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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/23 06:45:23 (permalink)
yeah the Luumi bios is just a test version of 1.0x - any optimizations would have made it in to 1.07. board has an 8000 MT Luumi oc profile
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/23 11:39:58 (permalink)
Yeah I just picked up another kit and same error 12 28 54
 

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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/24 16:06:43 (permalink)
I finally managed to get 7600 working on the Dark. I can’t believe it. Mr Fox’s ODTs were used so I must give a massive thanks. I’m not sure if they were the deciding factor, but I began my testing with them locked in and it seemed to help my memory training. Funnily enough my power cut out just as TM5 finished testing, but I did take a video thankfully.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/24 18:01:38 (permalink)
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I finally managed to get 7600 working on the Dark. I can’t believe it. Mr Fox’s ODTs were used so I must give a massive thanks. I’m not sure if they were the deciding factor, but I began my testing with them locked in and it seemed to help my memory training. Funnily enough my power cut out just as TM5 finished testing, but I did take a video thankfully.

Wonderful. Glad to hear that they might have been helpful in some measure. Have a wonderful Christmas Day and New Year.

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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/24 21:13:29 (permalink)
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I finally managed to get 7600 working on the Dark. I can’t believe it. Mr Fox’s ODTs were used so I must give a massive thanks. I’m not sure if they were the deciding factor, but I began my testing with them locked in and it seemed to help my memory training. Funnily enough my power cut out just as TM5 finished testing, but I did take a video thankfully.

Wonderful. Glad to hear that they might have been helpful in some measure. Have a wonderful Christmas Day and New Year.

I’m alarmingly close to 7800 somehow as well now. They’re definitely assisting in some or other way; I can’t thank you enough and I wish you an amazing festive season as well!
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/24 21:39:02 (permalink)
Hi! Im trying to find Me. Fox's ODT information or similar. Any chance you have a link. I'm just learning but getting 7200 32-40-40-88 running for my Planetside 2 rig and it's great. Also why is tRAS timings on the OC Profiles so low when EVGA ecommends tCL+tRP+tRPT for a tRAS value. happy Holidays Ya'll
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/24 22:43:58 (permalink)
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Hi! Im trying to find Me. Fox's ODT information or similar. Any chance you have a link. I'm just learning but getting 7200 32-40-40-88 running for my Planetside 2 rig and it's great. Also why is tRAS timings on the OC Profiles so low when EVGA ecommends tCL+tRP+tRPT for a tRAS value. happy Holidays Ya'll

40-40 will be difficult at 7200 (not sure if you already have it stable). 32-42-42-28 is a general go-to combo of timings if Hynix M/A at 7200MT/s. The ODTs are on page 3 or 4.

RttWr - 0
RttNomRd - 48
RttNomWr - 48
RttPark - 40
RttParkDqs - 34

They’re the same for both DIMMs.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/25 13:10:15 (permalink)
Z690 Classified with 12th gen max 7200. 7400 bootable but unstable
seems like with 13th gen limit is 7600, not much

post edited by rulik006 - 2022/12/26 15:21:05
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/26 08:50:40 (permalink)
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Z690 Classified with 12th gen max 7200. 7400 bootable but unstable
seems like with 13th gen limit is 7600, not much


its adie? on mdie 13 gen mdie and classi dont works) 6600 max with vddq over 1.4(if less bsod or many errors when i start tm5):D 



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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/26 15:26:55 (permalink)
Ekwb1103 its adie? on mdie 13 gen mdie and classi dont works) 6600 max with vddq over 1.4(if less bsod or many errors when i start tm5):D 

it was A-die
Try CPU VDDQ TX 1.15-1.25v
Also, can push Samsung B-die 6600 on classi with 12th gen
but there some issue with DP signal loss if using HD770 + samsung memory over 6200 
And still this board is worse than Z690-F Strix

post edited by rulik006 - 2022/12/26 15:36:06
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/26 19:14:04 (permalink)
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Hi! Im trying to find Me. Fox's ODT information or similar. Any chance you have a link. I'm just learning but getting 7200 32-40-40-88 running for my Planetside 2 rig and it's great. Also why is tRAS timings on the OC Profiles so low when EVGA ecommends tCL+tRP+tRPT for a tRAS value. happy Holidays Ya'll

40-40 will be difficult at 7200 (not sure if you already have it stable). 32-42-42-28 is a general go-to combo of timings if Hynix M/A at 7200MT/s. The ODTs are on page 3 or 4.

