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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/18 14:36:12 (permalink)
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/18 20:50:37 (permalink)
Core i7: 920 D0   Batch #: 3901A257
CPU clocked at:  4,399Mhz 
Voltage:  1.50v
Idle temps: 44, 41, 43, 39
Load temps: 80, 77, 79, 75
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/18 21:48:52 (permalink)
This thread is turning out to be a great batch tracking thread as well!!! 
 
A little rant here:
 
Ya know... It's funny... when I was new here I wanted to start something similar to this and I was ridiculed.  I was suggesting that not only there be a stability test... but that the people could show their templates so others could learn.  I really couldn't believe the response was so negative.  Every one thought it would be an absolutely horrible idea for templates to be posted... as they that thought others would just try and copy and not learn the reasoning behind the settings.  I know some might have tried to do just that... but I thought then...  and still think it would be beneficial for overclockers to see other overclocker's templates.
 
Not that I'm going to suggest that now... heaven forbid the outfall of negative response... how silly.  But really... maybe I should start a thread asking for people to post their templates just to see who gets in an uproar... lol!
 
Anyway... I'm glad this thread got started ... it was long over due to have a stability thread!!!  At least we are posting the temps, vcore and batches... and that is very useful... but just think how much could be learned by so many people about the rest of the settings.... basic settings that we have to help... ( happily and willingly of course)...  users that are having problems with their overclocks... everyday.
 
Thanks simC33 and all of you that help suport this thread!   
  
 
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/18 21:52:36 (permalink)
exactly why you dont see me posting mine nor grabbing or asking of others....people like to take what you put out and then try to pass it off as theirs...im cool on that...lol

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/18 21:58:01 (permalink)
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exactly why you dont see me posting mine nor grabbing or asking of others....people like to take what you put out and then try to pass it off as theirs...im cool on that...lol

 
Well John... you have to be one of the more helpful members of the forum... I know you have shared many of your settings with me and taught me a lot!


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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/18 22:03:16 (permalink)
but of course..but your not just asking, then disappearing only to resurface 2 weeks later stating  "look at me and my over clock that no one helped me with that i did all by myself and i would like to thank no one for not helping me"..rotflmao

and besides...when i jump up in ranks...i like to see others up there as well..:)
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/18 22:20:09 (permalink)
One thing I wouldn't mind seeing is how much VTT it is taking to get the memory controller stable on some of these chips.... anyway... subject for another thread.

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/18 23:34:32 (permalink)
it's been reported that your information is not correct.
 
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/18 23:58:03 (permalink)
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See, there's something seriously wrong with this system. With only a 34+GFlops rating it is essentially just idling. So what's up with this? Hell, you could crank up the Bclk till the cows come home and it would still be idling. Or is the whole thing just a hoax?

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 03:11:07 (permalink)
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 06:19:50 (permalink)
@overclocker...I think the idea you have for the templates to be posted is a good idea and believe me I was going to include that when I first started the thread. But you nailed it right on the head when you said that others would more than likely just run off, copy the settings and be done with it. IMO you dont learn anything just by copying....I want my chip to be at 4.4 Ghz and dangit im going to learn something in the process...I know alot of you have tried helping me with the 4.4 and I appreciate it. I am learning alot from trying to get it there. ALSO, I tried that template thread idea over on the old forums and it got probably 4-6 responses and then it died. I know if I worked my a$$ off to get this OC then I am only willing to share it with those who want to learn about it. I am in no way dogging your idea overclocker...I too was thinking about the template rule but didnt think it'd turn out too well.

@grd...look at post 122 and 128...they are the same only different names...so who does this screenie really belong to I wonder? lol 



@Everyone else...thanks for all the new posts coming in while I CANT update them...sheesh yall would start posting more and more when I cant edit it haha..oh well I will gladly update it when the new mobo and CPU come in...thanks again for the participation everyone!!!


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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 08:00:15 (permalink)
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Core i7: 920 D0   Batch #: 3901A257
CPU clocked at:  4,399Mhz 
Voltage:  1.50v
Idle temps: 44, 41, 43, 39
Load temps: 80, 77, 79, 75
HT ON

 

See, there's something seriously wrong with this system. With only a 34+GFlops rating it is essentially just idling. So what's up with this? Hell, you could crank up the Bclk till the cows come home and it would still be idling. Or is the whole thing just a hoax?


