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Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation!

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2016/12/24 14:52:01 (permalink)
I apologize for the overly dramatic title of this thread.  Yet somehow it seems a bit apropos.  I thought that I was prepared to do the mod install but upon getting into it it turned out to be a little more involved than I had suspected.  But never mind that.
 
What really prompted my desire to start this thread was to complete the saga of the "waiting" (https://youtu.be/dj3z8LX1T9k) and the "arrival" (https://youtu.be/gGcDVJ6ChdY) with the "installation"! 
And...I didn't expect the video to be so...long.  54 minutes.  Whew.  But, I just didn't want to skip anything in the interests of those who might have real trepidation about trying something like this for themselves. I covered all the bases:  Yes the unopened box was on a shelf behind where I usually sit.  And in a way, I wanted to demystify the process of not only doing the install but something of what it takes to create a video like this in the first place!  And...I tried to inject a touch of humour and reality into it as well.  I don't know if I succeeded, or merely ended up demonstrating how to be somewhat pathetic during the whole experience, lol.  I guess that's ultimately for you to judge should you choose to watch it -- and yes, while I'm being a bit self deprecating, there is a touch of something pathetic about it; a small soupçon of schadenfreude we all endure from time to time.  Hopefully, we can rise to the occasion if it isn't too serious, perhaps find some humour to lighten the load.
 
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/24 15:25:47 (permalink)
    I watched a other video, and there they didnt do the 3 smaller strips around the GPU chip. Should i still apply them?
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/24 15:33:46 (permalink)
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    I watched a other video, and there they didnt do the 3 smaller strips around the GPU chip. Should i still apply them?

    I would, yes.  The earlier kit didn't have the VRAM pads included -- it's still officially an optional addition but if you have the chance and the time, why not?

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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/24 16:32:30 (permalink)
    Yeah, ive aplied them a well. First time the base plate didn't come off, so thats why i didnt bother and the video didnt show it. But this time a litle jerk was enough to get it off. Thanks for the video by the way.
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/24 17:25:00 (permalink)
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    Yeah, ive aplied them a well. First time the base plate didn't come off, so thats why i didnt bother and the video didnt show it. But this time a litle jerk was enough to get it off. Thanks for the video by the way.

    Glad it worked out for you.  And thanks too. 

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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/27 01:51:52 (permalink)
    So what I understand from this video is that the thermal pads you got for the VRAM are too thin? Because I got the same thickness aswell as the ones that are already on there... What is the point in replacing them then? (Sorry I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to pc building and before I go on this endeavour I need to know :D . From whatching your video alone I get the chills, hope I won't screw up anything :/
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/27 13:54:27 (permalink)
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    So what I understand from this video is that the thermal pads you got for the VRAM are too thin? Because I got the same thickness aswell as the ones that are already on there... What is the point in replacing them then? (Sorry I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to pc building and before I go on this endeavour I need to know :D . From watching your video alone I get the chills, hope I won't screw up anything :/



    Yeah, they sent me 1mm VRAM pads which didn't make much sense really.  I don't know if it was just me or what, but I would think that if the ones in place aren't making contact then they aren't thick enough.  That actually surprised me!  Well, after thinking about it I figure one thing to do is that if the old ones didn't make contact then just leave them in place and add the new ones directly to the chips as instructed then when the plate is replaced you end up making a two layer (1mm + 1mm) pad that should make good contact and be sufficient. The ones they have in place and pads in the kit are pretty compressible (more so than that Thermal Grizzly 8-pad stuff) so I'm sure it'll be good.
     
    My 2mm pads look to making good contact -- I am actually typing this on my new computer that I built (FINALLY!!! - I'll be posting a build video to my channel in a week or so) and everything is running copacetic (except some odd baloney during sleep mode I need to track down and cure).
     
    So, yeah, while I can understand the trepidation, I think I made it look harder than it was/is just because I was scared myself and nervous because of the filming.  In the end it all went pretty well and I don't think this mod is the last word in 'daunting' by any means. 
     
    So, in the end, this is a decent experience to build up a little skill because the risk to you is low -- you're still covered by EVGA so that should take a load off right there!
     
    Best of luck, I hope you give it a go and didn't let my video 'chill the spine' too much.

