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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 04:07:31 (permalink)
Having driven the 3x types of transmissions (Manual, Auto, CVT), I found each have there pluses & minuses in daily driving.  I actually prefer the manual myself as it gives me a better feel and control over the vehicle.  They also tend to last longer than automatics with the clutch only needing by replaced every 100-150k miles (depends on driving condition).  Though they can be a challenge when towing a boat up the ramp unless you have a 4x4 low system equipped.  Automatics make daily driving seem easier as the driver doesn't need to think about planned shifts when merging on the highway.  Automatics also make it easier to tow as they have the advantage of disconnecting the lock-up for added engine power, though got to be careful of trans temps or you can cook it.  CVT are a bit of an odd ball to me.  Not having shifts is a weird feeling.  But they do seamlessly push the vehicle along.  Best thing about CVT is that they are able to keep the engine rpm at maximum power or torque for best acceleration, though take offs do feel a bit rubber band like.  Unlike the other two transmission, CVT are not built to be used for towing.  They can, but not at weights of 5,000lbs, more like 1,500lbs or less.  While I will drive a CVT in normal mode, the pedal shifters I find quite useful in hilly terrain.  If I need to engine brake with a CVT, I just hit the downshift once, the CVT goes into manual mode, and gives me increased engine braking.  When I then give it some throttle, the CVT resumes normal operations.

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 04:37:28 (permalink)
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 04:54:33 (permalink)
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It also depends on where you live though. I don't think I could daily a manual in Los Angeles. I love WOT and when you need to brake every minute... ugh... downshifting.


This is an extremely good point. I don't mind it because I don't spend every day in L.A traffic, but now that I think about it, I would want an auto if I lived somewhere with so much traffic.

There is a lot of talk about CVT's. I personally prefer standard auto over CVT. The only CVT I have driven is a CVT insight (2004) and I didn't like it. Also from my knowledge, CVT'S are extremely expensive to fix when they go bad. Way more then normal auto trannies. I could be wrong, so correct me if I am.
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 05:25:34 (permalink)
IDK people talking about wanting an auto in traffic, why? Most autos I've driven are always in the wrong gear when I want power, driving a manual in traffic is nice because of the immediate power response. Then there's the maintenance, my car has never needed any work on the transmission. In the next 50K or so miles I'll need a new clutch and it won't be hard to do.  
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 05:48:33 (permalink)
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IDK people talking about wanting an auto in traffic, why? Most autos I've driven are always in the wrong gear when I want power, driving a manual in traffic is nice because of the immediate power response. Then there's the maintenance, my car has never needed any work on the transmission. In the next 50K or so miles I'll need a new clutch and it won't be hard to do.  



You get lazier as you get older. I used to swear I'd only drive a manual my entire life. I'm 30 now, and the daily slog to drive to work would be so much more relaxing with an auto.

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 06:12:34 (permalink)
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IDK people talking about wanting an auto in traffic, why? Most autos I've driven are always in the wrong gear when I want power, driving a manual in traffic is nice because of the immediate power response. Then there's the maintenance, my car has never needed any work on the transmission. In the next 50K or so miles I'll need a new clutch and it won't be hard to do.  



You get lazier as you get older. I used to swear I'd only drive a manual my entire life. I'm 30 now, and the daily slog to drive to work would be so much more relaxing with an auto.


It's not all about laziness either. There are times I wish the Mustang was running, because my back gets so bad it's extremely painful to drive the insight around due to having to push the clutch.

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 06:13:51 (permalink)
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IDK people talking about wanting an auto in traffic, why? Most autos I've driven are always in the wrong gear when I want power, driving a manual in traffic is nice because of the immediate power response. Then there's the maintenance, my car has never needed any work on the transmission. In the next 50K or so miles I'll need a new clutch and it won't be hard to do.  



You get lazier as you get older. I used to swear I'd only drive a manual my entire life. I'm 30 now, and the daily slog to drive to work would be so much more relaxing with an auto.


I don't notice a difference (in terms of relaxation) other then I keep putting my hand on the shifter when I'm in an auto.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 08:04:33 (permalink)
I drive an automatic Civic 4 door. I like it more than a manual because for me it's not a race car, no fart can etc. It's just right now a means of travel and that's okay. For a simple usage car like this, I'd rather have an automatic.
 
When I trade it in in a couple of years for an Exige S, I plan to get the IPS model. Because it seems to me... Tradition would dictate getting the stick model, while if in pursuit of speed you'd get the fastest model available and learn to use it well, which now is a flappy paddle setup.
 