What the F are you talking about. It was idling when the screenshot was taken of course, but as you can see it just finished 20 passes of LinX. What's the problem?



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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 08:08:21 (permalink)
It just looks really strange that your gflops are so LOW for that overclock. They should be up in the 50's. The gflops shown in linx, are what you got under load.


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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 08:12:20 (permalink)
*cough*

I'm confused here?

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 08:17:21 (permalink)
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It just looks really strange that your gflops are so LOW for that overclock. They should be up in the 50's. The gflops shown in linx, are what you got under load.


Agreed.  The result should be thrown out and the test done again.
 
Documented bugs show that occasionaly LinX barely tests the system and these false outcomes should not be accepted at face value.
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 08:25:52 (permalink)
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exactly why you dont see me posting mine nor grabbing or asking of others....people like to take what you put out and then try to pass it off as theirs...im cool on that...lol


I totally agree on that. Kind of obnoxious. Well, anyway, check my new setup, it's so sweet, just got it all together all by myself!



Good work Axman but I honestly think you're a n00b for just copying the settings I IM'ed you and posting them as yours on this forum. But I hold no grudges buddy, get some creds, you deserve it. Onion.

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 08:28:52 (permalink)
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It just looks really strange that your gflops are so LOW for that overclock. They should be up in the 50's. The gflops shown in linx, are what you got under load.


Hmm ok, I understand. I don't know what could have caused that tho. Any ideas? The LinX tests sure as hell stressed the crap out of all cores. I can run it again I guess, but without knowing what is wrong I'll probably get the same results.. Could it be a memory issue?

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 08:36:38 (permalink)
"Documented bugs show that occasionaly LinX barely tests the system and these false outcomes should not be accepted at face value."

Try it again.

If the first pass shows 30s GFlops again, stop the test and get back to us.  But if the first pass shows over 50 GFlops, let all 20 passes finish and post the results again.

LinX is known to become less stressful sometimes and lowe the GFlops due to a bug.  What triggers it sometimes is if you have an error in the middle of the test and LinX stops.  It will tell you that it halted due to the error.  If you test again without changing anything, it can do the full test again but at a lower stress level.

Did you start the test and then stop the test and then start the test again?

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 09:38:03 (permalink)
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"Documented bugs show that occasionaly LinX barely tests the system and these false outcomes should not be accepted at face value."

Try it again.

If the first pass shows 30s GFlops again, stop the test and get back to us.  But if the first pass shows over 50 GFlops, let all 20 passes finish and post the results again.

LinX is known to become less stressful sometimes and lowe the GFlops due to a bug.  What triggers it sometimes is if you have an error in the middle of the test and LinX stops.  It will tell you that it halted due to the error.  If you test again without changing anything, it can do the full test again but at a lower stress level.

Did you start the test and then stop the test and then start the test again?


Thanks for that info. No I ran the LinX test after a fresh boot. I'll run it again and see though.


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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 09:53:58 (permalink)
get it colder thread...we are always off topic over there...lol

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 11:04:56 (permalink)
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 14:44:19 (permalink)
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sgtharry It just looks really strange that your gflops are so LOW for that overclock. They should be up in the 50's. The gflops shown in linx, are what you got under load.
Hmm ok, I understand. I don't know what could have caused that tho. Any ideas? The LinX tests sure as hell stressed the crap out of all cores. I can run it again I guess, but without knowing what is wrong I'll probably get the same results.. Could it be a memory issue?
I have re-run LinX 0.6.3 after a failed run but without a lock up or BSOD and LinX will often then demonstrate a reduced functionality so that it does not stress the system. Sometimes if 0.6.3 is simply stopped and restarted it can do the same thing.
 
I have not been able to reproduce this with 0.6.4 which you are using.
 
If somehow your memory was running extremely slowly, then your Gflops could be low, and consequently the run would be atypical.
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 15:27:23 (permalink)
If anyone can take the criticism and heat, I would certainly like to see a stability template thread. And I could care less if someone borrows mine.
 
