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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/14 19:23:47 (permalink)
Mienko
I also had the 92 hang.  Switched bios, booted, then switched to the bad bios and tried to reflash and it was a no-go.  BUT, it then booted into the bios.  In the bios, I noticed that the Intel ME information was blank and no security module was detected.  When I rebooted from here, I got an error 92 again.  So, switched the bios back to my known good, booted, switched back to the bad bios and recovered it with 2.06.  After booting with 2.06 fresh, reinstalled 2.08 again and this time it took without a hitch.  
Out of curiosity, have you updated your Intel ME firmware outside of the bios update?  I have and I'm thinking that may have been what caused my hiccup.

i didn't update ME
trick with switching from 2.03 to 2.08 works, rolled back to 2.06 then again updated to 2.08 result: 92
I guess it should work without tricks like all previous bioses. So this bios already DOA
post edited by rulik006 - 2023/01/14 19:25:51
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/14 21:22:15 (permalink)
Mr. Fox
Intel ME is unnecessary and unimportant. It is better for it to be disabled. It serves no useful purpose as far as I am concerned.

May very well be (have no basis to counter that), but I've never had a problem with it enabled and was just calling out what my experience was with the 2.08 update (i.e. the hang on error 92 and the blank ME data in the bios).  :-)
 
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I also had the 92 hang.  Switched bios, booted, then switched to the bad bios and tried to reflash and it was a no-go.  BUT, it then booted into the bios.  In the bios, I noticed that the Intel ME information was blank and no security module was detected.  When I rebooted from here, I got an error 92 again.  So, switched the bios back to my known good, booted, switched back to the bad bios and recovered it with 2.06.  After booting with 2.06 fresh, reinstalled 2.08 again and this time it took without a hitch.  
Out of curiosity, have you updated your Intel ME firmware outside of the bios update?  I have and I'm thinking that may have been what caused my hiccup.

i didn't update ME
trick with switching from 2.03 to 2.08 works, rolled back to 2.06 then again updated to 2.08 result: 92
I guess it should work without tricks like all previous bioses. So this bios already DOA


After flashing 2.06, did you immediately try to flash 2.08?  Or did you let it fully boot and whatnot before attempting to reflash?  Sorry your outcome didn't mirror mine.
 
post edited by Mienko - 2023/01/14 21:25:40

 
 
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/14 22:18:01 (permalink)
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Intel ME is unnecessary and unimportant. It is better for it to be disabled. It serves no useful purpose as far as I am concerned.

May very well be (have no basis to counter that), but I've never had a problem with it enabled and was just calling out what my experience was with the 2.08 update (i.e. the hang on error 92 and the blank ME data in the bios).  :-)
 
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I also had the 92 hang.  Switched bios, booted, then switched to the bad bios and tried to reflash and it was a no-go.  BUT, it then booted into the bios.  In the bios, I noticed that the Intel ME information was blank and no security module was detected.  When I rebooted from here, I got an error 92 again.  So, switched the bios back to my known good, booted, switched back to the bad bios and recovered it with 2.06.  After booting with 2.06 fresh, reinstalled 2.08 again and this time it took without a hitch.  
Out of curiosity, have you updated your Intel ME firmware outside of the bios update?  I have and I'm thinking that may have been what caused my hiccup.

i didn't update ME
trick with switching from 2.03 to 2.08 works, rolled back to 2.06 then again updated to 2.08 result: 92
I guess it should work without tricks like all previous bioses. So this bios already DOA


After flashing 2.06, did you immediately try to flash 2.08?  Or did you let it fully boot and whatnot before attempting to reflash?  Sorry your outcome didn't mirror mine.

IME is "official" remote control garbage that can be used for things many of us would not want it to be used for, and I am very thankful EVGA leaves it unlocked and allows it to be disabled. If anyone cares, here is more info on Intel Management Engine and why it serves no valid purpose for consumers. It can be of value in some company-owned zombie computers in certain business scenarios I suppose. But, it is already being abused by most computer hardware OEMs in a variety of ways, and EVGA is only one setting the right example here by letting their customers decide whether to keep the filth or disable it. 
post edited by Mr. Fox - 2023/01/14 22:42:00

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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/14 23:23:17 (permalink)
4080 FE w/ latest firmware
2.08 no picture at post, no bios settings, no output until windows login with displayport
 
 
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/15 08:40:37 (permalink)
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Thanks, Lee. I am going to grab it and start putting it through its paces.

