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I just wanted to ask if anyone on here has managed to stabilise 7800-8200. I mean like TM5 ABSOLUT, Karhu 10K+, or HCI 600%+ and with some or other IMC test and verification of reboot stability. I don’t ask this as a taunt or challenge, I actually need to gauge what this board can do.

I’m not far from grabbing a new chip; I’m just waiting for a used 13900K to pop up and I suspect it’ll happen when the KS drops in a few weeks. I’m contemplating selling the Dark to a friend if it has a hard limit that defeats its use case for me.

I know that 8000+ GB3 runs have been done, but I specifically mean for daily reboot stability. I really just need to know if anyone out there can confirm this. I don’t need any sort of IMC voltages, ODTs or anything other than just your word, or a basic screenshot of a reasonable amount of testing with the speed and timings, and verification of reboot stability and daily usability so I can get an idea of how much is left in the tank on this thing.

TIA if anyone out there would be willing to reply to me on this.

I don't have memory modules that are of good enough quality to run those clock speeds with respectably tight timings with 100% stability, and certainly not of adequate quality for anything like TM5 Absolut. I'm not sure how many people do, but I doubt there are many. I am finding a lot of inconsistency in silicon quality with DDR5 and more expensive doesn't always equate to better. I have purchased and returned about 8 retail DDR5 kits in the past 6 months, most of which were rubbish, and none of them have been as stable as my four generic naked green SK Hynix DDR5 16GB M-die modules with no XMP profiles. I have had a couple of retail kits that could boot and run benchmarks at 8000, but as soon as I start to tighten up loose timingsand bump up the voltage to correct the sloppy write, copy and latency performance they tend to crap out in stability tests. Even an extraordinarily good silicon sample is going to throw errors with the lousy factory thermal solutions they ship with. The garbage they call heatsinks actually cause them to run hotter than naked sticks with a fan blowing on them, and unless you can keep them below 45°C (I have mine on water) you are going to see errors in TM5 and MemTest Pro.

 
I just purchased 7800 g skills at the micro center by me and a new 13900k cpu " third one " and same result for me here. Max stable is 7400mhz. Same as the last three memory kits and cpus. Can I have a good motherboard please evga? I have so much potential in hardware and unfortunately it would seem the motherboard is holding me back at this point. I just got unlucky and got a lower bin one apparently. It's still better than my z690 Apex that I had by 200Mhz in 1t and probably 400Mhz in 2t.
 
This CPU is the best one I've had yet VID wise. Obviously, the memory is good for $400 it better be lol.
 
EVGA hear me out. I've been doing overlocking since I was fifteen and have access to liquid nitrogen like no other for free lol. I broke records last night with h20 at 5.7Ghz " as far as 5.7Ghz speeds go on water " on hwbot with this below average kingpin motherboard. Throw ME A BONE PLEASE.

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I definitely feel that one. Yeah third CPU with good core silicon suggests a strong MC SP given how RPL IMC scaling works. Third kit and this time the second best bin they sell. Yeah it’s no coincidence that my max stable data rate is 7400 as well then. I actually bumped into a dude in my YT comments who needed help tightening subs, but who has managed 7800 with his 7600 XMP kit on a Z790 Aorus Elite AX. I believe it’s a TG kit. On a freakin’ 6-layer board no less.

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I just wanted to ask if anyone on here has managed to stabilise 7800-8200. I mean like TM5 ABSOLUT, Karhu 10K+, or HCI 600%+ and with some or other IMC test and verification of reboot stability. I don’t ask this as a taunt or challenge, I actually need to gauge what this board can do.

I’m not far from grabbing a new chip; I’m just waiting for a used 13900K to pop up and I suspect it’ll happen when the KS drops in a few weeks. I’m contemplating selling the Dark to a friend if it has a hard limit that defeats its use case for me.

I know that 8000+ GB3 runs have been done, but I specifically mean for daily reboot stability. I really just need to know if anyone out there can confirm this. I don’t need any sort of IMC voltages, ODTs or anything other than just your word, or a basic screenshot of a reasonable amount of testing with the speed and timings, and verification of reboot stability and daily usability so I can get an idea of how much is left in the tank on this thing.

TIA if anyone out there would be willing to reply to me on this.