There is rarely any understanding demonstrated by anyone that they understand the i7 datasheet and white papers (not everyone, moron. I don't mean you!). I have always said that most everyone is analyzing the patterns in the template and various voltage suggestions data very well. But that doesn't mean we understand the operation and relationships of the high-k + metal gate transistor technology in 45nm i7, nor do we understand the CPU architectural implications. If we did, then exactly like the designers of the EVGA X58 motherboards and the BIOS engineers, we could say with some authority and confidence that at 4.5GHZ one may have to diddle this, for such and such a reason. But, all we get here is one recipe after another which recommend one voltage tweak here or there, with almost never a supporting analysis why it might be done.
 
If we cared about reasons, we'd publicly, in this forum, criticize such vacuous recommendations. If we want to actually learn then we should eschew unsupported suggestions. Elsewise, what's wrong with templates? Or, do we simply want to keep our's secret so we can retain a hard won victory?

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 15:32:50 (permalink)
Here is mine. Feel Free to try it
 
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MCH Strap ( Auto )
CPU Uncore Frequency ( 18X )
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Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way )
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tCL Setting ( 7 )
tRCD Setting ( 7 )
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Command Rate ( 1t )
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EVGA VDroop Control ( Without VDroop )
CPU VCore ( 1.25 )
CPU VTT Voltage ( +75 )
CPU PLL VCore ( 1.650 )
**IOH PLL VCore ( auto) 
DIMM Voltage ( 1.65 )
DIMM DQ Vref ( +0mV )
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IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( Auto )
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 15:39:47 (permalink)
stability templates above 4.5 ghz is what you probably wont see. since those are the ones that really matter...

If anyone can take the criticism and heat, I would certainly like to see a stability template thread. And I could care less if someone borrows mine.
 
There is rarely any understanding demonstrated by anyone that they understand the i7 datasheet and white papers (not everyone, moron. I don't mean you!). I have always said that most everyone is analyzing the patterns in the template and various voltage suggestions data very well. But that doesn't mean we understand the operation and relationships of the high-k + metal gate transistor technology in 45nm i7, nor do we understand the CPU architectural implications. If we did, then exactly like the designers of the EVGA X58 motherboards and the BIOS engineers, we could say with some authority and confidence that at 4.5GHZ one may have to diddle this, for such and such a reason. But, all we get here is one recipe after another which recommend one voltage tweak here or there, with almost never a supporting analysis why it might be done.
 
If we cared about reasons, we'd publicly, in this forum, criticize such vacuous recommendations. If we want to actually learn then we should eschew unsupported suggestions. Elsewise, what's wrong with templates? Or, do we simply want to keep our's secret so we can retain a hard won victory?

funny thing is..people take months to perfect something and the majority of people coming in are asking for a direct template without putting in the very long tiresome hours it takes to make these things work. (long story short - it's proven time and time again how people use others work and claim it for themselves.) it would be different if they gave the proper respect to the people helping. not some around the way thanks not pointing to their direct accomplishment. way to much of this going on around here.(just my opinion)
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 15:51:06 (permalink)
They would not matter to me, i could really give a s*hit what it takes to run 4.6 with ht Just my .02$

 
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 16:01:10 (permalink)
johnksss stability templates above 4.5 ghz is what you probably wont see. since those are the ones that really matter...
I agree, but what does "really matter" mean? We must, therefore, have a need to create a 4.5GHz stabilty forum if 'they' are different than 'us'. They don't really have a secret. Poor a bunch of money and, respectfully, effort into a water system of one type or another and you too can get to 4.5. I have my system running at 4.5 right now. I just could never hope to keep it stable (well, maybe there's more to it than that).
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 16:08:38 (permalink)
yes...i can tell...by the parts you bought...if that's what i bought...i woun't give a s*hit about hitting 3.8 ghz. i would run it stock. 2.66 ghz.

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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 16:16:09 (permalink)
I am only 167 Mhz (on air) off your junk . Be nice now :)

 
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Re:*Club i7 Stability Continuation* 2009/11/19 16:19:55 (permalink)
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I am only 167 Mhz (on air) off your junk . Be nice now :)


i did 4.6 on air, so you better go rethink it.
and that's the hardest 167 points for you to over come. else you would have done it already




yeah, you have a ways...but it's nice to stay positive.

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