Everyone should remember to remove power (unplug or power off the PSU) after the flash is complete. This has been necessary to avoid unexpected weird behavior on all of the 13th Gen BIOS updates on my Z690 Dark and Asus mobos.

I’m afraid to update

So far I find nothing to complain about. The 105 microcode definitely lowered VID and my memory overclocking seems to be great as well.
 

Didn’t you have like 8000-8200 stable before?

Yes and I don't have any doubt that it'll still do the same. Just recreating and saving my BIOS profiles and started with the lowest clock speed. 7800 works with all the same settings as it did with 2.03, 2.05 and 2.06.

Seems about the same overall except for lower VID. I have had no issues from 2.03 forward. What may make a difference for me is I don't configure my systems the way some people do. I don't use adaptive voltage or dynamic clock boosting schemes, and I don't take any kind of power saving measures into account. I just max things out at the highest stable all core clock speed I can achieve without overheating and lock everything down there with static clocks, voltage and power. I do not care about trying to minimize power consumption.

Seems OK as I suspected it would be.

BIOS v2.06
 
BIOS v2.08


I don’t know if training would ever really be an issue unless they screwed something up very badly. For me it’s always a concern regarding stuff like Y-cruncher VST and TM5 ABSOLUT. I’m wondering if ‘Improves Memory Stability’ means 7800 will work for me now.

It should...
 
 

I mean like for daily with VST and ABSOLUT. There isn’t really any way to know until I try, but if someone else manages to break through a barrier they previously had it might help to let me know if it’s worth the effort. I could probably do Y-2.5B with it before. I just couldn’t get it stable for daily unfortunately.
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/15 08:40:48 (permalink)
Finally i can do a conclusion of max stable mem OC. Three kits of Samsung-B, three of Hynix-M and two Hynix-A on Classified with two 12600k and one 12900ks
So max stable frequency limit on 12gen with this board is: Samsung B-die 6200, Hynix M-die 6400, Hynix A-die 7000
Very poor result, if you ask me(C)
Vince said to me that Z690 Classified is not his project and he dont have any relation to this board, lol. Thats why Classy is behaving like a cheap board



post edited by rulik006 - 2023/01/15 08:42:46
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/15 08:42:56 (permalink)
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After updating from bios on Classified motherboard hangs on 92
also, flashed via flashback button - same story
2.08 DOA



Has your board been replaced under warranty? Seems like you have just had a bad experience all around and it makes me sad to see the troubles you have endured. I've never owned a Classified motherboard, but I have owned X299 Dark, Z490 Dark, Z590 Dark and now my Z690 Dark and they have been, without question, the best motherboards I have ever owned. To the contrary, every Rampage and Maximus Hero and Apex board I have own (on the same chipsets mentioned) has experience some sort of catastrophic failure, including damaging other components in the process. (Their horrible warranty process adds insult to injury, too.) The only Asus boards I have owned that have been reliable are their less expensive Prime and Strix models.
I'm wondering if you shouldn't look into an RMA if you haven't already.

Classified working good, except weak memory oc and lame bioses, like previous with shutdown issues and 2.08 with 92 hang. Just switched to 2.03, i will re-flash bad 2.08 with next update
Sent motherboard back to USA from Ukraine? it will cost a lot of money and useless - board is working


I also had the 92 hang.  Switched bios, booted, then switched to the bad bios and tried to reflash and it was a no-go.  BUT, it then booted into the bios.  In the bios, I noticed that the Intel ME information was blank and no security module was detected.  When I rebooted from here, I got an error 92 again.  So, switched the bios back to my known good, booted, switched back to the bad bios and recovered it with 2.06.  After booting with 2.06 fresh, reinstalled 2.08 again and this time it took without a hitch.  
 
Out of curiosity, have you updated your Intel ME firmware outside of the bios update?  I have and I'm thinking that may have been what caused my hiccup. 

I had the latest ME before doing the BIOS update. Doing BIOS updates wipes the ME section of the chip as well, as I’ve observed twice now that updating the BIOS reverts to xxxx1865 which EVGA seem set on using. I updated to the latest xxxx2091 on my primary BIOS chip after I got 2.08 flashed onto it.