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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/27 14:00:29 (permalink)
    Thanks so much for the reply. I will give this a try tommorow! 
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/28 07:38:53 (permalink)
    It took me 2 hours :D But so far it seems like I did it right. I took all the steps on the 3 manual papers. And I took your advice to apply the VRAM pads on top of the other 1 mm ones. It looks like they are connected now. It was a real hassle though to apply the thermal paste and make it touch the heatsink. 
     
    I played a bit of Battlefield 1 just yet and it looks like it runs on 66-70 degrees celcius now instead of 76 like it did before. Hopefully it will stay like that. 

    Also I found something weird. You said you had a geforce 1070ftw aswell right? In your video I saw you had 4 of those transistors on that place while my card has 2. Weird isn't it?
     


    Anyway your video was helpfull thanks for that!
     
     
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/28 11:42:57 (permalink)
    I didnt apply the newer pads on top of the others, since the manual told to remove them. And they still look connected from the side though, when the plates are screwed thight that is. And the card temps now run from 55 to 67(max) on the 1080 FTW. Instead of 75, a huge improvement. But i was told that vram have no sensor to check that area, so im not sure. But i got a good feeling about it. Hopefully EVGA learned their lesson with thisAlthought ive enjoyed the experience of finnally opening a graphics card.
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/28 13:55:41 (permalink)
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    It took me 2 hours :D But so far it seems like I did it right. I took all the steps on the 3 manual papers. And I took your advice to apply the VRAM pads on top of the other 1 mm ones. It looks like they are connected now. It was a real hassle though to apply the thermal paste and make it touch the heatsink. 
     
    I played a bit of Battlefield 1 just yet and it looks like it runs on 66-70 degrees celcius now instead of 76 like it did before. Hopefully it will stay like that. 

    Also I found something weird. You said you had a geforce 1070ftw aswell right? In your video I saw you had 4 of those transistors on that place while my card has 2. Weird isn't it?
     


    Anyway your video was helpfull thanks for that!



    First, I'm glad the video helped, so you're welcome and nolo problemo!
    Second, I have the 1080, if I said 1070 somewhere in the video, I misspoke and apologize; nerves again probably.
    And third, I hope like heck the paste is making contact with my heatsink, lol, 'cause I don't want to tear it down again for a very long time if ever!  But I found it tough to line up the spring screws for the heatsink but when I finally did and they went in I'm sure everything fit together snugly.  So fingers crossed.
    At any rate, I'm still shaking down this new rig before buttoning it up and calling it done.  So far so good and only minor problems so far.

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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/28 14:04:39 (permalink)
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    I didnt apply the newer pads on top of the others, since the manual told to remove them. And they still look connected from the side though, when the plates are screwed thight that is. And the card temps now run from 55 to 67(max) on the 1080 FTW. Instead of 75, a huge improvement. But i was told that vram have no sensor to check that area, so im not sure. But i got a good feeling about it. Hopefully EVGA learned their lesson with thisAlthought ive enjoyed the experience of finnally opening a graphics card.



    If you're following the instructions as given exactly then obviously no harm, no foul.  I had the extra bit of Grizzly pad there and to me in just seemed to make sense to have the thicker pad -- I noticed too, by the way, that the original screws weren't torqued very much at all; almost loose like.  When I re-screwed everything I tightened them up more then they were originally - not to say I over tightened them, you know what I mean - just that tiny bit of extra English on them.
    Anyway, as I said above, I'm still shaking down this build so will be looking forward to checking the temps down the road for sure -- certainly before I put any kind of load on the card.
     
    And yeah, now that it's said and done I enjoyed the little project too -- cool to be able to say I disassembled the card and installed a thermal mitigation modification, lol.