I don't have memory modules that are of good enough quality to run those clock speeds with respectably tight timings with 100% stability, and certainly not of adequate quality for anything like TM5 Absolut. I'm not sure how many people do, but I doubt there are many. I am finding a lot of inconsistency in silicon quality with DDR5 and more expensive doesn't always equate to better. I have purchased and returned about 8 retail DDR5 kits in the past 6 months, most of which were rubbish, and none of them have been as stable as my four generic naked green SK Hynix DDR5 16GB M-die modules with no XMP profiles. I have had a couple of retail kits that could boot and run benchmarks at 8000, but as soon as I start to tighten up loose timingsand bump up the voltage to correct the sloppy write, copy and latency performance they tend to crap out in stability tests. Even an extraordinarily good silicon sample is going to throw errors with the lousy factory thermal solutions they ship with. The garbage they call heatsinks actually cause them to run hotter than naked sticks with a fan blowing on them, and unless you can keep them below 45°C (I have mine on water) you are going to see errors in TM5 and MemTest Pro.

I just purchased 7800 g skills at the micro center by me and a new 13900k cpu " third one " and same result for me here. Max stable is 7400mhz. Same as the last three memory kits and cpus. Can I have a good motherboard please evga? I have so much potential in hardware and unfortunately it would seem the motherboard is holding me back at this point. I just got unlucky and got a lower bin one apparently. It's still better than my z690 Apex that I had by 200Mhz in 1t and probably 400Mhz in 2t.

This CPU is the best one I've had yet VID wise. Obviously, the memory is good for $400 it better be lol.

EVGA hear me out. I've been doing overlocking since I was fifteen and have access to liquid nitrogen like no other for free lol. I broke records last night with h20 at 5.7Ghz " as far as 5.7Ghz speeds go on water " on hwbot with this below average kingpin motherboard. Throw ME A BONE PLEASE.

I definitely feel that one. Yeah third CPU with good core silicon suggests a strong MC SP given how RPL IMC scaling works. Third kit and this time the second best bin they sell. Yeah it’s no coincidence that my max stable data rate is 7400 as well then. I actually bumped into a dude in my YT comments who needed help tightening subs, but who has managed 7800 with his 7600 XMP kit on a Z790 Aorus Elite AX. I believe it’s a TG kit. On a freakin’ 6-layer board no less.

I believe there are some chintzy A-die kits out there selling for top dollar. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in now... pay premium prices for mediocre rubbish. Dead giveaway on crappy A-die is the JEDEC clock being 4800 instead of 5600. The Team Group Delta is 5600. The G.SKILL trash I returned and the Corsair Vengeance rubbish I returned were 4800, not 5600. My generic M-die modules that were system pulls that I paid $80 each for (not even a matched kit) overclock better (better timings, faster speeds and lower latency) than the G.SKILL and Corsair A-die.
 
Proper A-die has JEDEC values like this generic SK Hynix example. Notice the tag on the module... 5600, not 4800. Modules like these are what Splave is selling in HWBOT marketplace. Side benefit of modules like these is no RGB garbage and they run cooler naked with a fan blowing on them than the expensive retail kits with fake heatsinks that look nice. They are beautifying heating blankets, not legit heatsinks. You're better off with nothing if you don't want to cook your memory.

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I just wanted to ask if anyone on here has managed to stabilise 7800-8200. I mean like TM5 ABSOLUT, Karhu 10K+, or HCI 600%+ and with some or other IMC test and verification of reboot stability. I don’t ask this as a taunt or challenge, I actually need to gauge what this board can do.

I’m not far from grabbing a new chip; I’m just waiting for a used 13900K to pop up and I suspect it’ll happen when the KS drops in a few weeks. I’m contemplating selling the Dark to a friend if it has a hard limit that defeats its use case for me.

I know that 8000+ GB3 runs have been done, but I specifically mean for daily reboot stability. I really just need to know if anyone out there can confirm this. I don’t need any sort of IMC voltages, ODTs or anything other than just your word, or a basic screenshot of a reasonable amount of testing with the speed and timings, and verification of reboot stability and daily usability so I can get an idea of how much is left in the tank on this thing.

TIA if anyone out there would be willing to reply to me on this.

I don't have memory modules that are of good enough quality to run those clock speeds with respectably tight timings with 100% stability, and certainly not of adequate quality for anything like TM5 Absolut. I'm not sure how many people do, but I doubt there are many. I am finding a lot of inconsistency in silicon quality with DDR5 and more expensive doesn't always equate to better. I have purchased and returned about 8 retail DDR5 kits in the past 6 months, most of which were rubbish, and none of them have been as stable as my four generic naked green SK Hynix DDR5 16GB M-die modules with no XMP profiles. I have had a couple of retail kits that could boot and run benchmarks at 8000, but as soon as I start to tighten up loose timingsand bump up the voltage to correct the sloppy write, copy and latency performance they tend to crap out in stability tests. Even an extraordinarily good silicon sample is going to throw errors with the lousy factory thermal solutions they ship with. The garbage they call heatsinks actually cause them to run hotter than naked sticks with a fan blowing on them, and unless you can keep them below 45°C (I have mine on water) you are going to see errors in TM5 and MemTest Pro.

