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Most online games have built-in voice chat options, allowing players to communicate with each other and work together to achieve their goals. For many gamers, this option is vital for strategic multiplayer play, especially if you are playing with teammates who you do not know. According to PC Gamer, Battlefield 2042 has launched without support for voice chat, and EA is working to integrate a new Voice Over IP (VOIP) system for the game. This means that Battlefield 2042 players will not be able to communicate with other players at launch. That said, organised teams should be able to communicate using external apps like Discord, Teamspeak or other similar communications apps. 

The lack of VOIP support in Battlefield 2042 is most damaging to solo players, who will be entering teams where they know nobody and are unable to communicate with their teammates effectively. You can't use Discord to chat with team members that you do not know, preventing team play. With new modes like Hazard Zone bringing 4-player squad-based combat to the series, in-game communication is especially important. Each team will search for data drives, pick them up and attempt to extract them. Without VOIP support, many teams will not be able to work together effectively, making Battlefield 2042's lack of in-game chat incredibly disappointing.  
 
EA/DICE are working on adding in-game chat support to Battlefield 2042 as soon as possible. That said, neglecting voice chat support in a multiplayer-only shooter is a tremendous oversight. Thankfully, in-game text chat is still available, but it isn't exactly the most useful option within a fast-paced shooter. 
 
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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/13 02:35:22 (permalink)
    Seems like a major oversight in this day and age for a game like Battlefield but I can also understand since some players can be toxic. Nobody really wants to relax while hearing someone shout profanity into a microphone.

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/13 21:45:25 (permalink)
     
    Oops. I almost always play solo, so no big deal for me, although I know I'm missing out on a lot.
     


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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/14 09:33:24 (permalink)
    Can we make this the "BF2042 Complaints" thread?
     
    Because is it just me or is Ray Tracing and DLSS completely broken?
     
     
    When I enable these options, I get significant stuttering and honestly, the game looks like extremely plain and pretty far from impressive.  With those options disabled, there are far fewer stutters and the visuals improve.  I am having a very hard time accepting that its my pc thats the problem.
     
     
     
    And why are the maps so big with control points so clustered?  Have to either decrease map size or spread out the control points.  It seems like the giant maps were an afterthought to be more Fortnite like but without the individual map characteristics of Fortnite (which isn't really a good thing).  There should be another 3-4 control points in the empty space
     

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/14 15:37:50 (permalink)
    Ray Tracing and DLSS are broken yes.. also a lot of other stuff is missing/half done.. worst BF game ever.

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/15 04:56:22 (permalink)
    Voice chat = I don't care because most of the times it is some 'obnoxious- you-know-what' spamming his personal music or some type of cursing...&  alot of people use Discord  anyways.
     
    Stuttering /DLSS/ Raytracing is probably broken due to the usual suspect of Frostbite engine never being coded to work all that well in DX12 .... 
     
     

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/15 12:53:09 (permalink)
    I mean the only things broken/missing are:
     