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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/28 14:19:32 (permalink)
    :-) Yup brought down my temps by 6 degrees celcius! Played the whole evening.  Indeed the screws were not that tight when I unscrewed them. I hope your temps will be fine once you test your card. Good luck!
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/28 18:35:29 (permalink)
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    So what I understand from this video is that the thermal pads you got for the VRAM are too thin? Because I got the same thickness aswell as the ones that are already on there... What is the point in replacing them then? (Sorry I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to pc building and before I go on this endeavour I need to know :D . From watching your video alone I get the chills, hope I won't screw up anything :/



    Yeah, they sent me 1mm VRAM pads which didn't make much sense really.  I don't know if it was just me or what, but I would think that if the ones in place aren't making contact then they aren't thick enough.  That actually surprised me!  Well, after thinking about it I figure one thing to do is that if the old ones didn't make contact then just leave them in place and add the new ones directly to the chips as instructed then when the plate is replaced you end up making a two layer (1mm + 1mm) pad that should make good contact and be sufficient. The ones they have in place and pads in the kit are pretty compressible (more so than that Thermal Grizzly 8-pad stuff) so I'm sure it'll be good.
     
    My 2mm pads look to making good contact -- I am actually typing this on my new computer that I built (FINALLY!!! - I'll be posting a build video to my channel in a week or so) and everything is running copacetic (except some odd baloney during sleep mode I need to track down and cure).
     
    So, yeah, while I can understand the trepidation, I think I made it look harder than it was/is just because I was scared myself and nervous because of the filming.  In the end it all went pretty well and I don't think this mod is the last word in 'daunting' by any means. 
     
    So, in the end, this is a decent experience to build up a little skill because the risk to you is low -- you're still covered by EVGA so that should take a load off right there!
     
    Best of luck, I hope you give it a go and didn't let my video 'chill the spine' too much.




    I understand why you did that, but two things. First is obvious - remove the old pads first.
     
    Second and not widely publizised: Using two thermal pads to thicken causes the performance of the pads to drop much more than using a single pad. (1mm + 1mm - not ideal. 2mm pad - best way.) I guess it's because the exact materials of different pads are slightly different, chance of micro air bubbles, plus, simply an extra heat transfer point (between pads).
     
    The reasons I listed are just my opinion, so may be wrong. But it is not wrong that using one thermal pad, instead of two to make up the difference is not optimal. (Lost the link, read along time ago, sorry).
     
    Again, just my opinion: There must be some improvement as contact is now made.
    I guess it's not worth re-doing it, but that is 100% users choice.
    In your case I doubt any problems will be caused. Just the fix is not as efficient as it could be.

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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/28 18:54:28 (permalink)
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    Using two thermal pads to thicken causes the performance of the pads to drop much more than using a single pad.


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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/28 19:02:39 (permalink)
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    Using two thermal pads to thicken causes the performance of the pads to drop much more than using a single pad.


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    Stacking pads is definitely less thermally efficient than a single pad




    That isn't particularly the question though.  If the only other option is a single pad that doesn't make contact with whatever is the heatsink then it's hardly a debatable point.  However, with that understanding, if one had the choice one would obviously choose a single layer over two -- if in both cases the pad(s) make sufficient contact with the heatsink.  However, if the single pad doesn't or can't make contact with the heatsink (the term heatsink in this case is used in the sense of whatever is dissipating the heat from the pad, not the designated heatsink.  Anything can be called a heatsink if that is what it does ) then doubling up in order to make contact is a solution.  Not necessarily the best or only solution.
     
    edit:  I should have mentioned the decrease in efficiency to Pr00f when I offered that mitigation.  I was only thinking about the need to make contact at all so that didn't occur to me.  I will keep it in mind as it is an important distinction to make.
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/28 19:41:14 (permalink)
    Nice Video 
     
    i fitted the thermal pads and found a slight difference but it was better(imho), then i thought sod it just buy a block and back plate from EK, now i'm running sweet and more than happy 
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/29 02:40:49 (permalink)
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    Using two thermal pads to thicken causes the performance of the pads to drop much more than using a single pad.


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    Stacking pads is definitely less thermally efficient than a single pad





    Well that sucks... Why didn't they ship 2 mm pads then :/ . This whole thing isn't exactly a good first experience with EVGA.
     
    Im not a computer wizard and I was happy I complete this whole proces thanks to this video and if it wasn't for Coriolisaffect I would have applied the 1 mm pads and be sitting here with the SAME PROBLEM!!... I worked with the things I had, I applied the pads from the kit and (apparenty from what I read) the worst brand of thermal paste on it that came with the package. I don't have my own pads and thermal paste and all that stuff lying around in my house.

