gravedigger78
Why is everyone so fixated on which is better?! It is so case sensitive for the love of all that is holy.  An auto is not "better" than a manual in every instance. A manual is not "better" than an auto in every instance.  
 
I think it would be more thought provoking ti discuss instances were an auto would be better and were a manual would be better.
 
Reference post #52

Well of course one is not better than the other. Even before this thread got popular I made a post how retarded this thread is right here.

Holo

zeroseoul
Auto vs Manual will always be an area of arguments.
 
Everyday situations, auto is ideal, although manual would be OK.
Motorsports, most, if not all motorsports have manual transmission. Flappy Paddle gearboxes are still manual. (F1 cars use a interesting clutch system)
 
Some of you guys argue that automatically shift faster, in this day and age automatics have come a long way. Automatics can shift significantly faster than what a professional can shift at, but a lot of people are missing the point when they argue that Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Mclaren, etc have fitted automatic transmissions. But these are the upper end of the automotive world, these transmissions are far from what you would get in any entry level car, mid range car, even in BMW's or Mercs.
 
Furthermore, most of these monsters of machines come with a "manual" flappy paddle gearbox mode for when you are on the track. While automatics are getting smarter and smarter, theres nothing like being in an automatic and going around a corner and the car thinking it is smart puts the car into 6th gear because you are off the pedal.

Huh? My car holds on to gears for dear life in drive sports. It takes into account breaking to downshift for me and if I coast for a bit it won't change gears period.
 
Now for the reason I'm replying to your post, I can get a dual clutch transmission in a Golf for christ sake..BMW also has dual clutch transmissions and mercedes has had them for years (albeit their not the best). DCTs exist at almost any price range now...

The question is, are all dual clutch transmissions created equal?

Baltothewolf

xiiMaRcLeoN
Here in Germany we have mostly, if not always, manual cars never saw a guy with an automatic car. I have an old Mercedes Benz 180E, has half a million km down on the car, it's a Diesel.

I LOVE diesel engines so much. I wish they would do away with gas engines all together and go all diesel. The economy, and torque you get along with the less work to actually refine it makes it a much more logical fuel source. Gas is good for racing, diesel is better at everything else.

 
I would prefer to use jet fuel personally.

Manual : it means something !!!
I love manual

bill1024

Baltothewolf

Halo_003

Baltothewolf

xiiMaRcLeoN
Here in Germany we have mostly, if not always, manual cars never saw a guy with an automatic car. I have an old Mercedes Benz 180E, has half a million km down on the car, it's a Diesel.

I LOVE diesel engines so much. I wish they would do away with gas engines all together and go all diesel. The economy, and torque you get along with the less work to actually refine it makes it a much more logical fuel source. Gas is good for racing, diesel is better at everything else.

 
I would prefer to use jet fuel personally.

Jet fuel is not even logical to use in a car based system, why would you run a jet system in a car? Jet tech is only needed in high weight scenarios.

Jet fuel has a high octane rating, so you can have high boost or high compression with out detonation.

I know the little RC cars something similar, like 110 octane no? Still, for everyday use there is no point.
 

kaninja

Halo_003

Baltothewolf

xiiMaRcLeoN
Here in Germany we have mostly, if not always, manual cars never saw a guy with an automatic car. I have an old Mercedes Benz 180E, has half a million km down on the car, it's a Diesel.

I LOVE diesel engines so much. I wish they would do away with gas engines all together and go all diesel. The economy, and torque you get along with the less work to actually refine it makes it a much more logical fuel source. Gas is good for racing, diesel is better at everything else.

 
I would prefer to use jet fuel personally.

In a typical gasoline engine jet fuel will leave you stranded with a stalled engine on the side of the road. You can run jet fuel in a diesel engine but you would need to add a lubricant to the mix as jet fuel doesn't have the lubricating properties of diesel.

I am with Balto.....need more diesel engines! The new Grand Cherokee 3.0 diesel gets almost 750 miles per tank and and has a sweet 8 speed transmission....Auto transmission!

How many gallons is the tank? I can almost go that far in my insight on a 10 gallon tank.

bill1024
Jet fuel has a high octane rating, so you can have high boost or high compression with out detonation.
They used to mix it in the old days, now they sell better products by the barrel to mix race gas like cam2.

Can't use jet fuel in anything but a turbine engine or compression ignition engine. I think you mean avgas.

Baltothewolf

xiiMaRcLeoN
Here in Germany we have mostly, if not always, manual cars never saw a guy with an automatic car. I have an old Mercedes Benz 180E, has half a million km down on the car, it's a Diesel.

I LOVE diesel engines so much. I wish they would do away with gas engines all together and go all diesel. The economy, and torque you get along with the less work to actually refine it makes it a much more logical fuel source. Gas is good for racing, diesel is better at everything else.

The problem is that they are "very bad" for the environment and are completely unreliable after put on life support with all the smog stuff.  The new US diesels are cursed with repeated trips back to the dealership within the first 100,000 miles due to the turbo, afterburner, or egr system plugging up, check engine lights, limp mode, ...
They used to be reliable and last forever.  Those were the days my friend.

BaltothewolfJet fuel is not even logical to use in a car based system, why would you run a jet system in a car? Jet tech is only needed in high weight scenarios.

Jet-A is pretty much kerosene or #1 diesel.  Very similar to diesel but with fewer BTUs.  I have no idea why Halo said he would rather use Jet-A instead of diesel.  Diesel has more BTUs.

LOL that Jeep grand cherokee is a total joke!

kaninja

gravedigger78
LOL that Jeep grand cherokee is a total joke!

Why? I drove one and it was amazing. Quiet, smooth, amazingly solid feeling, great power, nice interior. While I only see maybe 1% of owners doing anything even remotely close to what was in that video, you have to admit that it is times more capable off road than 99% of other suv's off the showroom floor.