I just purchased 7800 g skills at the micro center by me and a new 13900k cpu " third one " and same result for me here. Max stable is 7400mhz. Same as the last three memory kits and cpus. Can I have a good motherboard please evga? I have so much potential in hardware and unfortunately it would seem the motherboard is holding me back at this point. I just got unlucky and got a lower bin one apparently. It's still better than my z690 Apex that I had by 200Mhz in 1t and probably 400Mhz in 2t.

This CPU is the best one I've had yet VID wise. Obviously, the memory is good for $400 it better be lol.

EVGA hear me out. I've been doing overlocking since I was fifteen and have access to liquid nitrogen like no other for free lol. I broke records last night with h20 at 5.7Ghz " as far as 5.7Ghz speeds go on water " on hwbot with this below average kingpin motherboard. Throw ME A BONE PLEASE.

I definitely feel that one. Yeah third CPU with good core silicon suggests a strong MC SP given how RPL IMC scaling works. Third kit and this time the second best bin they sell. Yeah it’s no coincidence that my max stable data rate is 7400 as well then. I actually bumped into a dude in my YT comments who needed help tightening subs, but who has managed 7800 with his 7600 XMP kit on a Z790 Aorus Elite AX. I believe it’s a TG kit. On a freakin’ 6-layer board no less.

I believe there are some chintzy A-die kits out there selling for top dollar. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in now... pay premium prices for mediocre rubbish. Dead giveaway on crappy A-die is the JEDEC clock being 4800 instead of 5600. The Team Group Delta is 5600. The G.SKILL trash I returned and the Corsair Vengeance rubbish I returned were 4800, not 5600. My generic M-die modules that were system pulls that I paid $80 each for (not even a matched kit) overclock better (better timings, faster speeds and lower latency) than the G.SKILL and Corsair A-die.

Proper A-die has JEDEC values like this generic SK Hynix example. Notice the tag on the module... 5600, not 4800. Modules like these are what Splave is selling in HWBOT marketplace. Side benefit of modules like these is no RGB garbage and they run cooler naked with a fan blowing on them than the expensive retail kits with fake heatsinks that look nice. They are beautifying heating blankets, not legit heatsinks. You're better off with nothing if you don't want to cook your memory.

I grabbed the 6400C32 820A kit because they were relatively well priced where I live. Unfortunately stuff like the green A-die is pretty much inaccessible for me. I’m not sure if this matters though. I came across a guy on OCN who got 8200C34 out of my exact kit with a decent 13700K on a Z790 Apex. My kit can do 7400, but it just took a lot of effort maintaining reboot instability because my IMC is literally one of the worst RPL IMCs on Earth. Not figuratively, it actually statistically is depending on how much can be drawn from SP ratings. I guess this new info about the Dark also sheds more light on the situation.

It's probably an inferior silicon quality on your memory modules. They're all over the board just like CPUs.

salmanmarvasti
"Z690 Classified does not booting with  Samsung B-die "
I am getting that issue but more worrying is I tried z690-e strixx and that has the same issue but other way around. it will only work on one channel but it can see 32GB.
meanwhile the Asus strixx board can run my CPU at 5.8Ghz while the EVGA classified can't post past 5.4.
What is this? i thought this is a upgrade is Asus that much better in bios?

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rulik006
Z690 Classified does not booting with Samsung B-die 
with one stick in any slot motherboard wont boot - 53/54 loop
with two sticks it will boot, but will see only half 
Memory works perfectly with other boards - Msi Z690 Force and Asus Z690-F Strix

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I think just flash back to 2.03, I don’t think 2.04/2.05 play nice with everyone’s individual board samples, memory ICs and CPU IMCs. That’s the only logical deduction. For some they run amazingly well, and for others, they compromise the memory subsystem.

Yeah, totally. 2.04 would have actually been acceptable for me if not for the ring clock issue. Memory overclocking was fantastic for me (Hynix M-die). I am going to revisit 2.05 when my TG Delta A-die kit arrives. If it works great I will keep the A-die. If it doesn't I will probably send it back for a refund. I am wondering if it is so optimized for A-die that it's just not any good for anything else.
 

Kadao
Just writing back to say that testing with the new Gskill 8000 kit the bios works fine. Both sticks detected and can run at 8000 thought not fully stable. I can benchmark and have played games for about an hour without issues, but can't pass 2 minutes with TestMem5.
The issue with my a-die kit is still the same, I guess the 2.04 and 2.05 have issues with some memory kits.

Mr. Fox
Looks like Brother Luumi is still rocking it hard on the Z690 Dark.
EVGA, please give us the BIOS that Luumi is using in this video (it is a beta v0.00 dated 10/17/2022).