If we're talking about a show and tell weekend warrior at the track, I could see (myself) getting a manual.

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 08:35:32 (permalink)
My wife and I prefer manual.  My first car, used 65 Falcon, was a three speed, column shift (dating myself).  However my last two pickups were automatic as you can not get a manual trans anymore, though my wife's cars are still manual.  I think a lot of this is being driven by manufacturers trying to meet their CAFE numbers.  Another point about manual trans is that they are a great theft deterrent option.


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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 09:28:11 (permalink)
Automatic > manual any day of the week. The automatic Z is faster than the manual, seriously any time he shifts my car pulls on him, otherwise he'd keep up. And a manual gets lesser gas mileage now than automatics. Im sorry but the days of old with a man transmission are done.
 
Look at all the high end mfg, no one puts a manual in their top performer.


  


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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 09:58:01 (permalink)
I had the 6 speed manual in my 2014 challenger and now I have the 8 speed auto in my 2015 with the 392 motor.

There's no comparison. The auto spanks the manual in every conceivable way. There's no loss of power between shifts and it has been shown to beat the manual every time.

I don't miss the manual at all. It wasn't the religious experience for me, that it is for others.

It's all personal preference.


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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 10:10:21 (permalink)
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It also depends on where you live though. I don't think I could daily a manual in Los Angeles. I love WOT and when you need to brake every minute... ugh... downshifting.


I drove my WS6 through downtown Toronto during rush hour, I don't mind downshifting at all compared to repeatedly getting it in gear just to crawl 5 feet.  It took me two hours to drive 10 miles lol


I hate down shifting I am am to lazy for that. Its too much work IMO. What I learned was when coming to a red light or stop sign for example, what I do is pop it in neutral and coast. Once I am at a complete stop at the light or stop sign, I then pop it into 1st gear.




That's what I do too when I drive my friends GT and that's how I drove demonik5150's Cobra.


Yup, you can also think of it as saving a little bit of life on your clutch and throwout bearing too!  ;)  Brakes cost less than a clutch, so why not lol

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 10:41:47 (permalink)
Gotta say for me its manual everything. I also despise cars that have electronically activated throttle bodies. Cable from pedal to plate or don't bother. I cry when I see the throttle response on some of these new cars that are all electronic. You can actually mash the accelerator to the floor, hold it for a bit let it back up and the car has just started to rev up by the time your foot is totally off the pedal.

Our hemi has a conversion that got rid of the throttle body with the electronic actuator. Throttle response if phenomenally better with the mechanical throttle body.

I have also had bad experiences with autotragics failing on every car the family has had with the exception of the explorer. Where as the only manual that failed was the vw TDI that had the dual mass flywheel destruct going down the interstate. Aside from that, had to replace the clutch in the wrangler at 220k.
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 10:58:27 (permalink)
You guys are looking at a lot of this all wrong! Think about the longevity! Manual transmissions tend to be more robust and when they do brake they are way easier to fix. Autos are heavier and more complicated so when things go wrong it either gets expensive or gets scrapped. 
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 10:58:29 (permalink)
As long as my car has a DSG, im good. The efficiency of a manual, the speed of automatic, actually its faster than an auto. Germany FTW as usual.
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 11:05:57 (permalink)
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You guys are looking at a lot of this all wrong! Think about the longevity! Manual transmissions tend to be more robust and when they do brake they are way easier to fix. Autos are heavier and more complicated so when things go wrong it either gets expensive or gets scrapped. 


Yup, heavier, slower, more complicated, more expensive to fix, don't last as long, and give you less control over your vehicle. I'd rather lose a few mpg and then get all the negatives.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 11:25:58 (permalink)
You haven't driven manual until you've driven a vintage car with a non syncro (crashbox) transmission.


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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 11:27:08 (permalink)
It never ceases to amaze me how much misinformation appears in threads such as these.

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 11:28:50 (permalink)
I know people claim modern autos get better gas mileage, but I always beat the estimated MPG when I drive real light in mine.
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 11:37:03 (permalink)
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I know people claim modern autos get better gas mileage, but I always beat the estimated MPG when I drive real light in mine.