    • No dedicated servers (there's Portal...but that seems to be just full of XP-boost attempted bot servers and "ZOMBIE MODE" where you get a grenade and a knife along with 100 of your bot friends to fight against the 4-8 humans who got in there first and have tanks, choppers, planes, guns, etc.)
    • No classes (except portal, but the ones I've seen so far, every class has one gun option, maybe two and they don't tell you what the guns are, you just have to try them all to find out...some are obvious, it's just kind of ridiculous and half-baked).
    • Movement and animations have been completely stripped out and replaced with some kind of Apex super human hero stuff
    • new maps are huge and filled with nothing. Cover and details are extremely sparse. There's no flow. No flanking (unless you can flying-squirrel around an open hillside and don't get spotted). New maps have almost no destruction, mostly because there's very little to destroy.
    • spotty at best hit-reg
    • RNG bullet patterns (because everything is a Star wars blaster now...)
    • Bullet speed from sniper rifles seems like you could run faster.
    • There are the cringyest voice lines from the heroes you've ever heard in a game and you'll hear the same lines all match and every end of the match...again...and again...and again...until I'm assuming they start selling other terrible lines or charge us to have them just shut up.
    • DLSS + RTAO are broken (and where is the other RT?)
    • Can't join friends on the server they're on
    • can't create/join/edit squad
    • no all-player-chat
    • no voice chat
    • performance is woeful (I get fps drops all over the place, and also never see my cpu go over 50-60% utilized while GPU never goes over ~73%, usually sits lower. My 3080ti averaged 280W during 5 hours of gameplay.......max is like 430W...what even...all settings maxed, 1440p...no idea).
    • UI can't tell what's on and off and my menu doesn't even have customization of specialists and guns. The whole menu is gone. I've been suggested to uninstall and reinstall the game to fix it.
    • 2D Figure-skating silhouettes for anyone over ~150m away. Being the chopper gunner looks like you're playing wiki-woo except they don't even move the legs back and forth. Just permanent figure-skating pose.
     
    Oh, and there are also bugs, but it's a BF launch so I try not to complain about the bugs as those always happen and almost always get patched. Some of those (like flying hovercrafts) are hilarious.
     
    I could go on, but this is a pretty good list.
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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/15 14:03:58 (permalink)
    game is a mess but I am still somehow having fun moments.... which is the only reason i am there.  


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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/15 14:15:45 (permalink)
    Agreed on all those criticisms.  There is a noticeable PC and/or anti-american tone to the map narration introductions too which I dont care for
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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/15 14:22:06 (permalink)
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    I mean the only things broken/missing are:
     
    • No dedicated servers (there's Portal...but that seems to be just full of XP-boost attempted bot servers and "ZOMBIE MODE" where you get a grenade and a knife along with 100 of your bot friends to fight against the 4-8 humans who got in there first and have tanks, choppers, planes, guns, etc.)
    • No classes (except portal, but the ones I've seen so far, every class has one gun option, maybe two and they don't tell you what the guns are, you just have to try them all to find out...some are obvious, it's just kind of ridiculous and half-baked).
    • Movement and animations have been completely stripped out and replaced with some kind of Apex super human hero stuff
    • new maps are huge and filled with nothing. Cover and details are extremely sparse. There's no flow. No flanking (unless you can flying-squirrel around an open hillside and don't get spotted). New maps have almost no destruction, mostly because there's very little to destroy.
    • spotty at best hit-reg
    • RNG bullet patterns (because everything is a Star wars blaster now...)
    • Bullet speed from sniper rifles seems like you could run faster.
    • There are the cringyest voice lines from the heroes you've ever heard in a game and you'll hear the same lines all match and every end of the match...again...and again...and again...until I'm assuming they start selling other terrible lines or charge us to have them just shut up.
    • DLSS + RTAO are broken (and where is the other RT?)
    • Can't join friends on the server they're on
    • can't create/join/edit squad
    • no all-player-chat
    • no voice chat
    • performance is woeful (I get fps drops all over the place, and also never see my cpu go over 50-60% utilized while GPU never goes over ~73%, usually sits lower. My 3080ti averaged 280W during 5 hours of gameplay.......max is like 430W...what even...all settings maxed, 1440p...no idea).
    • UI can't tell what's on and off and my menu doesn't even have customization of specialists and guns. The whole menu is gone. I've been suggested to uninstall and reinstall the game to fix it.
    • 2D Figure-skating silhouettes for anyone over ~150m away. Being the chopper gunner looks like you're playing wiki-woo except they don't even move the legs back and forth. Just permanent figure-skating pose.
     
    Oh, and there are also bugs, but it's a BF launch so I try not to complain about the bugs as those always happen and almost always get patched. Some of those (like flying hovercrafts) are hilarious.
     
    I could go on, but this is a pretty good list.