    I should've just send the whole thing back, but I didn't want to be without a video card for so long I need to do my work and stuff (and I dont have the momey around for a cross-shipment.. I hope I can sell my card for a decent price when I want to upgrade... That it's not just a worthless piece of trash by that time.
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/29 07:40:21 (permalink)
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     Using two thermal pads to thicken causes the performance of the pads to drop much more than using a single pad.

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     Stacking pads is definitely less thermally efficient than a single pad

    Well that sucks... Why didn't they ship 2 mm pads then :/ . This whole thing isn't exactly a good first experience with EVGA.
     
    Im not a computer wizard and I was happy I complete this whole proces thanks to this video and if it wasn't for Coriolisaffect I would have applied the 1 mm pads and be sitting here with the SAME PROBLEM!!... I worked with the things I had, I applied the pads from the kit and (apparenty from what I read) the worst brand of thermal paste on it that came with the package. I don't have my own pads and thermal paste and all that stuff lying around in my house.

    I should've just send the whole thing back, but I didn't want to be without a video card for so long I need to do my work and stuff (and I dont have the momey around for a cross-shipment.. I hope I can sell my card for a decent price when I want to upgrade... That it's not just a worthless piece of trash by that time.



    Whoa!  Take pride in the fact you completed this mod.  You're a technician now!  So now that you're part of the clan you have to understand a little bit of the nature of that manifestation:   We always want to operate in a perfect world.
    So, with that in mind, you're being brought up to speed with the reality of the situation:  That generally, there's a good likelihood of a better solution no matter what it is that you try and do!  Lol!  It was MY failing not to have had the presence of mind to remember that indeed two stacked pads would be less thermally efficient -- but that's not to say that they won't do the job!  As a matter of fact, a few posters have contributed threads in this forum where that is precisely what they've resorted to doing and they have reported good results.
    Also keep in mind that EVGA considers the mod in its entirety to be optional.  That the card will operate within spec without that mod and that the failures during the course of this have been within the expected percentage of, I can't remember now, but it was pretty low.  It's just that because of the internet and some dramatic pictures this all blew up out of proportion.  
     
    So, I firmly believe your card is going to be fine.  It's going to serve you well for as long a you own it...and if the less than perfect solution continues to bother you you, because of your current experience, will have greater confidence in redoing this mod at some point should you choose to!
    I wish we lived in a perfect world, that I was twenty years old again, that we had peace on earth...but we don't.  All we can do is the best we can with what we have to work with and in the end we have to hope that that is going to be good enough.
    Please temper your disappointment -- hold onto the pride of a job well done; you've earned that and just because it turns out because of circumstances, human error, it wasn't perfect, well, that doesn't change the fact that the pads are making contact, right? 
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2016/12/29 07:48:19 (permalink)
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    Nice Video 
     
    i fitted the thermal pads and found a slight difference but it was better(imho), then i thought sod it just buy a block and back plate from EK, now i'm running sweet and more than happy 



    Thanks!
     
    Lucky batard!  I priced the EK set and sighed a little -- a little pricey and wasn't part of my plan for this build; I wanted to go quiet air cooling.  Of course that was before learning about the hybrid card on offer here at EVGA, the kit they sell, and of course the EK (which yeah, looks darn sweet!) setup. 
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2017/01/03 23:48:18 (permalink)
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     Using two thermal pads to thicken causes the performance of the pads to drop much more than using a single pad.

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     Stacking pads is definitely less thermally efficient than a single pad

    Well that sucks... Why didn't they ship 2 mm pads then :/ . This whole thing isn't exactly a good first experience with EVGA.
     
    Im not a computer wizard and I was happy I complete this whole proces thanks to this video and if it wasn't for Coriolisaffect I would have applied the 1 mm pads and be sitting here with the SAME PROBLEM!!... I worked with the things I had, I applied the pads from the kit and (apparenty from what I read) the worst brand of thermal paste on it that came with the package. I don't have my own pads and thermal paste and all that stuff lying around in my house.

    I should've just send the whole thing back, but I didn't want to be without a video card for so long I need to do my work and stuff (and I dont have the momey around for a cross-shipment.. I hope I can sell my card for a decent price when I want to upgrade... That it's not just a worthless piece of trash by that time.