I honestly don’t know what’s causing these weird issues for you guys. All I can think is that some Dark samples are just buggy.
post edited by TheAffxct - 2023/01/15 08:45:11
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/15 09:42:49 (permalink)
rulik006
Finally i can do a conclusion of max stable mem OC. Three kits of Samsung-B, three of Hynix-M and two Hynix-A on Classified with two 12600k and one 12900ks
So max stable frequency limit on 12gen with this board is: Samsung B-die 6200, Hynix M-die 6400, Hynix A-die 7000
Very poor result, if you ask me(C)
Vince said to me that Z690 Classified is not his project and he dont have any relation to this board, lol. Thats why Classy is behaving like a cheap board
Kind of an apples to oranges comparison. If the Classified were equal to the Dark, or a Strix were equal to an Apex, there would be no point in having two options and one would not be more affordable than the other. The lesser models should not be equal to the flagship model, and it is not reasonable to expect them to be.


Being a 4-DIMM board also is not helpful. The max bootable overclock for my Asus Z690+E board is 6800. The max stable is 6400. That max stable functionality limit is a brick wall with Samsung B-die, Hynix A-die and M-die.

The Dark and Unify-X and Apex are all excellent at memory overclocking. They are all 2-DIMM boards built with memory overclocking as one of the primary points of focus, and they have a higher price tag.

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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/15 09:55:49 (permalink)
EVGA reached the bottom... on previous bios updates, me and some other guy posted information about G.Skill Flare X5 5600c36, which is not working on Classified properly, board sees only one stick
Today i got some Flare X5 6000c36 and tested with this new 2.08 and guess what!? PROBLEM IS NOT SOLVED

F5-6000J3636F16GX2-FX5
F5-5600J3636C16GX2-FX5
is this a joke? is EVGA Taiwan lab can't buy 130$ Flare X5 kit then test by themselfs and see or what??
Or this information was not granted? 
Moderators can give me email to taiwan lab, i can do better QA then they are



post edited by rulik006 - 2023/01/15 10:38:21
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/15 12:10:43 (permalink)
In an earlier post, I had mentioned blank ME data and neglected to mention the blank TPM info when I had the error 92 issue flashing 2.08 on a classy.  After finally getting 2.08 to take, all seemed well and both ME & TPM were reflected.  In testing, same settings used as previous bios all seemed good and stability testing was positive; however, I started seeing random lockups.  Pulling up the event viewer, it appears that TPM was encountering "non-recoverable errors in the TPM hardware" preventing the TPM service from being used.  This coincided with my crashes. 
 
As such, I'm back on 2.06 now as I'd never seen that issue before.
 

 
 
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/15 13:10:24 (permalink)
rulik006
After updating from bios on Classified motherboard hangs on 92
also, flashed via flashback button - same story
2.08 DOA





i have the same exact issue, stops at 92,  i cant load any bios from 2.02 to 2.08, im starting to think my mobo is bad
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/15 14:53:31 (permalink)
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rulik006
After updating from bios on Classified motherboard hangs on 92
also, flashed via flashback button - same story
2.08 DOA





i have the same exact issue, stops at 92,  i cant load any bios from 2.02 to 2.08, im starting to think my mobo is bad

It very well could be. I would contact them about it by phone and see if you can RMA.

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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/15 15:12:27 (permalink)
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rulik006
After updating from bios on Classified motherboard hangs on 92
also, flashed via flashback button - same story
2.08 DOA

i have the same exact issue, stops at 92,  i cant load any bios from 2.02 to 2.08, im starting to think my mobo is bad

Classified?
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/15 16:30:22 (permalink)
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After updating from bios on Classified motherboard hangs on 92
also, flashed via flashback button - same story
2.08 DOA

i have the same exact issue, stops at 92,  i cant load any bios from 2.02 to 2.08, im starting to think my mobo is bad

Classified?


yes on my z690 classy
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 09:12:28 (permalink)
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4080 FE w/ latest firmware
2.08 no picture at post, no bios settings, no output until windows login with displayport

This would still be on the NVIDIA side.  I'd double-check that you're using the latest firmware here:
https://forums.evga.com/NVIDIA-Firmware-Fix-for-4090-FE-4080-FE-for-no-picture-at-POST-m3586751.aspx
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 09:56:05 (permalink)
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rulik006
After updating from bios on Classified motherboard hangs on 92
also, flashed via flashback button - same story
2.08 DOA





i have the same exact issue, stops at 92,  i cant load any bios from 2.02 to 2.08, im starting to think my mobo is bad




Hello, I updated my Classified bios from 2.06 to 2.08 and I also having the same issue. Stops at 92 on the EVGA Classified boot/splash screen. 

PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G6
MB: EVGA Z690 CLASSIFIED (bios v. 2.12)
CPU: Intel Core i9-12900K
CPU Cooler: EVGA CLC 360mm
Memory: Corsair 32 GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6000mhz
Monitor: Alienware AW2521H 
GPU: EVGA 3080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA 
Case: Corsair 5000D Airflow 
OS: Windows 11 Pro
Keyboard: EVGA Z20
Mouse: Finalmouse Starlight Poseidon
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 10:01:34 (permalink)
Thanks for the reports.  I'll have our team look into this issue.
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 11:21:58 (permalink)
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After updating from bios on Classified motherboard hangs on 92
also, flashed via flashback button - same story
2.08 DOA

i have the same exact issue, stops at 92,  i cant load any bios from 2.02 to 2.08, im starting to think my mobo is bad

Classified?
also have Classified and also hate this board now, worst soft on market, and worst OC potential. For example z690 a-pro works same in OC, why 6 layers board same as 10 layers with good vrm?

With love 13700kf hynix mdie

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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 13:00:25 (permalink)
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Thanks for the reports.  I'll have our team look into this issue.


 
@EVGATech_LeeM I did manage to get my system to boot to desktop with bios v2.08, no more hang with code 92. I shut my system off, turn off power supply, turned power supply back on and cleared cmos then I was able to boot into bios (I did reset my setting to default before flashing v2.08). While in bios I turned off fast boot, saved and it works. I can boot with 2.08 now.
 
However...
 
Two issue I have with bios 2.06 and 2.08 at the moment (not using 2.06 anymore but same issues with both bios versions). Every morning I start my system it boots to bios screen with "something has changed" like VMD or CPU and memory has changed. This dose not happen with bios v1.15. I have bios v1.15 as a backup on my second bios chip and I tested this to verify my findings. The other issue is coil whine and the whine is a lot louder when moving my mouse. I do not have any coil whine using bios v1.15. Coil whine is very noticeable on my system since bios v2.06 and v2.08. 
 
 

PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G6
MB: EVGA Z690 CLASSIFIED (bios v. 2.12)
CPU: Intel Core i9-12900K
CPU Cooler: EVGA CLC 360mm
Memory: Corsair 32 GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6000mhz
Monitor: Alienware AW2521H 
GPU: EVGA 3080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA 
Case: Corsair 5000D Airflow 
OS: Windows 11 Pro
Keyboard: EVGA Z20
Mouse: Finalmouse Starlight Poseidon
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 13:02:59 (permalink)
I've noticed none of the EVGA bios's update the ME, so I updated mine over the weekend to 16.1.25.2020. There is also 16.1.25.2091 out now. 
 

 
The way I updated mine, was download the bundle for the Apex Z790 (MEUpdateTool_16.1.25.2020_T) then use the tools in the FW folder and use the following command in CMD (Admin) FWUpdLcl64.exe -F <File Location>. Also to add, ME only allows a upgrade and not a roll back. 
 
A good repo for them is here: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?126385-FIRMWARE-Intel-ME-(H610-B660-H670-Z690-B760-H770-Z790)
 
2.08 seems good for me so far but A-Die seems very picky with a 12900KS (I am guessing 7000-7400, seems about the highest stable), I have not had chance to install the 13900K as its been in the Apex for now. 
 
 
 
 
post edited by ArcturusUK - 2023/01/16 13:52:16
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 13:19:45 (permalink)
You can get the 2229.3.2.0 version ME from the z790 download page. I installed that and it seems to be working fine. You can get 2216.16.0.2805 from Intel's site as well, which shows up as 2210.2.80.0 once installed. I can't remember what version shows up in device manager after installing the one from the z790 downloads page, but it is newer than the 2210.2.80.0 one. It's interesting, the 2216 one on Intel's site says it's from July 2022. The 2229.3.2.0 details in the Microsoft Update Catalog list it as releasing in July 2022, but the 2210.2.80.0 in the update catalog say it's from March 2022. So...yeah...idk if any of them really make a difference, but I'd go with either the Intel site one or the one from the z790 page as they both seem to work fine. I am on 13900k though and I was trying to get the latest one so that I could try some of the Intel XTU features out.

