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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/03/07 12:14:27 (permalink)
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There's no plastic wrap on the cpu cooler, and nothing else looks suspicious inside the case. The build looks quite professional to me, neater probably than I'd do it myself.
 
I heard back once from EVGA support. One of the suggestions was to try the GPU card in another system, but I don't have another system that can handle this GPU. He also provided info on how to test a PSU. Search for "How can I check my power supply's 12v rail voltage" on evga fan (I can't include the URL in these posts). I attached a digital multimeter to a cable near the back of the motherboard to measure the 12V rail voltages under heavy load (Unigine Heaven 4.0). At rest, it was 12.02V. The lowest I saw under load was 11.94V. It mostly fluctuated very slightly between 11.95V and 11.98V while running the benchmark. The PSU is fine, I think. While it's a cheap 1000W single rail design, the voltage appears rock solid under load. I've always thought that PSU's are important, but they've become more or less a commodity item. I don't buy gold-plated Monster Cables for audio applications, for the same reason as I'm usually OK with using a very ordinary PSU. The voltage measurements seem to agree with that, but I agree such a PSU may be more likely to fail than a fancier one. The single rail design by itself isn't an issue normally (??), but a multiple rail design could isolate the motherboard voltages from transients introduced by the GPU (which could actually reflect a hardware problem with the GPU). I just don't know whether insisting on multiple rails is analogous to insisting on expensive Monster Cable for your stereo.
 
What I have tried is to switch graphics cards in this CyberpowerPC system to a Sapphire Radeon RX 580 I yanked from an old Mac Pro. The Unigine Heaven 4.0 runs at a much slower frame rate, but the system has stayed up for 1 hour. The CPU temp with this $195 late 2019 graphics card is around 52 deg C, while the GPU is running around 70 deg C. It appears stable, which I can't say for the RTX 3080 GPU.
 
So thanks for all the great info. I'm thinking that an RMA for the EVGA RTX 3080 GPU is the next step, but will wait to hear back again from evga support. I've seen so many concerning articles that make it sound like these RTX 30 series card have various hardware issues, including "bad capacitors" in some early boards. I hope it wasn't a mistake to choose a bleeding edge NVidia card. I'm hoping to experiment with some deep learning and GPCPU (CUDA or OpenCL). I'm really not a gamer, but the gaming-related benchmarks like Unigine Heaven 4.0 are quite cool to watch. It certainly does turn a PC into a toaster oven   ;-)
 
 




One thing though is that the GPU you switched to does not draw anything near the power of the 3080 you currently have.  I'm not saying it's the power supply, but if  you aren't pushing the power supply with the replacement GPU then you can't rule out the PSU either.  If you know you have a substandard PSU and are willing to invest in a new one then I'd do that anyway before you send it in.  The PSU is a often overlooked item that really affects your performance and stability of your system.  It's not flashy, but when you try to save money there on a performance rig you are asking for issues down the line at some point.  You might like your cable management now, but if the card comes back and you still have problems or you change out your power supply then you are going to need to do the cable management anyway.  If you are worried about cable management, you might want to get cable extension from companies like cable mods.  These extend the wires and the wires are individually sleeved which is nicer in appearance but also to manage since they are more flexible and can tuck more of the stock PSU wires behind the case.  
 
As far as rebuilding the PC, it really isn't that hard to do.  Most of the hard work has already been done.  Finding the parts is the most time consuming now, then the drivers and operating system which is already installed on the drives, so there really isn't much.  You can learn a lot by watching various youtube videos.  Robeytech on you tube is a builder that has tons of videos of various builds.  I would say watch a few and see how he does his cable management.  For most beginners the way he does his cable management is more than enough.  While I'm not a big fan of his cable management, he does a decent job at it and it is more than acceptable.
 
 

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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/03/09 10:32:06 (permalink)
I received an email reply yesterday from Apevia (PSU vendor), after asking about the PSU model I have. I quote "The 1000W Prestige that you have and the one that is on our Web site are functionally the same unit. There is no difference between them. We do not have a UL certificate for that model power supply but it is 80+ rated and is able to be sold in the United States. In regards to the cables, the setup is by design."  The final sentence is commenting about the single rail design.  It is BY DESIGN, and so long as the RTX 3080 card doesn't specifically require a multiple rail PSU, I'm not going to worry about it. The PSU is fine, whether I have a video card drawing no more than 350W (RTX 3080), or a cheaper one like the Radeon RX 580 drawing not much more than 300W. This PSU has plenty of current/power capacity for either one.
 