    I’m going to assume since this is all under early release conditions, that a lot of the issues listed will be fixed upon the day 1 public launch. Obviously not all of them will be, but we still have 4 more days, and early releases are not indicative of launch release performance… unless you’re playing ARK, in which it will never truly run great.
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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/15 14:55:08 (permalink)
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    I’m going to assume since this is all under early release conditions, that a lot of the issues listed will be fixed upon the day 1 public launch. Obviously not all of them will be, but we still have 4 more days, and early releases are not indicative of launch release performance… unless you’re playing ARK, in which it will never truly run great.



    I would absolutely LOVE to believe that. I do think they'll be quickly and continually working on bug fixes. I think performance may be improved over time. I also think they'll add voice chat and some sort of score board (only because we complained so much). 
     
    That said, I don't expect them to fix the lack of dedicated servers, complete lack of map detail and poor map design, design decisions around movement and animations, classes, weapon choices, or the UI. The UI needs a major overhaul and short of little tweaks I'm not sure we'll see it (half my menus don't even work...which I may have to reinstall to fix...I'm hoping the patch fixes it because I'm not sure if I'll lose progression if I reinstall). There are a lot of things that are design decisions, not bugs, that they are adamant that they are right and the community at large is wrong about. We don't know what we want and all that.

    I completely agree that the Gaming community cannot be made happy entirely. We will complain about everything no matter what (obviously not every single person, but enough to be problematic). So how do you fix that? Well I certainly don't think it's by ignoring the community entirely. There's plenty of justified criticism, but it is being labeled as toxic and ignored. Maybe not all of it is ignored, but they don't talk to us, so how would we know?
     
    There are some truly great ideas in this game. They could have been fantastic. They should have been added features to what is already an established and beloved format. What they did is gut every feature that makes "Battlefield" a "Battlefield" game, start from scratch, and released a half-finished game that really acts like a Minimum Viable Product. Its like they wanted to restart the whole franchise and stripped it down to nothing to get feedback from paying customers with (hopefully) the intention of developing it further from there. As far as the heros/operators/specialists go, I haven't heard from anybody that absolutely loves them and their voice lines. I feel like it could have worked if it was implemented a bit differently. Again, I don't hate the idea and I don't think all changes I bad by any means, but it just screams "13-year-old target audience" to me and BF has never been for that audience. The voice lines during fire fights in the BF3 Portal are adamant evidence of this.

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/15 15:29:30 (permalink)
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    I’m going to assume since this is all under early release conditions, that a lot of the issues listed will be fixed upon the day 1 public launch. Obviously not all of them will be, but we still have 4 more days, and early releases are not indicative of launch release performance… unless you’re playing ARK, in which it will never truly run great.

    Probably some of them.  There is some low hanging fruit like commenting out the code for those awful ending sequences & character voicing.  Sadly, the underlying problem is that the gameplay no longer resembles the battlefield franchise.
     
    Not to mention, COD warzone is "free", fortnite is "free."  Where is the $100 in this?  Glad I got the trial via EA Play / xbox app, definitely will not be buying premium/ultimate/whatever at even $60 much less $100
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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/16 03:58:20 (permalink)
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    Probably some of them.  There is some low hanging fruit like commenting out the code for those awful ending sequences & character voicing.  Sadly, the underlying problem is that the gameplay no longer resembles the battlefield franchise.
     
    Not to mention, COD warzone is "free", fortnite is "free."  Where is the $100 in this?  Glad I got the trial via EA Play / xbox app, definitely will not be buying premium/ultimate/whatever at even $60 much less $100


    They could change direction due to the terrible feedback, but I have a bad feeling that the voice lines and crappy takedown animation are two places where they were planning on selling us alternatives...for more money than we already paid. I can't help but wonder if that's the sort of idea or input that their new boss (former head of FIFA who has no experience with the FPS genre) is making. I don't believe for a second that Karl Magnus Troedsson would have green-lit that idea. I was quite sad to hear that him, Johan Andersson (main guy who developed Frostbite), and many other key people have left.