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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 14:33:36 (permalink)
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You can get the 2229.3.2.0 version ME from the z790 download page. I installed that and it seems to be working fine. You can get 2216.16.0.2805 from Intel's site as well, which shows up as 2210.2.80.0 once installed. I can't remember what version shows up in device manager after installing the one from the z790 downloads page, but it is newer than the 2210.2.80.0 one. It's interesting, the 2216 one on Intel's site says it's from July 2022. The 2229.3.2.0 details in the Microsoft Update Catalog list it as releasing in July 2022, but the 2210.2.80.0 in the update catalog say it's from March 2022. So...yeah...idk if any of them really make a difference, but I'd go with either the Intel site one or the one from the z790 page as they both seem to work fine. I am on 13900k though and I was trying to get the latest one so that I could try some of the Intel XTU features out.


Those are the drivers, not the firmware.  For drivers, I'm running 2247.3.5.0 and for firmware I'm running 16.1.25.2091. ArcturusUK's image above is the ME section of the bios showing the firmware, but the drivers are only associated with Windows itself so not reflected there. 
 

 
 
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 14:44:02 (permalink)
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B0baganoosh
You can get the 2229.3.2.0 version ME from the z790 download page. I installed that and it seems to be working fine. You can get 2216.16.0.2805 from Intel's site as well, which shows up as 2210.2.80.0 once installed. I can't remember what version shows up in device manager after installing the one from the z790 downloads page, but it is newer than the 2210.2.80.0 one. It's interesting, the 2216 one on Intel's site says it's from July 2022. The 2229.3.2.0 details in the Microsoft Update Catalog list it as releasing in July 2022, but the 2210.2.80.0 in the update catalog say it's from March 2022. So...yeah...idk if any of them really make a difference, but I'd go with either the Intel site one or the one from the z790 page as they both seem to work fine. I am on 13900k though and I was trying to get the latest one so that I could try some of the Intel XTU features out.


Those are the drivers, not the firmware.  For drivers, I'm running 2247.3.5.0 and for firmware I'm running 16.1.25.2091. ArcturusUK's image above is the ME section of the bios showing the firmware, but the drivers are only associated with Windows itself so not reflected there. 
 



Ah, whoops. Sorry. Still sort of helpful if anybody was looking for driver information I guess, but my bad.

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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 15:21:42 (permalink)
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Thanks for the reports.  I'll have our team look into this issue.


Do not forget about G.Skill Flare X5, which not working properly in dual channel
That is bigger problem than 92 2.08 hang
 
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Kind of an apples to oranges comparison. If the Classified were equal to the Dark, or a Strix were equal to an Apex, there would be no point in having two options and one would not be more affordable than the other. The lesser models should not be equal to the flagship model, and it is not reasonable to expect them to be.
Being a 4-DIMM board also is not helpful. The max bootable overclock for my Asus Z690+E board is 6800. The max stable is 6400. That max stable functionality limit is a brick wall with Samsung B-die, Hynix A-die and M-die.
The Dark and Unify-X and Apex are all excellent at memory overclocking. They are all 2-DIMM boards built with memory overclocking as one of the primary points of focus, and they have a higher price tag.

Classified is equal to budget boards.
But not to the price range competitors like Z690-F Strix and Z690 Master, they both able to run higher memory clocks stable
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/16 17:00:06 (permalink)

 
Never had the problem with 2.06
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/17 22:23:43 (permalink)
There is no tangible benefit to updating Intel ME firmware or drivers, or Intel Chipset "drivers" (which are not actually drivers at all). There is no point in EVGA updating it either. An Intel ME firmware update will not improve performance, but has potential to impair performance through the worthless watchdog timer. This can be disabled in the BIOS and ME drivers omitted because it serves no valid functional purpose on a consumer product unless they are using vPro. It is designed for use in an enterprise environment and as a backdoor access point that can be exploited by hackers, Intel and Micro$lop. For this reason it is often disabled on government computer systems. EVGA also leaves it unlocked so you can easily flash an old ME version if you wish to do that. Most OEMs do not allow it to be disabled/enabled in the BIOS at will, or downgraded to an older firmware version.
 
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At the end of the day you're better off with a bricked ME than a functional one. The behavior and stability of your computer will be unaffected, but it might be more secure.
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/17 22:52:33 (permalink)
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Classified is equal to budget boards.
But not to the price range competitors like Z690-F Strix and Z690 Master, they both able to run higher memory clocks stable

So you bought 4 dimm board, uncommon cheap dimms, only one 12gen cpu 
and expect to overlock and work well ? sorry but ADL/RPL is pay to win
 
The better suited hardware you purchased for the task, the better you set it up.
 