    Whoa!  Take pride in the fact you completed this mod.  You're a technician now!  So now that you're part of the clan you have to understand a little bit of the nature of that manifestation:   We always want to operate in a perfect world.
    So, with that in mind, you're being brought up to speed with the reality of the situation:  That generally, there's a good likelihood of a better solution no matter what it is that you try and do!  Lol!  It was MY failing not to have had the presence of mind to remember that indeed two stacked pads would be less thermally efficient -- but that's not to say that they won't do the job!  As a matter of fact, a few posters have contributed threads in this forum where that is precisely what they've resorted to doing and they have reported good results.
    Also keep in mind that EVGA considers the mod in its entirety to be optional.  That the card will operate within spec without that mod and that the failures during the course of this have been within the expected percentage of, I can't remember now, but it was pretty low.  It's just that because of the internet and some dramatic pictures this all blew up out of proportion.  
     
    So, I firmly believe your card is going to be fine.  It's going to serve you well for as long a you own it...and if the less than perfect solution continues to bother you you, because of your current experience, will have greater confidence in redoing this mod at some point should you choose to!
    I wish we lived in a perfect world, that I was twenty years old again, that we had peace on earth...but we don't.  All we can do is the best we can with what we have to work with and in the end we have to hope that that is going to be good enough.
    Please temper your disappointment -- hold onto the pride of a job well done; you've earned that and just because it turns out because of circumstances, human error, it wasn't perfect, well, that doesn't change the fact that the pads are making contact, right? 
     
     
     
     
     




    Good post. True. While doubling up pads isn't ideal; it's making contact which it wasn't before. And yes, good job on doing the mod. You would be surprised how many people are terrified by that! To me (and no doubt others on this thread) it's great sfuff, and getting an RMA pass to open my card and do some thermal stuff was a real boon! Yeepee!!
     
    Maybe too positive, but I really feel this whole issue was initially dramatized, and now pretty much solved. My 1080 FTW is a great stable card, I like it. OK it's not a great overclocker, but that's the old silicon lottery. Can't complain, does what it's meant' to and does it stable and well.
    Thanks gents. Thanks for the video too.

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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2017/01/03 23:53:36 (permalink)
    I can see where you guys are coming from. But it just stings a bit paying so much money for something and going trough so much trouble. I guess you are right about "the card operates within limits". But then again if I knew this issue beforehand I obviously wouldn't have gone with this card. But whatever I am happy I did manage to solve it with some help and encouragement from this post.
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2017/01/03 23:58:00 (permalink)
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    I can see where you guys are coming from. But it just stings a bit paying so much money for something and going trough so much trouble. I guess you are right about "the card operates within limits". But then again if I knew this issue beforehand I obviously wouldn't have gone with this card. But whatever I am happy I did manage to solve it with some help and encouragement from this post.




    Gotcha, and fully understand. IMHO your card will have no issues.
    I'd say single or double layer, not important in THIS case. It was marginal anyways, and you've made it better. Enjoy the card man!!

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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2017/01/26 12:41:00 (permalink)
    Hi everyone,
     
    I thought that in order to bring everything full circle that I would post the build of the machine that I used the graphics card in.  Firstly, I hope this is all right, I do mention the issue briefly in the introduction and do show the mod that is visible when I install the card onto the motherboard.
    Secondly,  and perhaps most importantly, it feels so good to finally have the machine up and running!  I built it just around the holidays and it's taken awhile (with some other obligations that I had to attend to) in order to edit and gather all the cool music that I use in the video.
     
    That said, it's pretty darn long!  That's mainly because I make every mistake it's humanly possible to make when building a computer and actually still have it work more or less upon application of first power -- there was a BIG scare there but it turned out to be yet another little human error thing.
     
    Anyway, whoa.  This card, this machine rocks the Casbah and I am beyond pleased with it.
     

     
    Thanks for checking it out.

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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2017/01/27 10:06:13 (permalink)
    Really cool dude, congratz. I'm thinking of getting a while case myself in the future aswell.
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    Re: Confronting the FEAR of Thermal Pad Installation! 2017/01/27 12:48:30 (permalink)
    Pr00f
    Really cool dude, congratz. I'm thinking of getting a while case myself in the future aswell.




    Thanks man.  Appreciate it.  This was a once in life time deal for me and I'm really happy everything worked out.  I better find some wood to knock, lol.

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