As I wrote earlier, I carefully measured the 12V rail voltages during the Unigine Heaven 4.0 benchmark, with the RTX 3080 card. The voltage was very steady, mostly between about 11.95 and 11.98V. I saw nothing lower than 11.94V. If it's not the PSU, I'm not going to replace it "just for fun".
 
I have RMA approval from EVGA to send them the card. Once I have some anti-static bags, I'll ship it to them. Advanced RMA (mentioned in this thread) isn't available right now, probably because of the abnormal supply & demand situation for these video cards.
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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/03/09 10:39:10 (permalink)
P.S. I heard this (and only this) back from CyberpowerPC about 4 days ago (reply email):  "Your request (...) has been received and is being reviewed by our support staff.
Overwhelming Demand - Custom PC Configuration Order (Excluding Instant Ship Systems) can expect to be shipped between 4 to 7 weeks after purchase date. Please keep this in mind, in regards to your order status questions. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
Here are some great articles that may help:   ..."
 
For those of you considering a CyberpowerPC, the build quality itself looks fine, but you may not receive much in the way of timely support from them, if you need it. EVGA support responded to every query I sent within a few hours. And they approved the RMA pretty quickly too, after I supplied all of the evidence. I'll update the thread about how the RMA itself goes.
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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/03/09 13:02:07 (permalink)
Yikes, that sucks for warranty wait time response. 

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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/03/09 13:09:58 (permalink)
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As I wrote earlier, I carefully measured the 12V rail voltages during the Unigine Heaven 4.0 benchmark, with the RTX 3080 card. The voltage was very steady, mostly between about 11.95 and 11.98V. I saw nothing lower than 11.94V. If it's not the PSU, I'm not going to replace it "just for fun".
 



If I may ask, if you are worthy to wield a multimeter responsibly, which is what I infer here, you have more than sufficient acumen for building a PC from components. Why did you go boutique? Was it solely a means of bypassing retail supply constraints?

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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/03/09 14:23:36 (permalink)
I think he mentioned already he had to buy it because of product availability.

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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/04/12 19:18:57 (permalink)
Just a quick update on this.  I RMA'ed the EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming card, and installed a replacement board.  The system crashes remained.
After consulting with EVGA support once again, they stated that the replacement board passes all of their tests, and suspected it might be my cheap PSU.
So, I have bought and installed a Corsair AX850 80 Plus Titanium PSU (NOT cheap), to replace the cheap Apevia ATX-PR1000W.
Surprise of surprises - the crashes still remain.
 
So, after replacing both the GPU and PSU, I'm right back where I started.  The system is stable under light load.  After about 10 minutes of torture
testing with Unigine Heaven 4.0, and reaching GPU temps around 83-84 deg C, the system crashes, pointing at the CPU (which really means nothing).
I don't think there's anything wrong with this CPU.  The system stays up indefinitely with Unigine Heaven 4.0 (though running more slowly) and
a Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX-580 GPU I have lying around.
 
I am currently thinking there may still be some kind of design flaw with the NVidia Ampere architecture cards, or the EVGA incarnation of same.
If anyone has any ingenious insights to add, I'm all ears.
 
