was somewhat invalidated because I did not realize these were also being released individually. We are all still accepting on faith that the future content will live up to the price tag though, and again, this is the first time I've ever paid for DLC/EP a year in advance. That is certainly not normal practice, as far as I'm aware.
 
If for some reason you can't acknowledge the fact that BF players are being denied access having access delayed (same thing) to the BF4 Beta unless they buy the new MoH title, then I can't help you - it's a clear cut fact, no matter how you try to spin it or what reasons you have to justify it. Just because EA have done it before does not make it ok, imo. Yes it's a business practice designed to make them more money at the expense of their own clients... if you have not even the slightest question about that, then I assume you have more dollars than sense.. lol.
 
Think I'm done here.
 

Isn't releasing the last DLC content for BF3 after the release of BF4 just a little un-ethical? 

Nereus

Zuhl3156
If I'm forced to buy another MoH game for early access to BF4 couldn't EA at least use all of the same key bindings instead of making me learn new ones for every game? Silly idea?

Damn good idea I think

I thought so after trying MW3 and fumbling through the whole match!

Remorce

I like to argue. Why I'm majoring in Computer Engineering and not law, i'll never know. 

Plus I thought your statement was wrong and I argue anything that I think is wrong.

That sounds like something a lawyer would say. Maybe you could get an honorary degree in law? Don't argue with me about it!

Zuhl3156

If I'm forced to buy another MoH game for early access to BF4 couldn't EA at least use all of the same key bindings instead of making me learn new ones for every game? Silly idea?

 
Is early access something that you will die if you don't get? Will your family be kidnapped and held unless you buy MOH?
 
They aren't forcing you to do a thing. They're providing some incentive to those who might think about the purchase and who don't mind the expenditure.
 
If that's not you, then don't buy it? I seriously don't see what the problem is here...

 
Maybe it's just the way I express myself? When I have an opinion, I try to back up with facts, reasoning and logic. I don't always succeed, but I try. In this OP I stated up front it was a rant, which to me means it's likely to be emotionally charged, which clearly can skew rational thought. I often see responses (not just talking about this thread btw) that are pure emotion with no reasoning whatsoever, or just a statement "because you are wrong" lol, so maybe there's something in the way I express my opinion that somehow incites this kind of response... I don't know. Heck, it's just my opinion - you're entitled to your own opinion, doesn't mean I'm wrong or you're wrong - it's just how we view things. If someone presents an argument that gives me reason to reconsider my opinion, then I'm open to it (unless it's immersed in abuse and personal attacks lol). *shrug*. Best I can do is agree to disagree.
 
I recall in university a psychology class I took (not my major btw) delved into Kohlbergs moral stages. Turns out after testing the entire class, I was right at the very highest level (highest does not necessarily mean best btw) - so I found certain situations morally wrong that many did not. I have no idea why though - I'm not some religious fanatic or anything, but I do have a very strong set of moral ethics.. sometimes it works for me, sometimes it works against me, but it may explain why I find EA's business practices offensive, whereas some do not. Yes?
 
 

Nereus

 
Call it an expansion pack instead of DLC if you wish, but even expansion packs are normally not as expensive as the base game - except for this case.

 
BF2 was $40 or $50(cant remember exactly)
special forces was $30
the 2 x-packs where $15 each
 
so all the extras to BF2 cost more than the base game when combined by 10 to 20 dollars. The premium is 10 less than the base game.
 
The only problem with the premium for BF3 is the server que priority. Other than that its not really a bad deal if you planed to get all the DLC anyways.