RttWr - 0
RttNomRd - 48
RttNomWr - 48
RttPark - 40
RttParkDqs - 34

They’re the same for both DIMMs.

I don't know if this will help or not, but on the chance that it will, here are my settings with M-die. If your M-die silicon is as good or better it should work fine unless your CPU has a weak IMC. I have two pairs of Hynix M-die. The other pair will not run stable with these settings because the silicon quality is not as good.
 
 
post edited by Mr. Fox - 2022/12/26 19:19:12

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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/27 07:31:01 (permalink)
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Hi! Im trying to find Me. Fox's ODT information or similar. Any chance you have a link. I'm just learning but getting 7200 32-40-40-88 running for my Planetside 2 rig and it's great. Also why is tRAS timings on the OC Profiles so low when EVGA ecommends tCL+tRP+tRPT for a tRAS value. happy Holidays Ya'll

40-40 will be difficult at 7200 (not sure if you already have it stable). 32-42-42-28 is a general go-to combo of timings if Hynix M/A at 7200MT/s. The ODTs are on page 3 or 4.

RttWr - 0
RttNomRd - 48
RttNomWr - 48
RttPark - 40
RttParkDqs - 34

They’re the same for both DIMMs.

I don't know if this will help or not, but on the chance that it will, here are my settings with M-die. If your M-die silicon is as good or better it should work fine unless your CPU has a weak IMC. I have two pairs of Hynix M-die. The other pair will not run stable with these settings because the silicon quality is not as good.
 
 
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/27 07:49:34 (permalink)
Thank you Mr. Fox! I cleared CMOS and your settings trained right away and booting memtest86 showed about 48 errors first run. (I'm learning memtest so I don't know how critical but it was an improvement from 500+ errors before ODT and loosening 40 to 42).,
Is 54x pcore and 49x ring 12900k OC too aggressive for this memory OC? Thank you. The ODT values seem to help alot. I've been running BIOS 2.03, should I try 1.15? . ;). EVGA is the best

Z690 Dark bios 2.03
12900K
1300 Supernova P2
Teamgroup Delta 6800 34-44-44-84
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/27 10:28:02 (permalink)
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Thank you Mr. Fox! I cleared CMOS and your settings trained right away and booting memtest86 showed about 48 errors first run. (I'm learning memtest so I don't know how critical but it was an improvement from 500+ errors before ODT and loosening 40 to 42).,
Is 54x pcore and 49x ring 12900k OC too aggressive for this memory OC? Thank you. The ODT values seem to help alot. I've been running BIOS 2.03, should I try 1.15? . ;). EVGA is the best

Z690 Dark bios 2.03
12900K
1300 Supernova P2
Teamgroup Delta 6800 34-44-44-84

Your kit is A-die for sure. Different IC than Mr Fox uses. Try increasing tRFC to 100ns and tRFCpb to 90ns. Basically the amount of ticks / clock speed in GHz. So for instance with 7200MT/s:
360 tRFC / 3.6GHz (3600MHz) = 100
324 tRFCpb / 3.6GHz (3600MHz) = 90

A-die can’t do low tRFC, low tRRDS, low tRTP, or low tWR.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/27 11:13:06 (permalink)
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Thank you Mr. Fox! I cleared CMOS and your settings trained right away and booting memtest86 showed about 48 errors first run. (I'm learning memtest so I don't know how critical but it was an improvement from 500+ errors before ODT and loosening 40 to 42).,
Is 54x pcore and 49x ring 12900k OC too aggressive for this memory OC? Thank you. The ODT values seem to help alot. I've been running BIOS 2.03, should I try 1.15? . ;). EVGA is the best