Dave Oshinsky
 
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(New PSU replacing: Apevia ATX-PR1000W 1000W 80 Plus Gold ATX12V Power Supply)
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GPU-Z log excerpt leading up to crash with replacement GPU after RMA, and new Corsair AX850 PSU:
        Date        , GPU Clock [MHz] , Memory Clock [MHz] , GPU Temperature [°C] , Hot Spot [°C] , Memory Temperature [°C] , Fan 1 Speed (%) [%] , Fan 1 Speed (RPM) [RPM] , Fan 2 Speed (%) [%] , Fan 2 Speed (RPM) [RPM] , Memory Used [MB] , GPU Load [%] , Memory Controller Load [%] , Video Engine Load [%] , Bus Interface Load [%] , Board Power Draw [W] , GPU Chip Power Draw [W] , MVDDC Power Draw [W] , PWR_SRC Power Draw [W] , PWR_SRC Voltage [V] , PCIe Slot Power [W] , PCIe Slot Voltage [V] , 8-Pin #1 Power [W] , 8-Pin #1 Voltage [V] , 8-Pin #2 Power [W] , 8-Pin #2 Voltage [V] , 8-Pin #3 Power [W] , 8-Pin #3 Voltage [V] , Power Consumption (%) [% TDP] , PerfCap Reason [] , GPU Voltage [V] , EVGA iCX GPU2 [°C] , EVGA iCX MEM1 [°C] , EVGA iCX MEM2 [°C] , EVGA iCX MEM3 [°C] , EVGA iCX PWR1 [°C] , EVGA iCX PWR2 [°C] , EVGA iCX PWR3 [°C] , EVGA iCX PWR4 [°C] , EVGA iCX PWR5 [°C] , EVGA iCX Right Fan [RPM] , CPU Temperature [°C] , System Memory Used [MB] ,
2021-04-12 18:20:05 ,         525.0   ,            625.2   ,               45.3   ,        55.8   ,                  56.0   ,                 0   ,                     0   ,                 0   ,                     0   ,           1872   ,         38   ,                       10   ,                   0   ,                    0   ,               78.1   ,                  21.3   ,               36.1   ,                 42.8   ,              12.2   ,               4.8   ,                12.1   ,             29.7   ,               12.2   ,             34.9   ,               12.2   ,              8.6   ,               12.2   ,                        20.6   ,              16   ,        0.7250   ,               44   ,               45   ,               46   ,               45   ,               40   ,               42   ,               45   ,               45   ,               41   ,                      0   ,               37.4   ,                  4322   ,
2021-04-12 18:20:06 ,         525.0   ,            625.2   ,               45.3   ,        55.7   ,                  56.0   ,                 0   ,                     0   ,                 0   ,                     0   ,           1872   ,         37   ,                       10   ,                   0   ,                    0   ,               78.1   ,                  21.3   ,               36.1   ,                 42.7   ,              12.2   ,               4.8   ,                12.1   ,             29.7   ,               12.2   ,             35.0   ,               12.2   ,              8.6   ,               12.2   ,                        20.6   ,              16   ,        0.7250   ,               44   ,               45   ,               46   ,               45   ,               40   ,               42   ,               45   ,               45   ,               42   ,                      0   ,               36.8   ,                  4327   ,
2021-04-12 18:20:07 ,         495.0   ,            625.2   ,               45.9   ,        56.1   ,                  56.0   ,                 0   ,                     0   ,                 0   ,                     0   ,           1872   ,         38   ,                       10   ,                   0   ,                    0   ,               77.9   ,                  21.2   ,               36.1   ,                 42.7   ,              12.2   ,               4.8   ,                12.1   ,             29.7   ,               12.2   ,             34.9   ,               12.2   ,              8.5   ,               12.2   ,                        20.5   ,              16   ,        0.7250   ,               44   ,               45   ,               46   ,               45   ,               40   ,               42   ,               45   ,               45   ,               42   ,                      0   ,               36.1   ,                  4325   ,
......
2021-04-12 18:29:01 ,        1860.0   ,           1187.7   ,               83.2   ,        93.5   ,                  92.0   ,                81   ,                  2194   ,                81   ,                  2194   ,           1858   ,         99   ,                       42   ,                   0   ,                    0   ,              364.0   ,                 204.5   ,               56.8   ,                 82.3   ,              12.7   ,              43.3   ,                12.0   ,            119.7   ,               12.1   ,            136.0   ,               12.1   ,             65.0   ,               12.2   ,                        95.8   ,               1   ,        1.0060   ,               80   ,               77   ,               73   ,               77   ,               70   ,               75   ,               81   ,               79   ,               71   ,                   2192   ,               62.6   ,                  4521   ,
2021-04-12 18:29:02 ,        1860.0   ,           1187.7   ,               83.3   ,        93.7   ,                  92.0   ,                81   ,                  2194   ,                81   ,                  2194   ,           1858   ,         99   ,                       42   ,                   0   ,                    0   ,              367.0   ,                 206.2   ,               57.3   ,                 82.9   ,              12.7   ,              43.6   ,                12.0   ,            120.6   ,               12.1   ,            137.2   ,               12.1   ,             65.5   ,               12.2   ,                        96.6   ,               1   ,        1.0250   ,               80   ,               77   ,               73   ,               77   ,               70   ,               75   ,               81   ,               79   ,               71   ,                   2194   ,               62.4   ,                  4521   ,
2021-04-12 18:29:03 ,        1845.0   ,           1187.7   ,               82.9   ,        93.1   ,                  94.0   ,                81   ,                  2194   ,                81   ,                  2194   ,           1858   ,         99   ,                       42   ,                   0   ,                    0   ,              355.3   ,                 197.8   ,               58.4   ,                 83.0   ,              12.6   ,              41.7   ,                12.0   ,            117.0   ,               12.1   ,            133.7   ,               12.1   ,             63.0   ,               12.2   ,                        93.5   ,               1   ,        0.9870   ,               80   ,               77   ,               73   ,               77   ,               70   ,               75   ,               81   ,               79   ,               71   ,                   2199   ,               62.0   ,                  4521   ,
2021-04-12 18:29:04 ,        1845.0   ,           1187.7   ,               83.1   ,        93.3   ,                  94.0   ,                81   ,                  2194   ,                81   ,                  2190   ,           1858   ,         99   ,                       41   ,                   0   ,                    0   ,              373.0   ,                 215.3   ,               56.5   ,                 82.9   ,              12.7   ,              43.4   ,                12.0   ,            119.7   ,               12.1   ,            136.9   ,               12.1   ,             66.3   ,               12.2   ,                        96.4   ,               2   ,        0.9750   ,               80   ,               77   ,               73   ,               77   ,               70   ,               75   ,               81   ,               79   ,               71   ,                   2219   ,               61.8   ,                  4521   ,