That's the problem with auto vs manual, the auto estimated MPG is pretty much what you're gonna get, where as a manual can get varying mpg based on when you shift and how much you coast. You can also, more easily, use the engine to brake you car which cuts down on wear on the pads and rotor.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 12:00:24 (permalink)
I tried Auto for a while (started with a manual tranny at 15)...it was ok..but lacked response imo..
 
Manual came back to me..and that's where I'll stay...to each their own though...
 
 
 

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 12:08:32 (permalink)
Sorry for the double post, but I just got done looking at the "other" thread that got locked...  just facepalm for everyone involved.  Back to reality this "debate" if you can call it that is less than interesting or informative.
I think we could create more meritable responses if we recognize or determine when a manual transmission is better vs an automatic transmission and vice versa depending on the situation. 
 
I will start:
 
My brother is a rancher in the middle of nowhere.  He has a Mercedes-Benz Unimog 416.  The way he uses that truck as his all around farm/tractor, truck, desert explorer, and utility vehicle, it could not be an automatic transmission. Different gears in different extreme off road situations would be impossible for the car to "predict" how it should operate the transmission. I spent an entire December helping him renovate some of his sheds/buildings and you would be amazed at what that old Unimog can do. We crawled over loose dirt/earth going uphill while carrying a few thousand pounds worth of materials. So he tried 3rd gear on low range and when the tires started slipping he shifted into the crawler gears and when with 3rd, then ended up going down to the 2nd crawler gear to get us up the hill.  
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 12:10:44 (permalink)
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It never ceases to amaze me how much misinformation appears in threads such as these.

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I was thinking the same thing.

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 13:28:57 (permalink)
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You guys are looking at a lot of this all wrong! Think about the longevity! Manual transmissions tend to be more robust and when they do brake they are way easier to fix. Autos are heavier and more complicated so when things go wrong it either gets expensive or gets scrapped. 


Yup, heavier, slower, more complicated, more expensive to fix, don't last as long, and give you less control over your vehicle. I'd rather lose a few mpg and then get all the negatives.
 



Faster, same control, lasts just as long with proper maintenance and you don't have to change the clutch every 80-120k miles
 
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Automatic > manual any day of the week. The automatic Z is faster than the manual, seriously any time he shifts my car pulls on him, otherwise he'd keep up. And a manual gets lesser gas mileage now than automatics. Im sorry but the days of old with a man transmission are done.
 
Look at all the high end mfg, no one puts a manual in their top performer.


 
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 13:37:02 (permalink)
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 Faster, same control, lasts just as long with proper maintenance and you don't have to change the clutch every 80-120k miles
 



 

 
Or change the clutch at 240k miles but whatever..
 
As with anything the misinformation in this thread is more due to blanket statements when things are way more case sensitive.
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 14:07:09 (permalink)
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You haven't driven manual until you've driven a vintage car with a non syncro (crashbox) transmission.


My dad's 52 Willys was so weird to drive because it was non synchronized.  I thought it was cool and all but his Volkswagen Thing was more fun to me even if it was less utilitarian.  I think I was just afraid of wrecking the Willys because it just didn't feel smooth to shift.  I guess I thought I was grinding the gears during normal operation or something.  If I wrecked one of my dad's vehicles I would have had a butt whooping.  
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 15:22:10 (permalink)
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I could care less what he thinks and Flappy Paddle Gearboxes shift faster then he can shift a stick on his best day. He's old and set in his ways. The younger guy on Top Gear has more smarts then him.




Don't matter anyway because even he likes them now.
 
 
Also I would rather have a manual but it is nice to at least be able to select which gear I am in and when it shifts. So I can drop to 2nd if I need to pass some tard doin 20 under when needed
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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 15:38:17 (permalink)
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I really like that, If it had some more rubber surface on it I would put some in my vehicle.
 

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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 16:02:49 (permalink)
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You haven't driven manual until you've driven a vintage car with a non syncro (crashbox) transmission.


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Re: Auto vs Manual Transmisions 2014/12/08 17:11:29 (permalink)
If I was a commuter who was frequently in stop and go traffic I would want an Automatic.
If I was an F1 driver I would want one of those fancy double clutch auto thingys.
When I am off roading I wouldn't trade my Manual trans trucks for the world.
My daily driver would have to be a manual.  It is just to much fun. I will always be in the gear I want to be in.
 
Oh yeah and I love when the EPA disclosure says "actual mileage will vary" which basically means "our estimates are completely inaccurate".  For those who say autos get better gas mileage than manuals nowadays, I am skeptical.  I know for some it will be true but those cars are few and far between.
 
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