mike406

ericbartman

mike406

ericbartman
 
Bingo! Thanks for saying this Sajin. Silicon is both on chip and card. Lottery on card is what failed.

Glad you finally understand. OC is not guaranteed. Even a fully reference 980 Ti could in the end reach higher clocks than a FTW or other card with a higher stock clock. This is why exotic cooling solutions shine, to overcome limitations or if the lottery didn't turn out so hot for you.

Please don't come in here trying to take the credit from Sajin. Your comments were just as ill informed as you are. "exotic cooling" scoff..

Nobody is trying to take "credit" from anybody. The silicon lottery is a well known thing that pretty much anybody into building rigs should know exists but which apparently you didn't fully understand otherwise you wouldn't have gone on and on like this. I told you that a reference card could outperform a FTW or classified which is what the silicon lottery is all about. But clearly you didn't know. You're acting way too salty and it comes across as rather immature. I simply said that better cooling solutions will allow you to get past that limitation or if you lost out with the lottery. Which is the fact whether or not you wish to accept that. Aside from noise or looks, why do you think people bother to put hardware under water? Or LN2 for that matter. Higher clocks is the answer. But even still, nothing is guaranteed. I'm not the one who's ill informed I'm afraid.  Anyway I feel like this thread has derailed long enough. Think whatever you wish.

mike406

ericbartman

mike406

ericbartman
 
Bingo! Thanks for saying this Sajin. Silicon is both on chip and card. Lottery on card is what failed.

Glad you finally understand. OC is not guaranteed. Even a fully reference 980 Ti could in the end reach higher clocks than a FTW or other card with a higher stock clock. This is why exotic cooling solutions shine, to overcome limitations or if the lottery didn't turn out so hot for you.

Please don't come in here trying to take the credit from Sajin. Your comments were just as ill informed as you are. "exotic cooling" scoff..

Nobody is trying to take "credit" from anybody. The silicon lottery is a well known thing that pretty much anybody into building rigs should know exists but which apparently you didn't fully understand otherwise you wouldn't have gone on and on like this. I told you that a reference card could outperform a FTW or classified which is what the silicon lottery is all about. But clearly you didn't know. You're acting way too salty and it comes across as rather immature. I simply said that better cooling solutions will allow you to get past that limitation or if you lost out with the lottery. Which is the fact whether or not you wish to accept that. Aside from noise or looks, why do you think people bother to put hardware under water? Or LN2 for that matter. Higher clocks is the answer. But even still, nothing is guaranteed. I'm not the one who's ill informed I'm afraid.  Anyway I feel like this thread has derailed long enough. Think whatever you wish.

ty_ger07
+1

Colder = faster.

The extra power phases are there to provide a huge amount of wattage capability when going sub-zero with lots of volts. The extra power capability adds zero overclockability on air when extra power isn't needed.

The Kingpin core is nothing special. It is just like any other core and will be just as likely or unlikely to overclock well with an air cooler. What you are paying extra for with the Kingpin is the giant PCB with huge power capability so that you can pump in tons of volts at -40c.

There is no such thing as VRM lottery. The voltage regulators barely breaking a sweat using your air cooler won't add or subtract anything to your chances of overclocking using air. Your Kingpin card won't act like anything special until you go subzero.

marttimat
Hey guys!
 
I apologize for not updating the thread on my situation slash outcome!!
 
I got the replacement card and out of curiosity ran the ASIC test and verified the RMA card is rated at 76.3%... Not a bad jump from 72% which I originally purchased. 

Anyway, that does not matter as much as my results... The best clock for the bench marks and games I run most landed at 1514 MHz at 1.14V. 

It all chalks up to the lottery. The original card I had would not for the life of it bump speeds over out of the box speeds (Still surprised EVGA RMA'd the card for this). This new card fairs better but in the end still comes down to proper Maxwell cooling. My next plan is to water block the card and go from there (mainly since the fans are quite loud at max RPM) but in time. 
 
I am sure the debate will continue on all discussed in the thread but just want to say thank you all for the input! I hope others find satisfaction like I did (granted small but better than what I had).

stalinx20

ericbartman

mike406
 
Except that it is a completely valid response.  Maxwell is heavily limited on air compared to past generations, you cannot get a much higher voltage without putting it under water or some other exotic cooling. The voltage limits itself to around 1.212V at warm temperatures IIRC but I could be wrong with that value. You could set the voltage up to max on your preferred overclocking software and it will not go higher. Only way around the locked voltage as far as I know when on air is with physically changing the voltage like with evbot or a modded BIOS on cards that allow unlocked voltages (reference PCB is limited to 1.28V IIRC). But any high voltage on Maxwell will probably not be stable on air and really only benefits with exotic cooling. Before turning to immature insults, I'd research a bit on your own and you'll find what he said to be true.

Then you missed the entire point of my post.

Oh no, we got your point. It's total fanboyism if you don't use watercooling on a classified to try and overclock. we got that clear as a bell.

Scarlet-Tech
My top 980ti hit 1599 no problem, but my second card won't go past 1555, my third hits around 1580.  All 3 of mine are 14+3, so they shouldn't be able to overclock There are plenty of 14+3 cards over on OCN hitting 1600 plus on Air
 

ericbartman
 
Then good for you. This thread was for people who weren't able to do the same, and there are plenty threads with the same problem. Thanks for derailing to a contest.
 
Plus posting pictures of LN2 coolers doesn't add anything to the discussion. Please take your somewhere else.

mike406
And hey, if we are EVGA fanboys then so be it I'll take that as a compliment XD

ericbartman

Scarlet-Tech
I don;t mind being called a fanboy.  Name calling is amusing to me :-)  I stopped with it many years ago.

Something else you might have stopped years ago, is trying to solve problems. Good moderation!

ericbartman

stalinx20

ericbartman

Scarlet-Tech
I don;t mind being called a fanboy.  Name calling is amusing to me :-)  I stopped with it many years ago.

Something else you might have stopped years ago, is trying to solve problems. Good moderation!

Well, the only "problem" we were trying to solve is what exactly you're trying to inquire??????

Don't worry, smarter people like OP and Sajin have answered. You can crawl back into the basement.