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/16 04:52:05 (permalink)
    Nvidia said they will have a new 'Game Ready' driver on or before the 19th  & there is supposed to also be a huge 'DAY 1' patch from DICE  at that time as well..... so I'll keep the fingers crossed.
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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/16 05:12:16 (permalink)
    been having fun hope the patch fixes some of the random bullet spray where you see your bullet bend in a random direction 

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/16 07:53:57 (permalink)
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    Nvidia said they will have a new 'Game Ready' driver on or before the 19th  & there is supposed to also be a huge 'DAY 1' patch from DICE  at that time as well..... so I'll keep the fingers crossed.
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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/16 08:31:22 (permalink)
    Well, dang. I had high hopes for BF2042 because it looked the good old days of BF1942 to BFBC where it was just straight up fun. Good thing I didn't preorder.

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/16 08:54:25 (permalink)
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    Well, dang. I had high hopes for BF2042 because it looked the good old days of BF1942 to BFBC where it was just straight up fun. Good thing I didn't preorder.


    Agreed my friend me too. I hope they are able to get back to what made the franchise excellent. 

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    Probably some of them.  There is some low hanging fruit like commenting out the code for those awful ending sequences & character voicing.  Sadly, the underlying problem is that the gameplay no longer resembles the battlefield franchise.
     
    Not to mention, COD warzone is "free", fortnite is "free."  Where is the $100 in this?  Glad I got the trial via EA Play / xbox app, definitely will not be buying premium/ultimate/whatever at even $60 much less $100


    They could change direction due to the terrible feedback, but I have a bad feeling that the voice lines and crappy takedown animation are two places where they were planning on selling us alternatives...for more money than we already paid. I can't help but wonder if that's the sort of idea or input that their new boss (former head of FIFA who has no experience with the FPS genre) is making. I don't believe for a second that Karl Magnus Troedsson would have green-lit that idea. I was quite sad to hear that him, Johan Andersson (main guy who developed Frostbite), and many other key people have left.


    I didn't know that the key DICE employees from the BF golden days had left.  That explains a lot.

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/16 13:23:41 (permalink)
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    I didn't know that the key DICE employees from the BF golden days had left.  That explains a lot.



    Oh yes. It is most of the people who were really important to decision making. I'd like to believe that really talented folks took their place, but you can't expect them to make the same decisions and have the same ideas as the people before them.
     
    I started following a whole bunch of them many years ago on Twitter and they're pretty much all elsewhere now:
    Karl Magnus Troedsson: worked his way up from Producer, to Exec Producer, to VP General Manager and CEO of DICE. was there for years. Now on board of Raw Fury games, Boot Locker, Founder/Owner of Loot Spawn and Behold Ventures.
    Johan Andersson(@Repi on twitter): Now at Embark Studios (co-founder of Embark), he was the main guy developing Frostbite from the beginning.
    David Goldfarb: lead designer of BF3 and Bad Company 2. Now Creative Director at Outsiders
    Gordon Van Dyke: did QA and then Production and Designer on several BF games. Founder of "Stumpy Squid" studio
    Mikael Kalms: Programmer/graphics BF2, BF3, MoH, Technical Director later. He's now CTO of "Fall Damage" studio
    Patrick Liu: Senior Producer for BC, MoH, BF3. Since went to Rovio, Mojang, and Fast Travel Games
    Patrick Bach: Exec Producer to VP General Manager, BF3, BF4, BC2. Now Managing Director at Ubisoft.
    Patrick Soderland: CEO, VP, and GM at DICE (he was there before they were DICE...with 1942 through BF1, but he had moved up to an EA management spot(s) after EA acquired DICE. Went to co-found Embark (with Johan above).
    Tim Kjell: Gameplay designer BF3. Went to Rovio, Paradox, Fnatic, ESEN esports, and AF.
     
    Hopefully I didn't mess any of these up. I tried pulling it right from their LinkedIn pages, but connected some of the timelines myself. I remembered some of it, but if I went straight from memory it would definitely have been a little off.
     