Z690 Dark bios 2.03
12900K
1300 Supernova P2
Teamgroup Delta 6800 34-44-44-84

Your kit is A-die for sure. Different IC than Mr Fox uses. Try increasing tRFC to 100ns and tRFCpb to 90ns. Basically the amount of ticks / clock speed in GHz. So for instance with 7200MT/s:
360 tRFC / 3.6GHz (3600MHz) = 100
324 tRFCpb / 3.6GHz (3600MHz) = 90

A-die can’t do low tRFC, low tRRDS, low tRTP, or low tWR.

You're welcome. Glad it helped. If you are using a 12900K, I would try 1.15 and 2.03 on the other two BIOS positions and test the memory settings with each BIOS version to compare the behavior to 2.05. BIOS 2.03 or 2.05 should typically be better suited to A-die, but @TheAffxct is correct that you will have to loosen up those timings for A-die. M-die can run tighter tRFC, tRRDS, tRTP and tWR, but not clock as high. You may also try bumping the memory voltage (VDD) to 1.460 or 1.470V or 1.500V and see if it helps with the errors. 
 
You can also trying lowering the P-core and ring clocks to something more modest like 52x and 45x and see if the memory errors go away. If that fixes it, increase the P-cores back to 54x and re-test. If it is good, increase the ring clock by one bin, test, repeat until the errors resurface. The ring clock being too high is more likely to be an issue than the core clock, but either can have an effect.
 
post edited by Mr. Fox - 2022/12/27 11:16:17

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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/27 11:45:12 (permalink)
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Z690 Classified with 12th gen max 7200. 7400 bootable but unstable
seems like with 13th gen limit is 7600, not much


its adie? on mdie 13 gen mdie and classi dont works) 6600 max with vddq over 1.4(if less bsod or many errors when i start tm5):D 

Tested second kit of A-die today on Z690 classified, green kit from Hynix
Guys, i can tell that this board is pure trash even 6800 is hard to stabilize, good thing that i paid low price for used.

and Z790 Classified currently 700$, this is laughable, im sure this board same garbage as previous classy. For that price z790 apex available in every country.
So I highly recommend sell yours z690 Classified if you want something above 6400.
Its just a scam from EVGA, board loosing to others 4dimm board with less PCB layers.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/27 22:54:44 (permalink)
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Z690 Classified with 12th gen max 7200. 7400 bootable but unstable
seems like with 13th gen limit is 7600, not much


its adie? on mdie 13 gen mdie and classi dont works) 6600 max with vddq over 1.4(if less bsod or many errors when i start tm5):D 

Tested second kit of A-die today on Z690 classified, green kit from Hynix
Guys, i can tell that this board is pure trash even 6800 is hard to stabilize, good thing that i paid low price for used.

and Z790 Classified currently 700$, this is laughable, im sure this board same garbage as previous classy. For that price z790 apex available in every country.
So I highly recommend sell yours z690 Classified if you want something above 6400.
Its just a scam from EVGA, board loosing to others 4dimm board with less PCB layers.
thanks, i hope they fix it 😂 i cry herr around month about it
Write pls in issues topic too:)
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/29 22:51:28 (permalink)
That stealth 2.06 release...  (if only it would fix those of us with Zotac cards going in to the 'memory boot loop') 
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2022/12/30 01:01:07 (permalink)
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That stealth 2.06 release...  (if only it would fix those of us with Zotac cards going in to the 'memory boot loop') 


It's a beta BIOS.  If tests well, it will be official after further testing.  I'll post an update in this section shortly.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2023/01/01 18:38:18 (permalink)
maybe my board needs an rma, 2.06 doesnt work right, 2.02 2.04 2.05 and now 2.06. if i make changes in bios and save it, it goes black and throws a random code each time. to get it to boot again, i have to hold down the power button then itll restart and post os.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2023/01/03 02:18:28 (permalink)
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maybe my board needs an rma, 2.06 doesnt work right, 2.02 2.04 2.05 and now 2.06. if i make changes in bios and save it, it goes black and throws a random code each time. to get it to boot again, i have to hold down the power button then itll restart and post os.


