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2019/01/28 06:23:22 (permalink)
Hi, I just replace my 1080 ti hybrid cooler with the accelero xtreme 3 cooler . Afterwards I have black screen when I turn on the PC. I remove all the components of the accelero xtreme 3 cooler and put back the hybrid kit. When I talk to the customer support they said I could still send it to them but a RMA is highly unlikely due to the fact that I used thermal adhesive. Is it possible for thermal adhesive to damage pcb ?

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 08:17:48 (permalink)
    Use Imgur to host the picture. You can get the jpg link from Imgur to post here.

    Do you mean thermal paste? Thermal paste should not cause damage, unless you used conductive or capacitive paste.

    If it is capacitive, you should be able to clean it off of anything it is touching, and get it back to working.
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 08:34:11 (permalink)
    It's possible you may have damaged or knocked off a small SMD near the GPU. If you did that, then they probably won't cover the repair via RMA. Not sure why you used thermal adhesive instead of just a thermal compound. The mounting hardware it came with should have been more than enough to secure the cooler to the card. 

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 08:34:22 (permalink)
    Thermal adhesive ? = Yes , will cause damage 
     
    Thermal Interface material ? = Not usually. ( only a few selected conductive ones out there )
     
     
     
    i.e.  - https://www.ifixit.com/An...lectrically+conductive

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:00:20 (permalink)
    The thermal adhesive was used to put on the alluminum heatsink for vram and power. The adhesive that come with the kit is not electric conducive .
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:04:16 (permalink)
    I try to post the links but for some reason it doesn't appear
    post edited by BreadJam - 2019/01/28 12:09:58
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:05:16 (permalink)
    http://imgur.com/JXL4pCB
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:10:05 (permalink)
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    http://imgur.com/JXL4pCB

    Clean that mess up with some  IPA so we can get a better look. I didn't see anything too odd...
     

     
     

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:11:08 (permalink)
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:12:13 (permalink)
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    Stop it. You don't have enough post for images. Please read replies. Thanks.

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:13:23 (permalink)
    Are you sure it was an adhesive and not just regular TIM?

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:18:58 (permalink)
    After removing the aluminum heatsink I try using 99 percent Isopropyl Alcohol on cloth to remove the thermal adhesive, but it's harden and I don't want to scratch the pcb so I leave it at that before putting back on the hybrid kit.
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:20:15 (permalink)
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    Are you sure it was an adhesive and not just regular TIM?


    Hard to tell but he might have been talking about those heatsinks you can get with the adhesive on them? The memory modules appear to have round spots versus the typical full flat coverage of OEM thermal pads.



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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:22:41 (permalink)
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    After removing the aluminum heatsink I try using 99 percent Isopropyl Alcohol on cloth to remove the thermal adhesive, but it's harden and I don't want to scratch the pcb so I leave it at that before putting back on the hybrid kit.

    Where exactly are you talking about? Is that image I posted for you the current condition of the GPU or have you cleaned it further? I can clearly see there's a  lot of material that could be easily and safely removed.

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:24:22 (permalink)
    I used regular thermal paste for the core, and the adhesive for the vram and power. It harden after an hour to keep the heatsink in place.
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:27:23 (permalink)
    Yes this is the current condition of the card and if you know how to remove the substance without scratching the pcb I would be appreciated it if you could tell me how.
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:38:26 (permalink)
    Maybe a fine or extra fine scotch-brite pad. I doubt it hurt the parts, but may polish them too shinny.
    Do you have an old board and adhesive to test?
    A fine scotchpad should not scratch the parts, but may take off and writing if gone too far.
    Worth testing if no other options come to mind.

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 12:43:03 (permalink)
     remover like this  - https://www.amazon.com/ArctiClean-60ml-Kit-30ml/dp/B0007TOR08
     
    and a toothbrush &/or coffee filters  doing amazing jobs.
     
    But that pic is looking rough.  Good luck.

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 13:03:37 (permalink)
    I got this from google.   Acetone may very well work.  Then use 90% alcohol after that.
    Fine sandpaper 2-3000 grit.  But again it may polish it and make it shine and remove any markings if gone too far.
     
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 13:53:20 (permalink)
    I think your best option would be to see if there is a used computer parts shop in town and buy a cheap video card or an old video card you no longer use. Then put the thermal adhesive on that card and see if you can remove it. I feel good and helpful tips are being given but it might take some tests on something you don't really care about before I would try on something I care about.

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 14:45:12 (permalink)
    The simple act of pulling the heatsinks off after gluing them on could have damaged the card. Those memory chips are attached by BGA soldering technique and pulling on the glued heatsinks could have broken some of the BGA solder points. Thermal adhesive is usually a one-time permanent decision.

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 15:34:45 (permalink)
    I think you killed your card unfortunately. Like ty_ger07 said, pulling the heatsinks off that were glued with thermal adhesive you used on the memory may have broken the solder points under any number of the memory modules. And good grief how much thermal paste did you use on the GPU? 
     
    Thermal adhesive is almost impossible to remove completely after applying it. It's a epoxy compound that's intended to be permanent. 

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 15:43:20 (permalink)
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    Yes this is the current condition of the card and if you know how to remove the substance without scratching the pcb I would be appreciated it if you could tell me how.



     
    Gah,... Okay, now that I have looked at a few more of the images, 50" 4K is dandy for aging eyes, it appears you have damaged some of the ICs. I cannot tell if functionally you have damage, but you can see damage were the adhesive has removed some of the IC packaging material. If it is only surface damage, it will still operate but, that's still a lot of mechanical stress on solder. The uneven surface might cause some issues with cooling the ICs. There's epoxies you can use to seal and even out the surface of the IC. I don't know what your skill level is but most of the surface adhesive left on the tops of the IC's could be scraped off with an exacto knife and magnifying glass. You really don't care about the bits left on the PCB or small parts that don't contact the heatsink or need cooling. You just want a relatively flat surface for the thermal pads to sit on. It does not have to be perfect.

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 15:49:27 (permalink)
    Quick question... is that copper showing through the PCB? It shows in multiple pictures:

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 15:56:05 (permalink)
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    Quick question... is that copper showing through the PCB? It shows in multiple pictures:



    Yes those are pry marks on the PCB...probably fortunate those were round adhesive pads...
     

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 16:14:23 (permalink)
    BreadJam,

    Don’t waste your money on shipping this card back. If even you remove the thermal adhesive, the scratches in the PCB and the damage done has already voided your warranty.

    The scratches and marks left by the prying and thermal adhesive are physical damage, and physical damage is not covered by warranty.
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 16:22:25 (permalink)
    i think so @the_Scarlet_one would that considered as damage to the PCB? 
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 16:23:56 (permalink)

     

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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 16:26:19 (permalink)
    ahh thank you @the_Scarlet_one for clarifying that, and thanks to everyone taking your time out to help me. 
     
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    Re: Can thermal adhesive damage pcb? 2019/01/28 16:40:22 (permalink)
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