I do like the Jeep.  Only because of the Eco diesel.  I think Jeep and Toyota are the only ones really making SUVs anymore.  I know that as far as "SUVs" go it is more off roadable than most.  I do not think it is as capable as a 4runner, but the 4runner is asking a ridiculously high price. Everything else is basically a crossover or a glutenous station wagon truck hybrid.  The joke is how refined the Jeep has because for everything but off roading.
I have been to moab in a stock 1996 4runner, stock 1952 willys Jeep, and a stock 1978 Toyota Landcruiser that I put a power steering box on.  I would respect the Cherokee more if it has Body on Frame with a straight rear axle.  
Also, this goes for every manufacturer, I want to buy an SUV that does not have stupid bumpers and side skirts that reach almost all the way to the ground.  What makes me sad about Jeep is they used to make cheap fun weekend warrior type vehicles... and now they have $50k+ luxury vehicles that are stamped Trail Rated so you feel adventurous and fun during your midlife crisis. The last Jeep I had was a 2008 Grand Cherokee Laredo with the 3.7L.  It broke in less than 40k miles.  The 4x4 modes would not activate.  My new SUV has a manual transfer case so I no longer have such problem.
 
So all in all I have a love hate with Jeep.  I think most Jeep models should have just been made as Dodges or Chryslers.  They should have just made specialized off road and utility vehicles like the old ones.   

'15 john cooper works mini
Auto 6.1 0-62
Manual 6.3


http://www.TOPGEAR.com/uk...-cooper-jcw-2014-12-11

Really didn't expect hot hactches to make the switch that fast

I like my mazda 3. Its gets good  MPG just running regular unleaded gas as you can see in the pic down below. Its because of that skyactiv engine they have. That high compression ratio for the car does wonders. It has a 14 to 1 compression ratio.  I can go 540 miles on a 13 gallon tank.  I average about 33mpg driving in the city from 17mph-30mph. The trans and chassis of the car is also skyactiv as well. Lighter chassis saves weight of course and the trans helps with shift points to save on fuel.  But I am with Balto as well. I like diesel cars because more MPG and torque. I dont care about horsepower because most of the time I wont be able to full throttle and reach my top speed. I rather have that get up and go with torque instead. Also with more torque you can tow more things. But lets not forget your drive shaft has to be able to handle the towing capacity too. Bad thing about diesel is that engines are more expensive to fix, some cities/small towns do not offer diesel at their pumps, and if you live in the country areas in Texas diesel cost A LOT. 
 

 
 

bill1024
Good reason to drive a stick shift.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us...ift/?intcmp=latestnews

I own a Porsche, they can't steal it.

wrinvert

kram36

bill1024
Good reason to drive a stick shift.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us...ift/?intcmp=latestnews

I own a Porsche, they can't steal it.

lol, can't and wouldn't waste their time are two different things. And yes your car can be stolen just as easy as the cheapest honda.

They can not steal my car by driving it away. There are plenty of thieves that would love to steal my car. The prices of Porsche parts would make it a very lucrative venture. Hard to steel because of the alarm/immobilizers and key technology. Only way to steal it would be to drill a hole threw the hood into the battery to kill the alarm, then they would have to tow the car away. Not as easy as the cheapest Honda.

wrinvert

kram36

wrinvert

kram36

bill1024
Good reason to drive a stick shift.

http://www.foxnews.com/us...ift/?intcmp=latestnews

I own a Porsche, they can't steal it.

lol, can't and wouldn't waste their time are two different things. And yes your car can be stolen just as easy as the cheapest honda.

They can not steal my car by driving it away. There are plenty of thieves that would love to steal my car. The prices of Porsche parts would make it a very lucrative venture. Hard to steel because of the alarm/immobilizers and key technology. Only way to steal it would be to drill a hole threw the hood into the battery to kill the alarm, then they would have to tow the car away. Not as easy as the cheapest Honda.

I don't how dragging your tin can away on a dolly kit is any harder then doing the same to any other junk box. but again who would waste their time on a girls car, they would be to embarrassed to sell the parts event on craigslist.

Oh my goodness you are sooooooo funny lololololol.

Baltothewolf

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
I like my mazda 3. Its gets good  MPG just running regular unleaded gas as you can see in the pic down below. Its because of that skyactiv engine they have. That high compression ratio for the car does wonders. It has a 14 to 1 compression ratio.  I can go 540 miles on a 13 gallon tank.  I average about 33mpg driving in the city from 17mph-30mph. The trans and chassis of the car is also skyactiv as well. Lighter chassis saves weight of course and the trans helps with shift points to save on fuel.  But I am with Balto as well. I like diesel cars because more MPG and torque. I dont care about horsepower because most of the time I wont be able to full throttle and reach my top speed. I rather have that get up and go with torque instead. Also with more torque you can tow more things. But lets not forget your drive shaft has to be able to handle the towing capacity too. Bad thing about diesel is that engines are more expensive to fix, some cities/small towns do not offer diesel at their pumps, and if you live in the country areas in Texas diesel cost A LOT. 
 

 
 

Cute, on less than 10 gallons, doing 70-75 with about 3 hours of stop and go traffic in the rain. :P

Iirc with the right driving, you can get 65+ with the Mazda3.

Wow you get more than a hybrid car as I do too. Last time I checked the 2014 Ford Fusion hybrid gets both 43 city and 41 highway with an average of 42. We must take in consideration that is a mid size sedan and not a compact car like my Mazda or your space ship. But the reason why you get more than me is because your car only has like 90 horsepower. My car has 155 horsepower and 150 torque. Your car is also lighter too by like 400 pounds if I can recall.