To be honest, in my opinion, the boards are OK. I was in your position some weeks ago. Cursing that I bought a board that does not work and that I cannot RMA.
But now, I believe that the combo Z690 / A-Die is just problematic. Its too sensitive, some memory kits are simply not compatible, tuning voltages and memory timings is a nightmare. Requires very fine tuning and trial and error and can easily start giving memory errors.
I started with an Asus Z690 Maximus Extreme, that I just could not get stable at 6600-6800 with M-Die, then read some early boards had problems getting over those speeds. So changed to this one, the Z690 Dark Kingpin, and still had a lot of issues getting the M-Die working at the speeds that I wanted, so I decided to buy a V-Color Manta 7200 Xprism A-Die kit, that when the 2.04/2.05 Bios came out was simply not compatible. Only got 1 stick detected and any change in Bios crashed the board and could boot (perhaps your issue as well). Then tried a new GSkill 8000 Kit, got it working stable at about 7400, could even run the XMP profile at any speed getting errors. Now Im using a Green pcb Hynix 5600 HMCG78AGBUA081N kit, with TheAffxct memory settings and Mr. Fox's ODT setting and a LOT of voltage trial and error and I'm at 7733 fully stable.
Now I'm trying to work my way to 8000...
What I now believe is that tech is just being rushed too fast, the Z690 / A-Die is just a nightmare! And there is not enough information out there that is easily avaliable. You have to basically guess by trial and error your CPU's preferred SA and VDDQ voltages, as well as the PLL voltages for given memory frequencies, and then the same applies to the memory kit, for the memory setting and voltages, and if something is just out of order you don't get stability. It just a nightmare, very very far from plug and play unfortunately. Or perhaps I'm just getting old and out of the loop, as I had skipped overclocking on the 11 and 12th generation and I just don't know what to do anymore.
I'm starting to like the board and the BIOS but on the middle of my panic I bought a Z790 Apex that I should get by next week. Hopefully it will help me reach 8000+ memory frequencies.
Sorry for the long rant, but long story short: I think the boards are OK, just very sensitive to memory kits.
 
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2023/01/03 09:35:04 (permalink)
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maybe my board needs an rma, 2.06 doesnt work right, 2.02 2.04 2.05 and now 2.06. if i make changes in bios and save it, it goes black and throws a random code each time. to get it to boot again, i have to hold down the power button then itll restart and post os.


Which code(s) are you getting? 
 
Try doing this once:  Power down the board and turn off the power supply.  Discharge the power by holding down the power for a few seconds.  Reset CMOS, then flip the power supply back on, boot the motherboard and then see if the issues continue to occur.
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Re: BIOS Updates for Z690 DARK K|NGP|N (2.05) / CLASSIFIED (2.05) [Ring control/vcore volt 2023/01/03 15:05:24 (permalink)
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maybe my board needs an rma, 2.06 doesnt work right, 2.02 2.04 2.05 and now 2.06. if i make changes in bios and save it, it goes black and throws a random code each time. to get it to boot again, i have to hold down the power button then itll restart and post os.


Which code(s) are you getting? 
 
Try doing this once:  Power down the board and turn off the power supply.  Discharge the power by holding down the power for a few seconds.  Reset CMOS, then flip the power supply back on, boot the motherboard and then see if the issues continue to occur.


yeah ive done that numerous times, acutally i just put it in a new case, so it had no power i held down the reset cmos for a good minute, it didnt reset any of my settings at all. i get the infamous 7f 53,54 no booting, the random  codes i cant recall specifically
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