I never saw the reason to classified to exist, looks like a cut-down of dark, instead of focusing on dark (which goes for very good price later on)
dark has many small issues, but everyone is happy
 
I bet you will have not greater experience with both strix and master too. All z690 4 dimmers are terrible in overclock regard (is not cause you saw one sample doing good clocks in overclocknet that its very common, most overclock net results are unstable and accidentally handpicked bins),
I understand you could really like the brand evga and like to use their products, but classified is not really popular, if you want the less amount of issues you also should get something really popular dont u think(could be even an asus ye)
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/17 23:00:56 (permalink)
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rulik006
 
Classified is equal to budget boards.
But not to the price range competitors like Z690-F Strix and Z690 Master, they both able to run higher memory clocks stable



So you bought 4 dimm board, uncommon cheap dimms, only one 12gen cpu 
and expect to overlock and work well ? sorry but ADL/RPL is pay to win
 
The better suited hardware you purchased for the task, the better your set it up.
 
I never saw the reason to classified to exist, looks like a cut-down of dark, instead of focusing on dark (which goes for very good price later on)
dark has many small issues but everyone is happy
 
I bet you will have worse experience with both strix and master too. All z690 4 dimmers are terrible in overclock regard,
I understand your could really like the brand evga and like to use their products, but classified is not really popular, if you want the less amount of issues you also should get something really popular dont u think(could be an asus ye)


The best and most permanent cure to choosing ASUS over something else is a horrendous warranty/RMA experience. It is slow, painful and abusive. Expect for them to look for ways to make their product failures your fault, and a 4 to 8 week process to run its course. Their high end motherboards are good at overclocking, but highly prone to failure and manufacturing defects. And, take good high resolution photos of the CPU socket. They have a mysterious ability to get bent during shipping even with the socket cover in place. I have several good friends in the overclocking community that were sent photos of bent pins along with a warranty denial that did not match the photos taken prior to shipping.
 
Every Rampage, Maximus Hero and Apex motherboard I have owned has experienced a failure of some sort that required an RMA. My Z490 Apex actually caught on fire due a short in some defective SMDs. In every case the process took more than a month and involved bickering with their incompetent and abusive support staff. I was told at the point of first contact that the fire "was not covered by warranty" and had to escalate it before they would even provide an RMA number to me. They didn't ask if anyone was hurt or if there was other property damage caused by the fire, just an irrational denial without any knowledge of the cause. That took about 8 weeks to resolve because they had to do a forensic examination to determine the cause of the fire and confirm the board could not be repaired and returned to me. (I am not joking... this is how idiotic they are.)
 
Oddly enough, their less expensive gamer and budget motherboards are much more reliable than their high end products that are priced like the Dark motherboards.
post edited by Mr. Fox - 2023/01/17 23:07:40

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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/17 23:28:28 (permalink)
Dang, i had two z490 apex and they worked fine for years, but ye. if one sticker is strikethrough you loose ur rma ability X_D
I heard awesome things from evga in the warranty and consumer loyalty/help when its regard gpus, i dont know any about motherboard
It was always a dream to have a dark motherboard, since i live in brazil where i can only buy one using amazon.com international shipping. Had to pay 1150$ to my dark(was on discount) and very happy. My oc results are more than pleasing to ME, but seens people are obssessive to high numbers... dark is guaranteed to make 6933 1T or better with ease. Thats not something u should ignore
 
I saw guys struggling in 7800 2T in z790 apex believe me or not.. Yes its skill issue and temperature issues, but.. people want stuff working out of the box kinda..
The amateur average guy that does 7800/8000 not really stable and with loose things everywhere will also be much worse than those guaranteed 6933 1t well done
my riftbreaker cpu bench cpu time is 11.2, im still waiting some guys i know that are perfect stable and above 8400mts to bench the same thing, but i will be surprised if theres a difference
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Re: Beta BIOS for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.08) / CLASSIFIED (2.08) [13900KS support and more] 2023/01/17 23:45:37 (permalink)
Nice work on 2.08 EVGA! 8000 CL36 nice and stable on my Dark with 13900K, previously only able to get 7800 CL36 stable, now 8000 works flawlessly. 8200 is still a no go for me, but the IMC on this particular chip isn't great so I think with a different chip 8200 would be doable. Great work, thanks! 

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