    There are more...but...I think you get it. I think Karl and P. Soderland are probably the biggest hits because they were higher-ups that lived and breath Battlefield and wanted it to be as good as possible for the gamers. They actually enjoyed the game and the franchise...at least until they were undoubtedly burned out by EA. It's been a while, but I remember watching interviews and Karl had me so convinced at one point that I was like "well...EA bought DICE, but as long as Karl is there, I think we'll be ok". They moved him out of DICE's direct involvement and into EA-management during Hardline's production...he left after it released. I don't know if that says enough right there, but I feel like that's when the truly questionable decision-making from a game-direction perspective started.
     
    Anyway, I just wanted to back up my statement. I hate it when people go "oh tons" and then don't give any examples lol.

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/16 21:04:50 (permalink)
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    I didn't know that the key DICE employees from the BF golden days had left.  That explains a lot.



    Oh yes. It is most of the people who were really important to decision making. I'd like to believe that really talented folks took their place, but you can't expect them to make the same decisions and have the same ideas as the people before them.
     
    ... I don't know if that says enough right there, but I feel like that's when the truly questionable decision-making from a game-direction perspective started.
     
    Anyway, I just wanted to back up my statement. I hate it when people go "oh tons" and then don't give any examples lol.




    Nice work, bringing the receipts. It's looking more and more that I'll be picking this up on sale after a while. Pity, because I had time blocked off during Thanksgiving just to test out this new graphics card.
     

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/17 11:46:11 (permalink)
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    I didn't know that the key DICE employees from the BF golden days had left.  That explains a lot.



    Oh yes. It is most of the people who were really important to decision making. I'd like to believe that really talented folks took their place, but you can't expect them to make the same decisions and have the same ideas as the people before them.
     
    ... I don't know if that says enough right there, but I feel like that's when the truly questionable decision-making from a game-direction perspective started.
     
    Anyway, I just wanted to back up my statement. I hate it when people go "oh tons" and then don't give any examples lol.




    Nice work, bringing the receipts. It's looking more and more that I'll be picking this up on sale after a while. Pity, because I had time blocked off during Thanksgiving just to test out this new graphics card.

     
    Currently, the Battlefield V graphics are better (there's actually more ray tracing features available for it as well...just don't turn on DLSS) and more demanding. Battlefield 2042 only utilizes about 40-50% of my CPU on average and about 70% of my GPU during gameplay. The menu cranks things up for some reason, but not the actual gameplay. My 3080ti that will happily gulp down 430W if you give it that much to do averaged about 280W over a 4.5 hour gaming session. As for my impression of the graphics, they did some really neat looking (at times) particle effects for weather, explosions, and smoke, but sometimes it doesn't look right at all and the textures/surfaces/details have all gone waaaay down since Battlefield V. I can only assume it has to do with 128 player servers and cross-play, but the graphics have definitely taken a hit. It looks...maybe a pinch better than Warzone? I haven't played it, but remember laughing at the graphics in some videos I've seen online. I'm not laughing so much now that Battlefield has decided to replicate that level of detail. Some of the ground terrain look decent, but every time I go into, on top of, or near a building, I just get disappointed. 
     
    I found out after that session that there might be a bug with the DX12 settings in the profile of the game where it isn't properly setting DX12 render mode. It's supposedly the only render mode, but for some reason it seems disabled and some people are getting better performance by manually changing it in the profile file. I'd have to look up that post again to give you directions and the specific file name, but I haven't tried it yet. I was planning to do that before my next session to see if it helps.

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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/17 18:19:12 (permalink)
    idiocy to not have voip at launch
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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/19 08:31:31 (permalink)
    Did anything get addressed with the Day 1 patch for those that are actually playing?
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    Re: Battlefield 2042 has launched without voice chat support 2021/11/19 09:00:29 (permalink)
    only thing for me upgrade to the hotfix driver now i can get right at 100 fps from the 70-80 

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