 
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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/04/12 23:09:38 (permalink)
Cpu and ram are next on the replacement list. 😆
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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/04/13 21:06:10 (permalink)
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They are not bad at all, just have to select the right hardware. Love mine and its the first system I have ever bought built to order after building my own pc's over the past thirty  years.

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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/04/13 23:36:29 (permalink)
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Cpu and ram are next on the replacement list. 😆



 
Yep....has the OP ran  Memtest yet...havent read the entire thread.

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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/04/14 03:51:54 (permalink)
When I see things like:
 
"WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR (124)
A fatal hardware error has occurred. Parameter 1 identifies the type of error
source that reported the error. Parameter 2 holds the address of the
WHEA_ERROR_RECORD structure that describes the error conditon.
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000000000, Machine Check Exception
Arg2: ffffc182cfe52028, Address of the WHEA_ERROR_RECORD structure.
Arg3: 00000000bc800800, High order 32-bits of the MCi_STATUS value.
Arg4: 00000000060c0859, Low order 32-bits of the MCi_STATUS value."
 
and
 
"FAILURE_ID_HASH:  {a44f54e5-033f-6603-b3e9-4b506acba551}"
 
The GPU isn't really what comes to mind.  So I started doing google searches line by line to see what kinds of things came up.  Which really doesn't seem to point to a GPU problem but... I do understand why you feel that it is.
 
As to the 3000 series Nvidia cards and to be specific the EVGA.  I haven't seen any plague of issues that present like this and your post seem to indicate that you do think there is a problem.  The general problem has been the red light of death.  I've had my 3080 FTW3 Ultra since October of last year for reference.
 
Searching through the errors listed in your OP ranged from a driver conflict (doesn't seem likely for you), to an issue with the ram a poster had and XMP (AMD Boards either have XMP other an AMD named version) being enabled.  Then there was a bunch of posts about Ryzen 5000 series specific issues with the errors you have above.  All of these things were causing crashes, WHEA Errors and/or BSOD.  Personally I don't have a Ryzen 5000 series so I can't comment on that.
 
Some of the 5000 issues were solved with newer AGESA and some with RMA.  Most of your posts indicated that you were getting your drivers through windows update.  Have you tried the newest drivers from Nvidia, AMD or say the newest bios for your motherboard?
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Re: CyberpowerPC with EVGA RTX 3080 card Crashing 2021/04/14 20:02:08 (permalink)
To add to the last post, a lot of issues since you have a CPPC their bios’s on a lot of AMD chipset boards are from last year. Get the latest bios for your board, set your ram speeds manually afterwards in the bios. Have helped a few on their discord having them do exactly that updating their bios. I also have them swap out the garbage PSU’s many select.

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